All of Paul's songs are about Bill

[keithm0on]

I've come to the realization that almost every song Paul McCartney has wrote is about him and Bill. Here are a few examples.

A Hard Day's Night - Bill has had a hard day's night pretending to be Paul.

All My Loving - Bill has all of Paul's loving for helping him get out of the spotlight.

I'll Follow The Sun - The time has come for Paul to go, and although he'll lose his friends, Bill now has the chance to become famous.

You Won't See Me - You won't see Paul because he secretly quit the band.

I'm Looking Through You - Seems to be a song of jealousy. Perhaps Paul was angry that Bill now had the love of his fans?

Your Mother Should Know - May have been a song about keeping the families and Bill and Paul quiet about the replacements.

The Fool on the Hill - Paul is following the Beatles closely, but nobody notices him because they're focused on Bill.

Back in the USSR - Paul decides to return to the Beatles.

Birthday - A song about Paul and Bill sharing the same lives. "THEY SAY IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY. WELL IT'S MY BIRTHDAY TOO, YEAH?"

I Will - I Will...return to the Beatles. Paul's ode to his follow bandmates. "Who knows how long I've loved you? Do you know I love you still?"

Honey Pie - The woman in the song is actually a man, Bill. Paul is singing about watching Bill play with the Beatles, and his decision to return.

All Together Now - A cheerful reunion song. The Beatles are all together now.

You Never Give Me Your Money - Still not sure about this one. Either the money the Beatles made off Paul's lyrics went to Bill, or money is actually a metaphor for fame.

Carry That Weight - The weight Bill had to carry when he was Paul.

It continued on into Wings, when Paul and Bill decided to work together.

Band On The Run - Paul and Bill are on the run from people finding out about them.

Jet - May have been a song about either Bill or Paul telling their families the plan to replace McCartney, and their initial resistance.

Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five - Nobody believed the Beatles could get away with replacing Paul, but he knew Bill could do it. Title could be a reference to George Orwell's book, 1984, where reality is changed on a daily basis by the government.

Too Many People - ...know that there are two McCartneys. I think Paul and/or Bill were nervous about being discovered at this point for some reason.

No More Lonely Nights - A song about Paul's friendship with Bill. He'll have no more lonely nights thanks to him, because they both know the pressure of being Paul McCartney.

With A Little Luck - ...we can both be McCartney without the public finding out!" Again, Paul or Bill seemed to be nervous around this time.

Picasso's Last Words (Drink To Me) - Unsure about this one, but I believe it's about Bill having to adopt the habits of Paul to fool people. He may have had to quit a bad habit or two to fit the role. "You know I can't drink anymore..."

Ever Present Past - Written by Bill, maybe? It seems to be about the confusion of living two lives. "The things I think I did when I was a kid."

And so on and so forth. Am I right, guys? MIRITE?

[overdude]

NOYORNOTRITEATALL -

I truly hope you didn't spend a significant portion of your time in order to reach your conclusions... And I'm honestly not trying to be mean here... But if you did, to me, it would seem that your time was unwisely squandered.

That's just my take on this thread; but, something tells me that the vast majority of the old-timers still lurking around here would tend to agree with me.

[keithm0on]

Oct 12, 2009 22:52:33 GMT -5 overdude said:

NOYORNOTRITEATALL -

I truly hope you didn't spend a significant portion of your time in order to reach your conclusions... And I'm honestly not trying to be mean here... But if you did, to me, it would seem that your time was unwisely squandered.

That's just my take on this thread; but, something tells me that the vast majority of the old-timers still lurking around here would tend to agree with me.

What's wrong, Overdude? Too...DEEP for you?

Hello Goodbye - Another song about Bill's confusion of living two lives.

Do You Want To Know A Secret - ...Paul is going to be replaced by Bill soon!"

Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey - Bill lived in Kansas City before the Beatles dropped in to say Hey, and invite him to replace Paul.

[B]

keithm0on wrote:
Birthday - A song about Paul and Bill sharing the same lives. "THEY SAY IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY. WELL IT'S MY BIRTHDAY TOO, YEAH?"

Or about Paul and Faul being fraternal twins, or brothers, sharing the same birthday.
Or perhaps Faul and Aleister Crowley sharing a birthday (possibly).

I think that in some cases, you are right keithm0on, but in most, not entirely or not at all.
Don't be discouraged though; you're somewhat "in the ball park" as they say, imo.
Most of the songs go much deeper than what you've suggested though, imo.
"Jet" for example, alludes to the "djed" of Ancient Egypt, and the marraige of two of the gods of the
Upper and Lower kingdoms.
Faul is telling you that he is ancient. "I go back so far, I'm in front of me", as he says in one song.
He's suggesting that you do too.
These songs are about Paul and Faul in a way, but they go much deeper. They're about understanding
that civilization as we've known for the past 4000 years is coming to completion, and
a different age is about to begin.

[overdude]

No, not too deep... Just too... ummmm wrong???

I wasn't trying to start some sort of argument, nor will I be participating in one beyond the conclusion of this post.

There is deep, there is wrong; and, there is deeply wrong.

Right now, while your brain is racing toward your next "deep, relevant" example to use in a response to this post, I urge you to stop and at least first consider consulting some documentation outside of your own head...

I'm, of course, referencing your response to my first post on this thread...

Just because Paul McCartney recorded and/or performed a song - like... oh, let's say "Kansas City" - it shouldn't lead one to conclude that naturally, he MUST have written it.

Continuing from there... coming up with the clever idea to combine "Kansas City" with "Hey Hey Hey" to create a "medley" also shouldn't mean that it was actually his clever idea in the first place.

If you're interested, which you might not be since it would show how far off the mark your interpretation actually is, you can read more here:
www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1174

I do respect your efforts and ideas, and also appreciate you presenting them for all to scrutinize; but, understand that by posting them here, scrutinized they shall be... especially when they seem to be pushing the PID/PWR concept not just beyond the scope of possibility, but firmly into the realm of the utterly ridiculous.

[plastic paul]

Deep? I'm afraid not, those meanings are by no means profound or deeply meaningful. They are obvious and pure speculation. Referring to songs that far predate the suggested time of a replacement isn't really relevant and you could transfer your analysis to any song by anyone.

JMO

[JoJo]

I suspect satire, as an "old timer" who has seen his share of Maccafunhose pranks.. Not saying this is that, only what it looks like. (to me)

[keithm0on]

I know the fact that I only have a few posts adds leverage to the fact this may be a joke post, but it's not. I dead serious about all this. Some of these songs are so abstract that PID explanations are the only answer.

[Doc]

I tend not to agree with the central premise here, no offense. I just don't believe that it's
all--about--Bill. It isn't a story about a substitute, or a replacement, or a stand in or a mail order poseur. It's not a tale about a military coup inside of a rock band. It isn't a giant conspiracy about a record company, a foreign empire in the throes of poverty and a notion of plugging in a look-a-like impostor fake-along doppleganger. It's not about respective talent or competitive edge or who's more popular and who misses the limelight or who sang a better high "C" last week.

It's about handling a sensitive issue and looking out for a nation, and it's people. It's about two very talented men who had their roles to play for the greater good. There may be a fine line between them, but it's all world's apart from any sort of cheap rivalry.

Oh, there may be elements of conspiracy here, small ones, a very small conspiracy, not a giant one like the Moon and JFK or even "Rose's Law Firm" (which still goes completely over my head) but a mom and pop style operation, very family, and very pro nationalistic.
(Not as American in feel as others...) but, even so, and yes, there may be a cheap innuendo here and there (I live for cheap innuendo) but still, all in all, to be so below board, it's really rather above board.

[8749]

Oct 15, 2009 0:27:05 GMT -5 Doc said:

I tend not to agree with the central premise here, no offense. I just don't believe that it's
all--about--Bill. It isn't a story about a substitute, or a replacement, or a stand in or a mail order poseur. It's not a tale about a military coup inside of a rock band. It isn't a giant conspiracy about a record company, a foreign empire in the throes of poverty and a notion of plugging in a look-a-like impostor fake-along doppleganger. It's not about respective talent or competitive edge or who's more popular and who misses the limelight or who sang a better high "C" last week.

It's about handling a sensitive issue and looking out for a nation, and it's people. It's about two very talented men who had their roles to play for the greater good. There may be a fine line between them, but it's all world's apart from any sort of cheap rivalry.

Oh, there may be elements of conspiracy here, small ones, a very small conspiracy, not a giant one like the Moon and JFK or even "Rose's Law Firm" (which still goes completely over my head) but a mom and pop style operation, very family, and very pro nationalistic.
(Not as American in feel as others...) but, even so, and yes, there may be a cheap innuendo here and there (I live for cheap innuendo) but still, all in all, to be so below board, it's really rather above board.

Prove it.

[plastic paul]

Come on buddy, I've tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt but the ambiguity of some of your posts really miss the mark.

I'm still a little unsure as to what you're getting at 8749, but regardless, I think it's about time that you practiced what you preach.

[B]

Doc is our court jester, but don't dismiss what he writes out of hand; a lot of it is spot on.

[ph0neyprophet]

He's got alot of good points except for the songs that were pre-1964..

Wasn't PID post-66?

Sure the points are good, but if you can't find the evidence where it's supposed to be, you shouldn't look where it's definately not.

[Doc]

Oct 15, 2009 15:47:51 GMT -5 @8749 said:

Oct 15, 2009 0:27:05 GMT -5 Doc said:

I tend not to agree with the central premise here, no offense. I just don't believe that it's
all--about--Bill. It isn't a story about a substitute, or a replacement, or a stand in or a mail order poseur. It's not a tale about a military coup inside of a rock band. It isn't a giant conspiracy about a record company, a foreign empire in the throes of poverty and a notion of plugging in a look-a-like impostor fake-along doppleganger. It's not about respective talent or competitive edge or who's more popular and who misses the limelight or who sang a better high "C" last week.

It's about handling a sensitive issue and looking out for a nation, and it's people. It's about two very talented men who had their roles to play for the greater good. There may be a fine line between them, but it's all world's apart from any sort of cheap rivalry.

Oh, there may be elements of conspiracy here, small ones, a very small conspiracy, not a giant one like the Moon and JFK or even "Rose's Law Firm" (which still goes completely over my head) but a mom and pop style operation, very family, and very pro nationalistic.
(Not as American in feel as others...) but, even so, and yes, there may be a cheap innuendo here and there (I live for cheap innuendo) but still, all in all, to be so below board, it's really rather above board.

Prove it.

I've got no proof and I've got no evidence of anything--only my presumably "informed" opinion, if, hanging around and posting and reading for 5 years makes me at least 5 years informed then, pace my fellow board members, I declare my opinion as valid as at least some others.

Maybe no more than a handful of people ever knew, a small enough number to put at an average cocktail party or even a dinner table. IMO. Better to keep it small.

Above board? Oh, I think Ringo and Bill made peace with it all years ago. Probably George too and Sir Geo., and Neil and others. This seems clear from their persistent demeanor in interviews, etc. John, though, before his untimely and stupid death had some interesting moments of conscience, it seems, but perhaps over much deeper affairs than Paul/Bill/Chucky/Whoever. He was worried about war, hypocrisies, lying politicians, and society lying to itself but PID or PWR was no match for "Give Peace a Chance."

McCartney I and McCartney II are (were) both very very talented musicians and more and no debate there.

If James Paul wanted out after some tragic inconvenience (death or not) then, why not?

Has it harmed anyone? No. Have some people made some money? Yes. Is that a "shanda"? Not to me.

Would Britain have faced hardship had William not come on board?
They would have survived losing Paul, for whatever reason, but it's standard operations in show business to continue the show with new personnel when necessary.
So, it was above board.

If Margaret Thatcher had been replaced as Prime Minister by a doppleganger that would have been highly irregular and a dangerous precedent to set.

ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070630142954AAaOWFh

Regarding this topic, "All of Paul's songs are about Bill", after some thought, I realize this is a valid point of view because we are talking about art here. The music of the Beatle's is art, and IMO that means that it is going to impact each person differently.
Everyone is entitled to formulate and express their impressions about the Beatle's music. For you and me and keithm0on these will be 3 different things. While I agree that FOR ME "Hello-Goodbye"'s lyrics contain flagrant allusions to the Paul/Bill switch, that may not have been intended when it was recording, though I don't see how it wasn't at least a passing thought at the time....
Some of keith's other analyses seem far afield, IMO, but that doesn't mean he doesn't
get that from those songs. Admittedly, more than a couple remind me of certain
"swipes" made at us here in the past by seasoned PIA'ers, but is that the case or
just my imagination?

I shall grant benefit of the doubt (not that anyone requires it) but just to say, fine, these are another way of sincerely looking at these songs, just an epiphenomenon of our subject matter so long discussed---even if a line or two reeks of a certain hellkite from a forum that shall go unnamed at this juncture..... that's conincidence not keithmo0n's
agenda.

I've taken the heteroclete path before----I'd a hypocrite to not admit it.
And I'm an admitted opsimath and a frequent lichnobyte so whaddo-I-know?

It won't be the first EPI-phenomenon we've seen here!

keithmo0m--hang around and keep posting. You have shown that you can take a premise and apply it thoroughly. To find the truth, maybe compare it to the anti-premise....... just a thought. It will keep us challenged, from becoming hebetudinous.

Forgive the verbosity. Just a symptom. Not the cause.

[SS]

A scarecrow needs a two-dimensional blue triangle to read those big words, Doc. If I only had a brain. Do you suggest a dictionary or La Gnose to look up heteroclete?

[SS]

Every deck of cards has two jokers. Seems like Judy Collins should be singing "Send in the Clowns" now.

Song dedicated to the forum for the show that never ends.



Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!
There behind a glass is a real blade of grass
be careful as you pass.
Move along! Move along!

Come inside, the show's about to start
guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....

Right before your eyes we pull laughter from the skies
And he laughs until he cries then he dies then he dies
Come inside the shows about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart

You gotta see the show
It's a dynamo
You gotta see the show
It's rock and roll


Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of Vaseline
Will perform on guillotine
What a scene! What a scene!
Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand
to Alexander's Ragtime Band
Roll up! Roll up! Roll up!
See the show!

Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool
Seven virgins and a mule
Keep it cool. Keep it cool.
We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown
were exclusively our own,
All our own. All our own.
Come and see the show! Come and see the show! Come and see the show!
See the show!

[JS2]

Keithmo0n, you look fit.

Is it all those stretches you've been doing?

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Oct 16, 2009 8:16:24 GMT -5 SS said:

Every deck of cards has two jokers. Seems like Judy Collins should be singing "Send in the Clowns" now.

Song dedicated to the forum for the show that never ends.



Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!
There behind a glass is a real blade of grass
be careful as you pass.
Move along! Move along!

Come inside, the show's about to start
guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....

Right before your eyes we pull laughter from the skies
And he laughs until he cries then he dies then he dies
Come inside the shows about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart

You gotta see the show
It's a dynamo
You gotta see the show
It's rock and roll


Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of Vaseline
Will perform on guillotine
What a scene! What a scene!
Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand
to Alexander's Ragtime Band
Roll up! Roll up! Roll up!
See the show!

Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool
Seven virgins and a mule
Keep it cool. Keep it cool.
We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown
were exclusively our own,
All our own. All our own.
Come and see the show! Come and see the show! Come and see the show!
See the show!

This song's been discussed here before, but it's worth noting a few things:

"There behind a glass is a real blade of grass
be careful as you pass.
Move along! Move along!"

The lunatic is on the grass...

"guaranteed to blow your head apart"

He blew his mind out...

"You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo"

And the crimson dynamo just couldn't cut it no more...

"Roll up! Roll up! Roll up!"

And as a drummer, I MUST mention that Carl Palmer COOKED!

[SS]

That is exactly what I meant, the show that never ends....

So, in the spirit of all that is this one. Someone once said there is nothing new under the sun. This proves it.



So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
And cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk on part in the war,
For a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

[8749]

Oct 15, 2009 18:11:42 GMT -5 plastic paul said:

Come on buddy, I've tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt but the ambiguity of some of your posts really miss the mark.

I'm still a little unsure as to what you're getting at 8749, but regardless, I think it's about time that you practiced what you preach.

I'm not being sarcastic plastic paul when I say there's nothing ambiguous about "prove it." Doc has come up with a blowsy little theory that real Paul gladly stepped aside for group and country from a massively successful career. Does that make sense? Paul said in a Newsweek article of March 21, 1966 that I quoted on the board that he thought in terms of writing for 40 more years, but that he'd "hate to be a white-haired Beatle playing at Empress Stadium." And when The Beatles were interviewed in Detroit in 1964 Paul said 3 times that even after the group disbanded he felt he and John would carry on songwriting. [The interview is at www.keenerpodcast.com under Airchecks: "Beatles in America" at 9:20-9:26, 13:43-13:45, and 13:52-13:57.]
Was he a white-haired old man in 1966? He enjoyed being a showman according to Barry Miles' book, In The Sixties. He was consistently polite and appreciative of his fans.
So the idea is: what would cause him to step away from music stardom? Doc's theory doesn't hold up.

[8749]

And to quote Doc, "They would have survived losing Paul, for whatever reason, but it's standard operations in show business to continue the show with new personnel when necessary. So, it was above board."
If it had been necessary to replace Paul, and they were honest and told the world public that he was being replaced and honestly identified the new man instead of trying to shoehorn another man into Paul's identity, THEN it would have been above board.

[keithm0on]

I'm just gonna be honest and say this topic was a satire at people overanalyzing small lyrics to come to massive conclusions. I wanted to see how long before people jumped on the bandwagon, and we had people looking at songs that don't mean anything, and making them into something. I'm kind of relieved it didn't happen as quickly as I thought.

Come on, if we're gonna look for clues, we need to have some kind of formula. IMO, we ought to set up a canon for the Paul is Dead story, instead of it being so unorganized. That way it'll be easier for newcomers to get an idea of what's going on, instead of going onto the board and turning 180 degrees to Maccafunhouse after they read topics about Paul being a woman or whatever.

I hope I've made a point with this topic, instead of making people angry at me. I know I'm a newcomer, but I've been observing these boards for a while now, and I know more than my fair share of Beatles trivia.

Another thing regarding Karn Evil 9; why is it that everybody who talked to the Beatles, worked with the Beatles, recorded in the same studio as the Beatles, even fucking breathed the same air as the Beatles have to know Paul was dead? If the secret was this huge, there's simply no way it could be kept. The way some people put it, it's almost as if when Paul/Bill walks down the street, he leans over to everyone he sees and says "Psst...I was replaced in 1966. Don't tell anyone, k?" I think we should try organizing this forum into a section for people focused on the "core" of the rumour, only Beatles-related stuff, and then another section where people can speculate about the Illuminati or whatever they want.

Again, I hope I've made a point, instead of just appearing like a madman/troll. And I know I'm a hypocrite here since my first topic was about The Who singing about Paul/Bill, but I've made different opinions since then. I no longer believe it was nearly as big as I did about a month ago. Anyway, cheers.

[Doc]

Oct 16, 2009 16:24:49 GMT -5 @8749 said:

And to quote Doc, "They would have survived losing Paul, for whatever reason, but it's standard operations in show business to continue the show with new personnel when necessary. So, it was above board."
If it had been necessary to replace Paul, and they were honest and told the world public that he was being replaced and honestly identified the new man instead of trying to shoehorn another man into Paul's identity, THEN it would have been above board.

True enough in most circumstances--except one. One in which the whole point was to conceal something about Paul that good men felt had to be concealed. I dont know what that is. I don't think he had a sex change, or turned gay (not that that's a horror; I just do not think that has anything to do with Paul), he's didn't fly to the moon, elope with a French singer or take a mistress, or any of the long list of things put forth as possiblities.

My leading notion is that he was physically compromised, i.e. perhaps lost hands or feet, limbs, etc, and it was best that he be out of the public eye, safe from disrespect and rough handling. But if you tell the world that a certain mega-star is injured and needs to be left alone, then the world and the press will go a looking for you, and you haven't a chance of solitude. If he didn't die, then saying he died would be a lie indeed. So the other option----give the world the Paul they expect, produce him out of magic and mirrors, and let the Paul who needs privacy have it.

Similarly, if Paul was injured and subsequently died, it may have been a dying man's wish for them to find a way for the Beatle's to continue.

Jimi Hendrix played to all ages, but, primarily, his music was for older teens thru 20's, 30's, hip oldsters.

The Beatle's primary audience in the beginning were girls at puberty and younger.
Sure, their fans included some boys, some adults, everybody loved the Beatles; but the core fans were the 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, year old young ladies. Millions of them.
Are they entitled to some shielding? Are there details they don't need to hear?
That was the 60's. The sensibilities are very different today. Michael Jackson's dying details are unseemly for that age group. They heard all about it. This is 2009.

Let's say it was a different ball of wax. Say that Paul died suddenly in some accident, and then everyone else got together and said, "We're making too much money to stop. Announcing his death would be bad publicity and ruin our future earnings. Think of the millions and millions we could all make? We'll find a ringer for him and go on without saying a word; lets milk this cow till she's dry! Screw the family---tell 'em to hush or we'll do them in and their bank accounts."

That would NOT be an example of "above board." Is that the picture you most see in this business? Well I see how that would offend.

[Doc]

Oct 16, 2009 16:06:26 GMT -5 @8749 said:

Oct 15, 2009 18:11:42 GMT -5 plastic paul said:

Come on buddy, I've tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt but the ambiguity of some of your posts really miss the mark.

I'm still a little unsure as to what you're getting at 8749, but regardless, I think it's about time that you practiced what you preach.

I'm not being sarcastic plastic paul when I say there's nothing ambiguous about "prove it." Doc has come up with a blowsy little theory that real Paul gladly stepped aside for group and country from a massively successful career. Does that make sense? Paul said in a Newsweek article of March 21, 1966 that I quoted on the board that he thought in terms of writing for 40 more years, but that he'd "hate to be a white-haired Beatle playing at Empress Stadium." And when The Beatles were interviewed in Detroit in 1964 Paul said 3 times that even after the group disbanded he felt he and John would carry on songwriting. [The interview is at www.keenerpodcast.com under Airchecks: "Beatles in America" at 9:20-9:26, 13:43-13:45, and 13:52-13:57.]
Was he a white-haired old man in 1966? He enjoyed being a showman according to Barry Miles' book, In The Sixties. He was consistently polite and appreciative of his fans.
So the idea is: what would cause him to step away from music stardom? Doc's theory doesn't hold up.

After writing this long post I came to this conclusion: I am in denial. I want to see the world my way and I will reinterpret till I get it there.

Below is what I first wrote--a lengthy saga of justifications that ran me into a corner without a clean mop.


I will leave it as is. I trail off at the end as my "facade of presumptions" begins to crumble.

What would cause someone to step away from mega stardom?

Death. Medical incapacitation. Incarceration. A lengthy abduction. Extreme mental trauma. Drugs. Shame over deeds or over loss of looks. Or like Cat Stevens, a spiritual crisis leading to a religious conversion and subsequent renunciation of one's life and career. Death is number one. Many have suffered the rest of those things and yet had a triumphant come-back. Until McCartney, no one has reputedly come back from death.....

OK. Maybe I am in some kind of denial I want to see a pretty picture. I want to see heros and saints. I want to see Paul as a tragic victim whose rose to heights by altruistically steeping aside for the good of all. I want to see a William who is duty bound and charitable, making sacrifice for the good of country and fellow bandsman.

But what if it's the darker side. But from why it ever began, how the hell would one put an end to it now? Having gone so far, carried it thru to the nth degree for 4 decades?
All the procedures, the money, the whole blasted game? It doesn't have a ending.
Eventually we will all pass away and then young PIA'ers and young agents will go on
protecting the secret. On and on, years and years. Until no one remembers why. Until no one recollects the 60's at all. Until James Paul is truly forgotten of himself, and
Generation Double-D (the stacked generation) comes along blissfully ignorant, and the intelligence people at that time ask each other, "What exactly are we doing this for? Did this cat die, or what? Isn't our department wasting time when we don't even really know what it is that we're protecting?"

No one is alive from the American Civil War. And yet, I still think I see things sometimes to appear written to slant the details of it one way or the other, and yet, why? Everyone that participated is dead! We think they are! Or else they're 160 years old. But "pro"paganda is never ending. Some say the Catholic church helped finance it; some blame the Crown, or the bankers, some say the American illuminati, some say
it was a pissing contest between slave-owners and abolitionists. Then Lincoln is killed at the end--quel surprise! Some say that John Wilkes Booth was a patsy--that another actor who resembled him did the deed! Some say Booth worked alone; some point to alleged accomplices who were hanged in due course.

145 years ago. We still don't know---our view blurred by the litany of conflicting voices on the subject. And every viable witness to the proceedings is dead.

I have read a bunch lately about that business. It's a bigger picture than PID, at least on the surface, (unless PID has untold tentacles) but there is no way to reach a 100% perfect conception of the War of Northern Aggression. So along the way one makes choices on what to believe, the best choices one can, based on the best overall picture one can assimilate.

My picture gives credence and claims a generous breadth of good will to the Apple's Core. If I am wrong, then I am not privy to details that would otherwise shape my view.


My lingering questions: They chose an individual to replace Paul whose appearance was dissimilar enough to risk public discovery. This says that the merits of his talents and determination weighed in on his side more than the resemblance issue. A resemblance, sure. But

And the songs. He would still be writing great ones, great songs with his unique flavor. Where are they? Maybe he stopped out of boredom or some philisophic

rats

[Doc]

Oct 16, 2009 7:45:36 GMT -5 SS said:

A scarecrow needs a two-dimensional blue triangle to read those big words, Doc. If I only had a brain. Do you suggest a dictionary or La Gnose to look up heteroclete?

You grab a dictionary and I'll take your suggestion and visit "La Gnose."

OK, wow. I like it. Very interesting........

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Hmmmm. This is quite special. Saving link....