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Post by 8749 on Oct 17, 2009 13:42:11 GMT -5
I'm just gonna be honest and say this topic was a satire at people overanalyzing small lyrics to come to massive conclusions. I wanted to see how long before people jumped on the bandwagon, and we had people looking at songs that don't mean anything, and making them into something. I'm kind of relieved it didn't happen as quickly as I thought. Come on, if we're gonna look for clues, we need to have some kind of formula. IMO, we ought to set up a canon for the Paul is Dead story, instead of it being so unorganized. That way it'll be easier for newcomers to get an idea of what's going on, instead of going onto the board and turning 180 degrees to Maccafunhouse after they read topics about Paul being a woman or whatever. I hope I've made a point with this topic, instead of making people angry at me. I know I'm a newcomer, but I've been observing these boards for a while now, and I know more than my fair share of Beatles trivia. Another thing regarding Karn Evil 9; why is it that everybody who talked to the Beatles, worked with the Beatles, recorded in the same studio as the Beatles, even fucking breathed the same air as the Beatles have to know Paul was dead? If the secret was this huge, there's simply no way it could be kept. The way some people put it, it's almost as if when Paul/Bill walks down the street, he leans over to everyone he sees and says "Psst...I was replaced in 1966. Don't tell anyone, k?" I think we should try organizing this forum into a section for people focused on the "core" of the rumour, only Beatles-related stuff, and then another section where people can speculate about the Illuminati or whatever they want. Again, I hope I've made a point, instead of just appearing like a madman/troll. And I know I'm a hypocrite here since my first topic was about The Who singing about Paul/Bill, but I've made different opinions since then. I no longer believe it was nearly as big as I did about a month ago. Anyway, cheers. HURRAH, keithmo0n!! The idea of having a core set of assumptions that (nearly) everyone can agree on is a GREAT idea. In a situation like this where it involved a musical group who went into uncharted territory of success with all the money, jealous and intrigue that that would entail, you can't rule out unusual circumstances, but think about it: Paul had to be physically somewhere all the time. I've read countless books that talk about The Beatles fans' grapevine that knew where they were at anytime in London. If there was an accident, a traffic violation, an illness, a death, there are paper trails in archives. The Beatles socialized as much as possible in the little free time they had. Details of their personal lives are trickling out in memoirs. My point is that the information to solve this mystery is out there and with a little organized effort by dedicated people (like us), we can find the answer(s). As for how so many people could know that Paul was replaced and not say anything---obviously people said things or we wouldn't be examining hundreds of "clues." But I'm convinced no one knew or knows everything--even Paul ( and Faul: remember Maybe I'm Amazed's "Maybe I'm a lonely man who's in the middle of something that he doesn't really understand"?--and nearly everyone likes to gossip. So, say, musicians worked their bits of knowledge into their songs, writers dropped hints in articles and books, etc. So, you have a great idea, keithmo0n and we should approach the mystery like that.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 18, 2009 16:27:35 GMT -5
I'm just gonna be honest and say this topic was a satire at people overanalyzing small lyrics to come to massive conclusions. I wanted to see how long before people jumped on the bandwagon, and we had people looking at songs that don't mean anything, and making them into something. I'm kind of relieved it didn't happen as quickly as I thought. Come on, if we're gonna look for clues, we need to have some kind of formula. IMO, we ought to set up a canon for the Paul is Dead story, instead of it being so unorganized. That way it'll be easier for newcomers to get an idea of what's going on, instead of going onto the board and turning 180 degrees to Maccafunhouse after they read topics about Paul being a woman or whatever.I hope I've made a point with this topic, instead of making people angry at me. I know I'm a newcomer, but I've been observing these boards for a while now, and I know more than my fair share of Beatles trivia. Another thing regarding Karn Evil 9; why is it that everybody who talked to the Beatles, worked with the Beatles, recorded in the same studio as the Beatles, even fucking breathed the same air as the Beatles have to know Paul was dead? If the secret was this huge, there's simply no way it could be kept. The way some people put it, it's almost as if when Paul/Bill walks down the street, he leans over to everyone he sees and says "Psst...I was replaced in 1966. Don't tell anyone, k?" I think we should try organizing this forum into a section for people focused on the "core" of the rumour, only Beatles-related stuff, and then another section where people can speculate about the Illuminati or whatever they want. Again, I hope I've made a point, instead of just appearing like a madman/troll. And I know I'm a hypocrite here since my first topic was about The Who singing about Paul/Bill, but I've made different opinions since then. I no longer believe it was nearly as big as I did about a month ago. Anyway, cheers. One of the funniest posts of all time. You be sure to get right on that canon. You are like a chap on his first day at work. The one that has the bright idea of changing the system that his coworkers had been using for 30 yrs. Things end up destroyed, time is lost, people get hurt. You failed to see the reasoning behind the methodology. Never even considered that its not intentioned to be easy for the newcomer. Let it be
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Post by keithm0on on Oct 18, 2009 22:00:48 GMT -5
Yeah, and usually he is the one with the better idea, it's just that these xenophobic old timers that are scared to use any other system defend it with their lives. Hell, do we even have a system? The PID timeline is pretty much just a free-for-all from what I can tell.
Whoa, bro, if you're getting hurt over this, you might need to stop and rethink a few things. Time being lost? Oh yeah, trying to organize our shit so we can have an easier time figuring this out is a huge timewaster. Fo' sho'. Let's just make endless topics where we place random lines on Sgt. Pepper instead. That's definitely the way to go.
Not being easy for a newcomer? Ok, you obviously want this be your little game you can play over the internet. That's fine, but I'm here to solve some shit. Maybe Paul died, maybe he didn't. I want to find out. You and people like iamaphoney can go ahead and lead Youtubers around in circles until you get bored and move onto some other thing, but I'd like to get something working here.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 19, 2009 0:06:20 GMT -5
Yeah, and usually he is the one with the better idea, it's just that these xenophobic old timers that are scared to use any other system defend it with their lives. Hell, do we even have a system? The PID timeline is pretty much just a free-for-all from what I can tell. Hey Jude don't make it bad. Perhaps you confused your "better idea" with something original and innovative. I would not stand in the way of such a great work, carry on. Whoa, bro, if you're getting hurt over this, you might need to stop and rethink a few things. Time being lost? Oh yeah, trying to organize our shit so we can have an easier time figuring this out is a huge timewaster. Fo' sho'. Let's just make endless topics where we place random lines on Sgt. Pepper instead. That's definitely the way to go. Look up analogy, not quite sure why you made the assumption I would be getting hurt over this. LoL Wherever your road leads you I'm sure things will be fine. I just hope you will be kind enough to let me know when your done with the canon so I can get a copy.Not being easy for a newcomer? Ok, you obviously want this be your little game you can play over the internet. That's fine, but I'm here to solve some shit. Maybe Paul died, maybe he didn't. I want to find out. You and people like iamaphoney can go ahead and lead Youtubers around in circles until you get bored and move onto some other thing, but I'd like to get something working here. Sadly, you entirely missed the point. Assumptions will surely keep you running in circles. You'll have to refresh me as to when I made it obvious that I wanted it to be my little game that I can play over the internet. I made a statement about how things are, not how I want them or don't want them. Simply the way things are, nothing more nothing less. A good starting point would be looking into why things are the way they are. What I found the most entertaining about your previous post was the motivational drive behind this:"That way it'll be easier for newcomers to get an idea of what's going on, instead of going onto the board and turning 180 degrees to Maccafunhouse after they read topics about Paul being a woman or whatever." Maybe the answer lies in educating newcomers. Maybe more clues would get solved if an effort was put forth to keep from losing prospects to Maccafunhouse. Is the problem a lack of concern of what goes on at Maccafunhouse? They seem to put in alot of effort to get involved on this side of things, its a funny thing to watch. .
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Post by keithm0on on Oct 19, 2009 1:18:25 GMT -5
Notice how I said "We". WE need a canon. I wanted it to be a community thing. Respected members of this place get together, decide what we know for sure, the facts, when Paul was replaced, which pics are of Paul, etc. I never claimed I was going to do the whole thing by myself, and it would be foolish to do that. I also never claimed I was being original or innovative. I just said what I think needs to be done, and you didn't like it, so you decided to be a sarcastic dick about it instead of offering your viewpoint. Maybe we could have worked together to come to an even better idea that we could both agree on. Guess not.
What is the point I missed? From what I could tell in your post, you implied that you like this free-for-all mess we've got and don't care if newcomers understand. No, you didn't just make a statement, or else you wouldn't have mocked me. You obviously want things a certain way. Tell me what your idea of a good PID investigation is.
Maccafunhouse is not my main drive behind this idea. It's just a fact I brought up that most people look at this stuff about Aleister Crowley being Paul's dad or whatever, then without looking at some of the more logical stuff we have, they scoff at us and never come back. Maybe they don't go to maccafunhouse, I don't care, but the point is we lose someone that could be helpful in solving the mystery, if it is at all solvable. There's strength in numbers.
tl;dr ORGANIZE THIS SHIT. srsly.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 19, 2009 1:49:31 GMT -5
Notice how I said "We". WE need a canon. I wanted it to be a community thing. Respected members of this place get together, decide what we know for sure, the facts, when Paul was replaced, which pics are of Paul, etc. I never claimed I was going to do the whole thing by myself, and it would be foolish to do that. I also never claimed I was being original or innovative. I just said what I think needs to be done, and you didn't like it, so you decided to be a sarcastic dick about it instead of offering your viewpoint. Maybe we could have worked together to come to an even better idea that we could both agree on. Guess not. What is the point I missed? From what I could tell in your post, you implied that you like this free-for-all mess we've got and don't care if newcomers understand. No, you didn't just make a statement, or else you wouldn't have mocked me. You obviously want things a certain way. Tell me what your idea of a good PID investigation is. Maccafunhouse is not my main drive behind this idea. It's just a fact I brought up that most people look at this stuff about Aleister Crowley being Paul's dad or whatever, then without looking at some of the more logical stuff we have, they scoff at us and never come back. Maybe they don't go to maccafunhouse, I don't care, but the point is we lose someone that could be helpful in solving the mystery, if it is at all solvable. There's strength in numbers. tl;dr ORGANIZE THIS SHIT. srsly. HAHAHA way to rally the troops Custer! This should be fun. My point was: If you don't understand why things are the way they are now, then you'll never acheive your most honurable and worthy goal. I'm still not sure why shit should be organized. Are you gonna organize NIR or just salvage it for what you deem fit and scrap the rest? I'm sure there will be plenty on here to help you. LoL I guess you'd be pretty good as spotting a sarcastic dick, wouldn't you? Good luck
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Post by B on Oct 19, 2009 9:47:18 GMT -5
fauLLIBle's #28 post - reposted in large type:
Quote: One of the funniest posts of all time. You be sure to get right on that canon. You are like a chap on his first day at work. The one that has the bright idea of changing the system that his coworkers had been using for 30 yrs. Yeah, and usually he is the one with the better idea, it's just that these xenophobic old timers that are scared to use any other system defend it with their lives. Hell, do we even have a system? The PID timeline is pretty much just a free-for-all from what I can tell. Hey Jude don't make it bad. Perhaps you confused your "better idea" with something original and innovative. I would not stand in the way of such a great work, carry on.
Quote: Things end up destroyed, time is lost, people get hurt. You failed to see the reasoning behind the methodology. Never even considered that its not intentioned to be easy for the newcomer. Let it be Whoa, bro, if you're getting hurt over this, you might need to stop and rethink a few things. Time being lost? Oh yeah, trying to organize our shit so we can have an easier time figuring this out is a huge timewaster. Fo' sho'. Let's just make endless topics where we place random lines on Sgt. Pepper instead. That's definitely the way to go. Look up analogy, not quite sure why you made the assumption I would be getting hurt over this. LoL Wherever your road leads you I'm sure things will be fine. I just hope you will be kind enough to let me know when your done with the canon so I can get a copy.
Not being easy for a newcomer? Ok, you obviously want this be your little game you can play over the internet. That's fine, but I'm here to solve some shit. Maybe Paul died, maybe he didn't. I want to find out. You and people like iamaphoney can go ahead and lead Youtubers around in circles until you get bored and move onto some other thing, but I'd like to get something working here.
Sadly, you entirely missed the point. Assumptions will surely keep you running in circles. You'll have to refresh me as to when I made it obvious that I wanted it to be my little game that I can play over the internet. I made a statement about how things are, not how I want them or don't want them. Simply the way things are, nothing more nothing less. A good starting point would be looking into why things are the way they are. What I found the most entertaining about your previous post was the motivational drive behind this: "That way it'll be easier for newcomers to get an idea of what's going on, instead of going onto the board and turning 180 degrees to Maccafunhouse after they read topics about Paul being a woman or whatever."
Maybe the answer lies in educating newcomers. Maybe more clues would get solved if an effort was put forth to keep from losing prospects to Maccafunhouse. Is the problem a lack of concern of what goes on at Maccafunhouse? They seem to put in alot of effort to get involved on this side of things, its a funny thing to watch.
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Post by keithm0on on Oct 19, 2009 20:08:00 GMT -5
Alright, obviously faul dislikes me and prefers to act holier-than-thou. Guess I'm just a dope that'll never understand. Tough luck, that.
Naysayers aside, does anyone agree with me here? I'm not saying we should throw stuff aside, just collect a group of information that we know is true and can be proven.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 20, 2009 5:44:12 GMT -5
Sure, I have no problem.
I don't understand why this has been made a flashpoint.
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Post by 8749 on Oct 20, 2009 17:16:28 GMT -5
Alright, obviously faul dislikes me and prefers to act holier-than-thou. Guess I'm just a dope that'll never understand. Tough luck, that. Naysayers aside, does anyone agree with me here? I'm not saying we should throw stuff aside, just collect a group of information that we know is true and can be proven. I totally agree. There are now three members who agree to agree. Don't want to be a cheerleader here but-- LET'S GO TEAM !!!
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Post by keithm0on on Oct 21, 2009 17:13:04 GMT -5
Alright, obviously faul dislikes me and prefers to act holier-than-thou. Guess I'm just a dope that'll never understand. Tough luck, that. Naysayers aside, does anyone agree with me here? I'm not saying we should throw stuff aside, just collect a group of information that we know is true and can be proven. I totally agree. There are now three members who agree to agree. Don't want to be a cheerleader here but-- LET'S GO TEAM !!!Don't be say "LET'S GO TEAM !!!" or you'll be chastised for thinking you can change this place. that being said, I would still like more support, maybe from a mod or admin. There's so much info it would take a while to get the facts out of it all, and came up with an official story. In the mean time, I think we should start gathering the stuff we think is important, along with good EMPIRICAL evidence that Paul was replaced.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 21, 2009 18:29:30 GMT -5
HA just can't let it go can ya? LoL So I fixed your post for ya Once again Good Luck QUOTE: Don't be say "LET'S GO TEAM !!!" or post BS about PID just to see if you would get called on it or you'll be chastised for thinking you can change this place. that being said, I would still like more support, maybe from a mod or admin. There's so much info it would take a while to get the facts out of it all, and came up with an official story. In the mean time, I think we should start gathering the stuff we think is important, along with good EMPIRICAL evidence that Paul was replaced.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 22, 2009 5:10:26 GMT -5
Such a wanker.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 22, 2009 10:00:25 GMT -5
You got to work with this guy don't start calling him names!
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 22, 2009 14:35:27 GMT -5
I don't mind him.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 22, 2009 14:45:41 GMT -5
Awww refering to self-- No you're not! I thought you lowered yourself to name calling others. I see you're down with OPP
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 22, 2009 15:42:28 GMT -5
I'm just fed up with some of the crap, that's all.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Oct 22, 2009 16:09:38 GMT -5
Yeah, me too
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Post by 8749 on Oct 22, 2009 16:45:14 GMT -5
I actually believe there's enough information on the board to prove Paul was replaced. Empirical evidence would be facial comparisons and the Wired article is a great beginning. I posted several websites where audio samples can be compared (Re: The WIRED article. A Closer Look. Reply #120 [Page 5] on the Guest Board.) I think we can all agree that starting about mid-1965--about the time they were filming Help , Paul was miserable. Why? The documented physical evidence of that was when he sported a broken tooth during the PBW/Rain videos in 1966. The audio evidence was Yesterday recorded mid-1965. I think we have to work on the "Why" in order to find what happened to him.
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