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Post by superman on Dec 2, 2009 4:16:16 GMT -5
In the "Wings" video for "My Love" this parrot-nosed, cartoon-faced guy doesn't even look like "Bill" let alone JPM. This weird looking guy (or girl!) flat out gives me the creeps. And if you look at the YouTube freeze-framed example photo for the link to the song, you'll see that the frame is caught in transition so it looks like the face of "Paul" is partially a skeleton. Watch the video carefully every time "Paul" sings the word "Good". The camera slows down just a fraction so that you can get a "good" close look at this crooning creature. Also, what's with the dance Linda is doing? She seems to be mimicking being a PUPPET. She looks even stranger as she and "Paul" tango. Anyway, I could be wrong. But the singing creature in this video doesn't appear to be either Paul or "Faul". I really can't be certain (as with the video for Waterfalls) that it's even a male. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN4ZDjFGUB0
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Post by Jude on Dec 2, 2009 10:23:54 GMT -5
In the "Wings" video for "My Love" this parrot-nosed, cartoon-faced guy doesn't even look like "Bill" let alone JPM. This weird looking guy (or girl!) flat out gives me the creeps. And if you look at the YouTube freeze-framed example photo for the link to the song, you'll see that the frame is caught in transition so it looks like the face of "Paul" is partially a skeleton. Watch the video carefully every time "Paul" sings the word "Good". The camera slows down just a fraction so that you can get a "good" close look at this crooning creature. Also, what's with the dance Linda is doing? She seems to be mimicking being a PUPPET. She looks even stranger as she and "Paul" tango. Anyway, I could be wrong. But the singing creature in this video doesn't appear to be either Paul or "Faul". I really can't be certain (as with the video for Waterfalls) that it's even a male. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN4ZDjFGUB0What a way to dehumanize someone. You do realize that, outside this forum, you'd be declared insane for even insinuating the person in this video isn't a male, much less someone other than Paul McCartney? It looks like Paul McCartney, the way Paul McCartney (or whoever you believe he was) did in 1973, period. I'm not even going to bother digging up photos of Paul from Red Rose Speedway, it looks THAT much like the exact same man.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 11:01:00 GMT -5
In the "Wings" video for "My Love" this parrot-nosed, cartoon-faced guy doesn't even look like "Bill" let alone JPM. This weird looking guy (or girl!) flat out gives me the creeps. And if you look at the YouTube freeze-framed example photo for the link to the song, you'll see that the frame is caught in transition so it looks like the face of "Paul" is partially a skeleton. Watch the video carefully every time "Paul" sings the word "Good". The camera slows down just a fraction so that you can get a "good" close look at this crooning creature. Also, what's with the dance Linda is doing? She seems to be mimicking being a PUPPET. She looks even stranger as she and "Paul" tango. Anyway, I could be wrong. But the singing creature in this video doesn't appear to be either Paul or "Faul". I really can't be certain (as with the video for Waterfalls) that it's even a male. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN4ZDjFGUB0What a way to dehumanize someone. You do realize that, outside this forum, you'd be declared insane for even insinuating the person in this video isn't a male, much less someone other than Paul McCartney? It looks like Paul McCartney, the way Paul McCartney (or whoever you believe he was) did in 1973, period. I'm not even going to bother digging up photos of Paul from Red Rose Speedway, it looks THAT much like the exact same man.I'll bother... Not only is it the same guy from Red Rose Speedway, but it's also the same guy who split his lip on the moped in December of 1965. Notice the scar in this capture from the "My Love" video in question...
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Post by superman on Dec 2, 2009 11:56:16 GMT -5
"You do realize that, outside this forum, you'd be declared insane for even insinuating the person in this video isn't a male, much less someone other than Paul McCartney?"
You mean there is actually a real world with real world consequences for outlandish opinions outside of a forum called "Nothing is Real"? Don't worry. If I had ANY concerns about being thought of as insane I certainly wouldn't have signed up for this place.
Oh, and I didn't know that suggesting that the "Paul" in the video may in fact be a woman in drag was "dehumanizing". Not that I don't think the guy (male or female) looks flat-out weird, you understand. But I'm still certain it's a human being. At first I thought the bizarre "look" and odd behavior of this fellow (and Linda) might simply be the result of someone who's really coked-up. But now it seems a bit more orchestrated--with camera angles and close-ups arranged to produce a particular aesthetic.
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Post by 8749 on Dec 2, 2009 15:33:32 GMT -5
What a way to dehumanize someone. You do realize that, outside this forum, you'd be declared insane for even insinuating the person in this video isn't a male, much less someone other than Paul McCartney? It looks like Paul McCartney, the way Paul McCartney (or whoever you believe he was) did in 1973, period. I'm not even going to bother digging up photos of Paul from Red Rose Speedway, it looks THAT much like the exact same man.I'll bother... Not only is it the same guy from Red Rose Speedway, but it's also the same guy who split his lip on the moped in December of 1965. Notice the scar in this capture from the "My Love" video in question... I disagree with you, P(D)L. Turn the sound down on the video (I had to, I can't stand that song) and compare it with Faul at the piano on Get Back: same guy. If he had his face jerked around to look more like Paul, what's another little cut on the lip? The real pity of this song is that Linda sang background on it. It shows how cowed she was from early on in the relationship.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 15:50:36 GMT -5
I'll bother... Not only is it the same guy from Red Rose Speedway, but it's also the same guy who split his lip on the moped in December of 1965. Notice the scar in this capture from the "My Love" video in question... I disagree with you, P(D)L. Turn the sound down on the video (I had to, I can't stand that song) and compare it with Faul at the piano on Get Back: same guy. If he had his face jerked around to look more like Paul, what's another little cut on the lip? The real pity of this song is that Linda sang background on it. It shows how cowed she was from early on in the relationship. JPM has the scar on his lip from the moped accident in December of 1965. The guy in the My Love video has the scar on his lip (see previous post for pic). The guy at the piano in "Let It Be" and "The Long and Winding Road" (You said Get Back, but Paul plays bass in the live performances of Get Back) has the scar on his lip. So... Logically... They are all the SAME PERSON. And since the scar is traceable to JPM, that makes all of these people JPM. Sorry. BTW, what makes you so sure that "the guy at the piano on Get Back" is anyone but JPM?
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Post by 8749 on Dec 2, 2009 16:02:05 GMT -5
If I had a scar on my lip, would that make me JPM? Read the hundreds of pages on this forum and you'll be convinced (again) that Paul was replaced.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 16:30:40 GMT -5
If I had a scar on my lip, would that make me JPM? Read the hundreds of pages on this forum and you'll be convinced (again) that Paul was replaced. 8749 said: "If I had a scar on my lip, would that make me JPM?"
Erm....no. I'm not suggesting that EVERY person with a scar on their lip is JPM. For example.... This isn't JPM What I AM stating is that a person who LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE JPM, and has JPM's moped accident scar, while existing in a situation that HIGHLY SUGGESTS that that person is JPM, i.e. a Beatles movie, or a Paul McCartney music video, very likely IS JPM. Do YOU look exactly like JPM? Do YOU look even a tiny little bit like JPM? Were YOU in Let It Be? Were YOU in the My Love video? ? Unless you your answers to the above questions are YES, then your "If I had a scar on my lip, would that make me JPM?" argument is completely meaningless. 8749 also said: "Read the hundreds of pages on this forum and you'll be convinced (again) that Paul was replaced."Nowhere did I say that JPM was never replaced. Saying that JPM is in Let it Be and the My Love video is not the same thing as saying that he was never replaced. Capiche?
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Post by 8749 on Dec 2, 2009 16:53:16 GMT -5
So give us the time frame, P(D)enny La(i)ne, when you think Paul was replaced. And when did you become an invisible user?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 17:14:04 GMT -5
So give us the time frame, P(D)enny La(i)ne, when you think Paul was replaced. And when did you become an invisible user? "So give us the time frame, P(D)enny La(i)ne, when you think Paul was replaced."It's impossible to say for certain, but the monkey business probably started with the Pepper sessions, and from there up through now, it's been a combination of JPM, AT LEAST one Faul, and some possible (vocal only) help from the likes of Denny Laine and Emitt Rhodes. JPM was definitely back for the White Album though, which is why I believe it was called THE Bealtles, emphasis on the word THE. Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour were credited to Beatles, NOT The Beatles... And btw, I don't claim to have ALL of the answers, but the now it's here, now it's not lip scar, and common sense tells me that JPM never went away entirely. "And when did you become an invisible user?"The moment I selected that option...
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Post by 8749 on Dec 2, 2009 17:19:11 GMT -5
Well I disagree. I think Paul was out completely starting from probably August, 1966 and I'm starting to think he either died in 1966 or was totally incapacitated.
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Post by FP on Dec 2, 2009 18:13:47 GMT -5
So give us the time frame, P(D)enny La(i)ne, when you think Paul was replaced. And when did you become an invisible user? "So give us the time frame, P(D)enny La(i)ne, when you think Paul was replaced."It's impossible to say for certain, but the monkey business probably started with the Pepper sessions, and from there up through now, it's been a combination of JPM, AT LEAST one Faul, and some possible (vocal only) help from the likes of Denny Laine and Emitt Rhodes. And btw, I don't claim to have ALL of the answers, but the now it's here, now it's not lip scar, and common sense tells me that JPM never went away entirely. You know, he had a lip scar during Pepper too. www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/Valis/bb48-1.jpg
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 18:30:28 GMT -5
"So give us the time frame, P(D)enny La(i)ne, when you think Paul was replaced."It's impossible to say for certain, but the monkey business probably started with the Pepper sessions, and from there up through now, it's been a combination of JPM, AT LEAST one Faul, and some possible (vocal only) help from the likes of Denny Laine and Emitt Rhodes. And btw, I don't claim to have ALL of the answers, but the now it's here, now it's not lip scar, and common sense tells me that JPM never went away entirely. You know, he had a lip scar during Pepper too.www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/Valis/bb48-1.jpgYes, I knew that, FP. Notice that I said the "monkey business" probably started with the Pepper sessions, and I also mentioned the possibility of vocal only help. Monkey business doesn't mean that JPM was dead, or that he wasn't capable of having his photo taken. I also said that I don't believe that he died, or that he ever went away entirely. None of that precludes JPM being around during Pepper. One of these days, I hope to break it down song by song, but I'm not there yet...
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Post by FP on Dec 2, 2009 19:35:22 GMT -5
Yes, I knew that, FP. Notice that I said the "monkey business" probably started with the Pepper sessions, and I also mentioned the possibility of vocal only help. Monkey business doesn't mean that JPM was dead, or that he wasn't capable of having his photo taken. I also said that I don't believe that he died, or that he ever went away entirely. None of that precludes JPM being around during Pepper. One of these days, I hope to break it down song by song, but I'm not there yet... I know you don't think Paul died in 1966, but are there any specific shoots where you don't think it's him?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 20:25:57 GMT -5
Yes, I knew that, FP. Notice that I said the "monkey business" probably started with the Pepper sessions, and I also mentioned the possibility of vocal only help. Monkey business doesn't mean that JPM was dead, or that he wasn't capable of having his photo taken. I also said that I don't believe that he died, or that he ever went away entirely. None of that precludes JPM being around during Pepper. One of these days, I hope to break it down song by song, but I'm not there yet... I know you don't think Paul died in 1966, but are there any specific shoots where you don't think it's him? We start in 196 6, with a NASTY looking scar. But in these shots from 196 8, there's no noticeable scar. From the Revolution performance on the Smothers Brothers on 10/13/6 8. And here's one from the I Am the Walrus bit in MMT, which was also in 196 8. As compared to LATER, in 196 9. So, the scar gets better, and then it gets worse.
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Post by FP on Dec 2, 2009 21:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 2, 2009 22:03:07 GMT -5
Good eye, FP. FP said: "And the scar does show up in the Revolution video; click HD and skip to 1:28:"FP also said: "His scar also isn't visible in his opening close up of Paperback Writer."And yet it's so prominent through most of the Let it Be performance... Hmmm. Perhaps it's lighting, mixed with the extent to which he was pursing his lips at any given moment. Or possibly a fake scar. Or.......<shudder>.........perhaps there is no Faul. To be continued.
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Post by FP on Dec 2, 2009 23:08:32 GMT -5
Or.......<shudder>.........perhaps there is no Faul. *gasp* That's crazy talk! Best keep those types of thoughts to yourself around here... ;D
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Post by Jude on Dec 3, 2009 6:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by Jude on Dec 3, 2009 7:01:39 GMT -5
Speaking of someone in terms that suggest that he is a creature of indeterminate gender is dehumanizing. Your words are more befitting of a mutant than a legendary rock artist.
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Post by MikeNL on Dec 3, 2009 8:45:10 GMT -5
Speaking of someone in terms that suggest that he is a creature of indeterminate gender is dehumanizing. Your words are more befitting of a mutant than a legendary rock artist. WHAT! you tell me that, i've been listening to an alien for all these years? but, really... i can't stand these things... it was fashion at the time to have such hair/clothes. p.s; jude, i responded on your PM
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 3, 2009 9:50:11 GMT -5
Jude said: "I've decided that I'm going to use the "ignore" function against you, P(D)enny La(i)ne, your posts contain too many solid facts and way too much common sense to be accepted by moi!"
My lawyer will be contacting your lawyer with an order for you to cease and desist your activiation of the ignore function. Should your lawyer chose to ignore my cease and desist order, then I shall be forced to ignore you. Hopefully, this mutually assured ignoring will allow cooler heads to prevail.
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Post by superman on Dec 3, 2009 11:57:19 GMT -5
The scar issue never phased me because the Beatles went through so much trouble to SHOW the scar. I mean they all but put a spotlight directly on it. Clearly it was something they really wanted everyone to notice with all the close ups and pictures where an imperfection of that sort stands out. This being the case, the idea that a replacement Paul would also be sporting a scar isn't surprising at all.
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Post by FP on Dec 3, 2009 14:41:12 GMT -5
The scar issue never phased me because the Beatles went through so much trouble to SHOW the scar. It's not in Magical Mystery Tour at all. Don't you think if they were to shove it in your face, there would be at least one example in their first post-66 movie? And it's not in Penny Lane either.
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Post by superman on Dec 3, 2009 17:40:41 GMT -5
I don't know abut Penny Lane, but Magical Mystery Tour (even the album booklet ) was a total ball of confusion that seemed designed to blow the minds of those looking "deeper" while, on the surface, appearing as this so-so romp across the countryside. So no scar appearing there isn't surprising either.
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