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Post by iameye on Nov 16, 2010 20:22:51 GMT -5
In using myth, in manipulating the continuous parallel between contemporaneity and antiquity, Mr. Joyce is pursuing a method which others must pursue after him. It is simply a way of controlling, of ordering, of giving a shape and a significance to the immense panorama of futility and anarchy which is contemporary history....... a step toward making the modern world possible for art." T.S. Eliot[/i] lol
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Post by iameye on Nov 16, 2010 20:34:05 GMT -5
And in the room the woman came and went
talking of Michael Angel-o oh, quiet! It's quite funny! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by iameye on Nov 16, 2010 21:11:52 GMT -5
when Day was done said.....
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Registering, is better. Really.
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Post by truthwillsetyoufre on Nov 19, 2010 19:03:15 GMT -5
Okay. So let me try this again. I should be more concerned with Hermes/Apollo and all that than with the typical 'luciferian' view of Crowley's work. But considering all of the references in the albums and songs to Thelema, I can't disregard them fully, just maybe put it in a different perspective? It seems that all the clues point to Paul being 'the ram' or 'son of the magickian' and all that stuff. ("Magic with a 'k'" quote. "About a hundred people in the world that get what we're doing quote." "I am he" "Do what you wanna do" etc. etc. ad nauseum) Let's just say I read that 'secret teachings of all ages' book... seems to be a lot of interesting 'coincidence.' How bout a few highlights to help someone not so 'initiated.' And uh Nothing is real... very first one video of the ART series (I don't care what people say... it's still linked to ART even if it's not ART proper) is Strawberry Fields reversed.... 'Nothing is real.' There's a very interesting 'NOTHING' in Hall's work. 'NOTHING (proper) is real.' How am I doing?
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Post by iameye on Nov 19, 2010 22:17:41 GMT -5
If Nothing is real is Strawberry fields back-wards at face value would mean both words are an exact mirror image, therefore equal. In at least one way or another. Somewhere, someplace in time travel..... Right? .
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Post by truthwillsetyoufre on Nov 20, 2010 6:52:03 GMT -5
Awwww, seriously? I put in a lot of research and work and THIS is the best I get? We're talking time travel now? They're doing that on Taf's blog now too. Lot of time travel and CERN black hole talk... Can we at least make the cryptic clues we're throwing at the wall RELATE to one another? I just love how it's almost like the 'flavor of the month' at the boards. This month it's all about Paul being replaced. Next month it's all about Crowley. Next month it's all about the CIA. This month it's all about Time Travel. With enough 'initiated' or 'in the know' people around here, it ought to be 'This month, it's about all of the above COHESIVELY.'
I guess I'm just looking for a consistent narrative. Something along the lines of 'The Beatles were Time Travelers who told the real secret history of the world and there's an impending apocalypse coming soon and we know this because Paul did Thelemic magick at the temple of Solomon when he traveled back in time. The End.'
But no matter what, it's a circle. A chase without an end. Puzzles within a puzzle. And I'm to the point where I feel like Lou Costello 2/3rds of the way through the "who's on first" routine.
You mentioned you appreciated the dialogue, but it's really not a 'dialogue' per se. I talk a lot, throw out some theories, and instead of even getting a 'warm..warmer...oooh cold....ice cold', I get another random clue or two which I don't get AT ALL and then I go running down the rabbit hole again. (which may be the game all along) I feel like William Shatner in the "Nick of Time" Twilight Zone episode. He keeps getting a little sheet of paper with a 'magic 8 ball style' answer on it from a fortune telling machine (ironically a devil's head) and he has to interpret the meaning. It almost drives him crazy until he's finally convinced to just walk away. Moral of the story, he's given wayyyyyy too much power to the power of imagination and suggestion and it's affecting his own choices and decisions.
I'm about to walk away. Cause I figure, the best that happens? I see what the Beatles were really up to. No denying they were up to something more than any other rock band in history. The worst thing that happens? I miss the tip-off to the impending apocalypse. Which I still believe 'no man knows the hour or the day.' And in the end, I know where my soul is going anyway. Plus I ought to be able to see the fig leaves changing anyway.
So uh - I guess I'm saying 'seven levels of mystery or not', if I don't get something that makes sense soon, I'll be going back to my previous happy little life before the Rotten Apple and PID and NIR and reading arcane occult/mystery books searching for answers.
BTW iameye, no disrespect meant, and thanks, I think, for at least forwarding the game and keeping me playing a couple more days, but who are you? Do you have any relation to the iamaphoney gang? Taf's blog? Are you a Crowley disciple? A fellow detective far into the game? Or none of the above.
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Post by iameye on Nov 20, 2010 8:36:50 GMT -5
Awwww, seriously? I put in a lot of research and work and THIS is the best I get? We're talking time travel now? They're doing that on Taf's blog now too. Lot of time travel and CERN black hole talk... Can we at least make the cryptic clues we're throwing at the wall RELATE to one another? I just love how it's almost like the 'flavor of the month' at the boards. This month it's all about Paul being replaced. Next month it's all about Crowley. Next month it's all about the CIA. This month it's all about Time Travel. With enough 'initiated' or 'in the know' people around here, it ought to be 'This month, it's about all of the above COHESIVELY.' I guess I'm just looking for a consistent narrative. Something along the lines of 'The Beatles were Time Travelers who told the real secret history of the world and there's an impending apocalypse coming soon and we know this because Paul did Thelemic magick at the temple of Solomon when he traveled back in time. The End.' But no matter what, it's a circle. A chase without an end. Puzzles within a puzzle. And I'm to the point where I feel like Lou Costello 2/3rds of the way through the "who's on first" routine. You mentioned you appreciated the dialogue, but it's really not a 'dialogue' per se. I talk a lot, throw out some theories, and instead of even getting a 'warm..warmer...oooh cold....ice cold', I get another random clue or two which I don't get AT ALL and then I go running down the rabbit hole again. (which may be the game all along) I feel like William Shatner in the "Nick of Time" Twilight Zone episode. He keeps getting a little sheet of paper with a 'magic 8 ball style' answer on it from a fortune telling machine (ironically a devil's head) and he has to interpret the meaning. It almost drives him crazy until he's finally convinced to just walk away. Moral of the story, he's given wayyyyyy too much power to the power of imagination and suggestion and it's affecting his own choices and decisions. I'm about to walk away. Cause I figure, the best that happens? I see what the Beatles were really up to. No denying they were up to something more than any other rock band in history. The worst thing that happens? I miss the tip-off to the impending apocalypse. Which I still believe 'no man knows the hour or the day.' And in the end, I know where my soul is going anyway. Plus I ought to be able to see the fig leaves changing anyway. So uh - I guess I'm saying 'seven levels of mystery or not', if I don't get something that makes sense soon, I'll be going back to my previous happy little life before the Rotten Apple and PID and NIR and reading arcane occult/mystery books searching for answers. BTW iameye, no disrespect meant, and thanks, I think, for at least forwarding the game and keeping me playing a couple more days, but who are you? Do you have any relation to the iamaphoney gang? Taf's blog? Are you a Crowley disciple? A fellow detective far into the game? Or none of the above. I am none of the above. and all of the above. ;D Look, T, your original question was pretty vague and scratch just the surface of the area of study you choose. Come back with better questions. As for the time travel remark, it was a topical joke. Timing is Everything. lol have a nice day.
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Post by iameye on Nov 20, 2010 10:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 20, 2010 11:32:06 GMT -5
Okay. So let me try this again. I should be more concerned with Hermes/Apollo and all that than with the typical 'luciferian' view of Crowley's work. But considering all of the references in the albums and songs to Thelema, I can't disregard them fully, just maybe put it in a different perspective? Well the way it seems to me is that its all very well noting the references and their surface meaning, but if you want to understand them better, then you need the wider scope of vision. The 'crowley' aspect may well be quite important, but parts of it don't make any sense on their own, as is their design. Let's just say I read that 'secret teachings of all ages' book... seems to be a lot of interesting 'coincidence.' How bout a few highlights to help someone not so 'initiated.' Did you really read it - or just flick through? Its a big book. And uh Nothing is real... very first one video of the ART series (I don't care what people say... it's still linked to ART even if it's not ART proper) is Strawberry Fields reversed.... 'Nothing is real.' There's a very interesting 'NOTHING' in Hall's work. 'NOTHING (proper) is real.' How am I doing? Its art
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Post by truthwillsetyoufre on Nov 20, 2010 19:01:30 GMT -5
Yes. I read the book. And while I picked up a few interesting coincidences, I found no real 'enlightenment' from it. I see what a few people are referring to now when it comes to occult 'tip-offs' in media and a thousand more 'maybes.' But you know what? Not life changing. Not mind blowing. Because as much as some people on the boards accuse people of just throwing things out there 'willy nilly' and not being able to 'convict' Paul or the Beatles of their intentions because of 'lack of proof', that same 'lack of proof' is lacking in Hall's book. What is the evidence of these truths?
And this comes right down to 'Case In Point.' I asked iameye to identify who he was and what he was doing here. I got 'I'm all of the above and none of the above.' Great. Allow me to return the favor: Who am I? What is my allegiance? I have allegiance and yet I have none. But here's a clue - Tree Dog Hump. And now here's a song by New Kids on The Block... wait for it --- look at 1:42---ah! Did you see it?!?!
Can't get a straight answer EVER. Not publicly. Not privately. And you said 'ask better questions.' Really? So if I ask direct questions am I gonna get answers?
Is Paul a Crowley follower? Why does he put the ram stuff in all of his albums? Is there a connection to Hermes? Is the apocalypse coming soon? Was Paul replaced? What's the Masonic connection?
There. Direct questions. Didn't phrase them so openly because they've been asked countless times before to no avail. And do I expect direct answers now? Nope. I don't. Because you either don't have them, or that's just not the way whatever this is operates. Or maybe it's not part of the PROCESS.
But let me say this: if this is part of a belief system, I think it speaks VOLUMES as to the very nature of it. Do I want to believe in something that can't be told to me straight? Can't be laid out and explained? Or do I want to believe in Something that makes sense 'cause and effect' wise? Something that transcends all races and backgrounds and cultures and time? Something where there's some actual 'proof' to back it up rather than just speculation and symbols and sigils and 'try again later' Magic 8-ball statements?
Because a belief that is so guarded in secrecy that you can't explain it clearly and openly isn't fair, isn't right, isn't good and isn't worthwhile. And if and when 'the world ends in fire', searching NIR and Taf's blog online to see if Macca is Crowley's Messiah or he's heralding him isn't going to change anything.
One more thing - when I mentioned the weird experiences I had after going through the ART series and the winged beatle series multiple times, and the weird oppression, nobody mentioned 'hey - get some help dude.' or 'that's not normal and not related to the Rotten Apple series' or even 'ah. That's a possible side effect. Here's what to do about it.' NOTHING. Again this speaks loud and clear as to the care and concern of the people linked to whatever THIS is. And the fact that it was just taken matter of factly? What does that tell you?
Don't bother replying. I'm not coming back. I'm not reading the boards again. I'm done. But my parting statement is this.
SOMETHING > NOTHING. I choose to believe in SOMETHING.
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Post by B on Nov 20, 2010 19:08:19 GMT -5
Roared like a true Leo. Leaving so soon? I wouldn't hear of it! There's nothing posted here to cause you to believe in NOTHING, is there? If I knew what would work for you, perhaps I would try to post it, but you ask for all the questions on a silver platter. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. the Fixx One thing leads to anotherwww.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8The deception with tact, just what are you trying to say? You've got a blank face, which irritates Communicate, pull out your party piece You see dimensions in two State your case with black or white But when one little cross leads to shots, grit your teeth You run for cover so discreet, why don't they: Do what they say, say what you mean One thing leads to another You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long But then one thing leads to another. The impression that you sell Passes in and out like a scent But the long face that you see comes from living close To your fears If this is up then I'm up, but you're running out of sight You've seen your name on the walls And when one little bump leads to shock, miss a beat You run for cover and there's heat, why don't they: Do what they say, say what they mean One thing leads to another You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long But then one thing leads to another One thing leads to another Then it's easy to believe Somebody's been lying to me But when the wrong word goes in the right ear I know you've been lying to me It's getting rough, off the cuff I've got to say enough's enough Bigger the harder he falls But when the wrong antidote is like a bulge on the throat You runs for cover in the heat why don't they Do what they say, say what they mean One thing leads to another You tell me something wrong, I know I listen too long But then one thing leads to another One thing leads to another
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Post by B on Nov 20, 2010 19:43:12 GMT -5
truthwillsetyoufre wrote: " ...when I mentioned the weird experiences I had after going through the ART series and the winged beatle series multiple times, and the weird oppression, nobody mentioned 'hey - get some help dude.' or 'that's not normal and not related to the Rotten Apple series' or even 'ah. That's a possible side effect. Here's what to do about it.' NOTHING. Again this speaks loud and clear as to the care and concern of the people linked to whatever THIS is. And the fact that it was just taken matter of factly? What does that tell you?"Yeah, we're a cold blooded, hard-hearted bunch, no doubt. I had no fear for your well-being, though. I figured you could take care of yourself. I've never experienced the oppression of which you spoke after viewing iamaphoney's stuff, but then, that's me. No one here is asking you to do anything you don't want to. Life goes on with or without the Rotten Apple videos. No point in continuing with this post if you don't plan to read it though. Good luck with that being set free stuff. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj7_JKCbXeg
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Post by skyward on Nov 20, 2010 20:25:57 GMT -5
Don't bother replying. I'm not coming back. I'm not reading the boards again. I'm done. But my parting statement is this. SOMETHING > NOTHING. I choose to believe in SOMETHING. Clearly, it's understandable that some might feel this type of frustration, I hear ya, kinda like investing yourself in something where you know there's no chance of completion, or climactic success. Now and then, everyone stumbles onto the realization that reassessing their priorities and making adjustments isn't such a bad thing. If you're feeling something sinister in all this, relax, take a deep breath and explain it all, who knows, it might help others who have felt the same thing. I've read about there being spells and such, but I think it's only a depiction of some of the Keys of Solomon and those sigils. Surely, though, lots of people are into that type of activity, so it isn't something to dismiss outright. Crowley certainly was involved in that practice, I kind of think of it as being just another evolution of the trusty 'caveman's club' used to clobber one's foe or to clobber one's love interest, same mentality there, IMO. Have you watched YouKnowMyName231's video series, very interesting and thought provoking, kinda follows along with the tarot numerology, starting with 0 innocence. He also does a great JPM vocal impression. YKMN231's pageHere is someone else who, you might say, feels the same as you doedit, had wrong link- Think this poor guy might also feel as you do - Song by Tool
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 21, 2010 11:23:03 GMT -5
Yes. I read the book. And while I picked up a few interesting coincidences, I found no real 'enlightenment' from it. I see what a few people are referring to now when it comes to occult 'tip-offs' in media and a thousand more 'maybes.' But you know what? Not life changing. Not mind blowing. Because as much as some people on the boards accuse people of just throwing things out there 'willy nilly' and not being able to 'convict' Paul or the Beatles of their intentions because of 'lack of proof', that same 'lack of proof' is lacking in Hall's book. What is the evidence of these truths? And this comes right down to 'Case In Point.' I asked iameye to identify who he was and what he was doing here. I got 'I'm all of the above and none of the above.' Great. Allow me to return the favor: Who am I? What is my allegiance? I have allegiance and yet I have none. But here's a clue - Tree Dog Hump. And now here's a song by New Kids on The Block... wait for it --- look at 1:42---ah! Did you see it?!?! Can't get a straight answer EVER. Not publicly. Not privately. And you said 'ask better questions.' Really? So if I ask direct questions am I gonna get answers? Is Paul a Crowley follower? Why does he put the ram stuff in all of his albums? Is there a connection to Hermes? Is the apocalypse coming soon? Was Paul replaced? What's the Masonic connection? There. Direct questions. Didn't phrase them so openly because they've been asked countless times before to no avail. And do I expect direct answers now? Nope. I don't. Because you either don't have them, or that's just not the way whatever this is operates. Or maybe it's not part of the PROCESS. But let me say this: if this is part of a belief system, I think it speaks VOLUMES as to the very nature of it. Do I want to believe in something that can't be told to me straight? Can't be laid out and explained? Or do I want to believe in Something that makes sense 'cause and effect' wise? Something that transcends all races and backgrounds and cultures and time? Something where there's some actual 'proof' to back it up rather than just speculation and symbols and sigils and 'try again later' Magic 8-ball statements? Because a belief that is so guarded in secrecy that you can't explain it clearly and openly isn't fair, isn't right, isn't good and isn't worthwhile. And if and when 'the world ends in fire', searching NIR and Taf's blog online to see if Macca is Crowley's Messiah or he's heralding him isn't going to change anything. One more thing - when I mentioned the weird experiences I had after going through the ART series and the winged beatle series multiple times, and the weird oppression, nobody mentioned 'hey - get some help dude.' or 'that's not normal and not related to the Rotten Apple series' or even 'ah. That's a possible side effect. Here's what to do about it.' NOTHING. Again this speaks loud and clear as to the care and concern of the people linked to whatever THIS is. And the fact that it was just taken matter of factly? What does that tell you? Don't bother replying. I'm not coming back. I'm not reading the boards again. I'm done. But my parting statement is this. SOMETHING > NOTHING. I choose to believe in SOMETHING. truthwillsetyoufre, Your problem is expecting anything more than obscure non-answers from iameye, which is a bit like the frog expecting the scorpion to not sting him. (No offense, iameye ) Adjust your expectations, search for the answers in your own way, and reach your own conclusions. You're clearly a very bright person, and your perceptions don't require the validation of anyone, which is a good thing, because in the PID game, you won't get any external validation. I, for one, appreciate your input to the board so far. Stick around.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Nov 21, 2010 12:17:36 GMT -5
All we can give you is answers in songs.
Now for a relevant Fixx song
Red skies at night Wo oh oh oh oh Red skies at night Wo oh oh oh oh
Should have taken warning it's just People mourning Running, hiding, lost You can't find, find a place to go
Red skies at night Wo oh
Should have taken warning it's just People mourning Running, hiding, lost You can't find, find a place to go
Red skies at night Wo oh Red skies at night Wo oh oh
Someone's taking over And it look like they're aiming Right at you Someone said we'll be dead by morning Someone cries leaving
Red skies at night Wo oh oh
Matthew 16 (King James Version)
1The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
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Post by iameye on Nov 21, 2010 15:26:48 GMT -5
Wait a second, pdenny.....
Non answers? Obscure?
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Post by iameye on Nov 21, 2010 15:32:21 GMT -5
Ps
We validate parking.
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Post by B on Nov 21, 2010 16:49:42 GMT -5
Wait a second, pdenny..... Non answers? Obscure? Um... Say, isn't that Paul's guitarist at 00:12 - 00:16? And a Wings logo at the end? The Miss Piggy Show - Opening Credits www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbfAqYfW5L8(Will frog be back as Superman?)
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Post by B on Nov 21, 2010 22:19:38 GMT -5
ART interviews Phoney. (Sorry Mike)
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Post by iameye on Nov 21, 2010 22:41:29 GMT -5
Wait a second, pdenny..... Non answers? Obscure? Um... Say, isn't that Paul's guitarist at 00:12 - 00:16? And a Wings logo at the end? The Miss Piggy Show - Opening Credits www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbfAqYfW5L8(Will frog be back as Superman?)Yes, Frog will. Kermit, a given name of Irish origin meaning "without envy or jealousy. Still, It ain't easy being Green on Sesame Street. www.youtube.com/watch?v=or important, like a mountain He's got that going for him.
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Feb 14, 2011 16:25:59 GMT -5
i got into all this because i suspected the beatles were interested in magick beyond just "do what thou wilt". so for me paul being dead has always been a side issue. i've always been curious about the process church and guys like sun ra and have wondered about how important their influences have actually been.
that being said, iamaphoney sent me a login name and password to the website. i said i would send him $9.99 later that day and he sent me a message with a name and password just saying "iamaphoney doesnt want your money, he wants your soul."
not an incredible addition i know, but i thought it was a strange thing to say.
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Feb 14, 2011 17:16:59 GMT -5
this is magick theory: ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3eW0uRAP-Y a little mood music) the sun king: st sulpice during the sun kings reign. there was a coven that met at st. sulpice. they performed black masses to kill the king's wife. etc. fulcanelli. why is it unusual grimoires mention consecration? only a priest can consecrate ritual objects. it would mean that catholic priests were meant to practice these rituals. why are priests able to consecrate objects? because the pope is carrying on the lineage of christ from st peter. the anointing is the lineage, and the talisman would then be anointed by "christ". this is why "satanists" often steal objects from church. meaning they can set loose forces on the earth because they have the key to heaven. (the silver and gold keys) so what? the grimoires are following a protocol, they are abiding by the law that states that priests have been anointed by christ. if you dont believe in magick, then so be it. if you do, you realize the potential for very bad things to happen, because we have human beings purposefully defiling (corrupting) our intellect. i think it's necessary to mention rex mundi, the king of the earth. the church of the magedalene in rennes le chateau, the statue of asmodeus. the cathars believed that the world we live in is not the true world, that it is ruled by an ignorant cruel deity known as rex mundi. the gnostics believed the same thing and that this world (universe, existence...) was the result of a failed abortion and the present god is in fact her demon offspring. this god believes itself to be the true god. sophia pistis is the first. the hassidic jews have 613 commandments called the mitzfah (?) that they must follow. one of the laws is it is forbidden to reproduce any aspect of the human figure. (it makes me wonder they felt when st paul went to rome. not that he even had to go that far). but then you look at the image of christ and there it is. a man dying on a cross. you have YHVH, the hebrew deity and YHSVH the christian deity. notice how the S is placed in between the four letters. each letter is an element, so the S is the fifth element. Yahweh - YHVH - jehovah Joshua - YHSHVH - jesus (remember jesus is a latin name) im going to say something that i've come to understand after probably 2-3 years of studying this, and it might not make sense so you will have to really put on your thinking cap: there is a book called libbelus jesuitus that can be found on hermetics.org that has a prayer that describes christ dying on the cross. the concept that christ died on the cross as a sacrifice for human ignorance is important. he was crucified by his own people. (romans and jews). in the book the jesuits they describe his death in a way i had never considered. often times the death is protrayed as holy and righteous, and that christ knew what he was doing. but in this book the death is presented as the ultimate putrification. that god has been hung on a cross and left to die... but, think about the name YHVH, and the name YHSVH. consider christ was the light and the way and was in the spirit and all the things said about him. christ was the holy spirit. (lets not forget the tetrahedron: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield_of_the_Trinity ) so you have the spirit nailed to the cross. do you see it? YH - S - VH. but this crucifixtion was not beautiful, it was proof that mankind was lost and had no love of their creator. and even today there are people worshipping the creature, the creature is an idol to the creator, there is a break in the line of communication. i've spent years trying to really understand this mystery of christ but when i tell you that the templars with their skulls and their practicing involving coffins etc, it relates directly to what i am describing right now. when you realize that there have been atheist popes (like alexander VI) its very easy to see how a group like the beatles... "long, long, long" --- the beatles were magickians of the mmost ancient sense of the word. the sleight of hand is just the veil.
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Post by B on Feb 15, 2011 12:54:14 GMT -5
seasaltcaramel wrote: he sent me a message with a name and password just saying "iamaphoney doesnt want your money, he wants your soul."So much for iamaphoney's credibility.
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Feb 15, 2011 17:07:27 GMT -5
mind games...
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Post by linus on Jul 25, 2012 16:15:55 GMT -5
while you think that over green day
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