Anyone else think this is suspicious?

[multiverser]

O.K., so Rory Storm (Alan Caldwell) figures into Beatles history in several ways... of course Ringo came from Rory's group to replace Pete Best, George Harrison dated Rory's sister Iris, The Quarrymen as well as The Beatles used to hang out at Rory's house at the urging of Rory's mother Vi, who loved rock n' roll, then later Paul McCartney dated Iris, etc., etc. Needless to say, Rory, his sister, his mum, and all the Hurricanes were quite well acquainted with John, Paul, and Ringo going way back to the beginnings of it all. They were all close mates from school days.

Flash forward to 1967. Ty (Charles) O'Brien, aged 26, Rory's lead guitarist, collapses on stage during a Hurricanes performance and is never seen again. News reports said he died suddenly from a complication resulting from an appendectomy. So Rory immediately disbands the remaining members of the group and surprisingly, with no job search struggle at all, lands a nice paying job as a DJ in Amsterdam.

Flash forward, once again, to 1972. July 9, "Paul McCartney" and Wings begin the first ever Wings concert tour in France. In September, Rory goes home to Liverpool and is soon found dead, along with his mother Vi, from mysterious causes. The coroner found evidence of sleeping pills and booze in both bodies, but not enough to have killed either of them. The press floated a twist on Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet story, saying that they were both under the influence, but Vi awoke and seeing Rory in a state that convinced her he was dead when he actually wasn't, she killed herself in grief.

Now, I ask you. Is this whole thing as fishy as unwrapping a paper stuffed with Liverpudlian fish & chips?

Let's speculate, shall we? Lennon had nicked Ringo off Rory. After an "untimely death" in late 1966, Lennon went back to Rory's band looking for an accomplished guitarist. Why did he look among old school mates? Because he had to trust the source of where Faul came from and he had to know and trust Faul. He couldn't rely on strangers while he was 'fixing a hole' in the Beatles' line-up. He had known O'Brien from way back in The Quarrymen days. O'Brien knew all the same skiffle and Merseyside styles of playing and had the exact accent and dialect needed.

O'Brien would have to undergo plastic surgery, learn to play left-handed, and learn to mimic the voice and mannerisms of Paul, which he had already known, going back to school days. He could play lead and rhythm guitars and would not have much trouble playing bass. O'Brien's staged (staged on stage) "death" meant that O'Brien could be resurrected as Faul.

When Wings sets out on their first concert tour, perhaps Rory felt cheated. He had given Ringo to Lennon and then had to give up O'Brien. Although Lennon got him the DJ job in Amsterdam to remove him from the music scene in England, Rory may have thought that O'Brien leading a new band (Wings) on tour in what was the beginning of cashing in with live appearances was just too bloody much of a rip off. This could have been the 'last straw' for Rory and he and his mum may have been on the verge of going public with the whole story, so they were bumped off.

Remember all that goofy "Winston O'Boogie" reference Lennon used on album credits during his solo years? O'Boogie --- a sly hint meaning he controlled the secret of where Faul really came from --- O'Brien.

[seasaltcaramel]

Oct 3, 2012 23:54:41 GMT -5 multiverser said:

O.K., so Rory Storm (Alan Caldwell) figures into Beatles history in several ways... of course Ringo came from Rory's group to replace Pete Best, George Harrison dated Rory's sister Iris, The Quarrymen as well as The Beatles used to hang out at Rory's house at the urging of Rory's mother Vi, who loved rock n' roll, then later Paul McCartney dated Iris, etc., etc. Needless to say, Rory, his sister, his mum, and all the Hurricanes were quite well acquainted with John, Paul, and Ringo going way back to the beginnings of it all. They were all close mates from school days.

Flash forward to 1967. Ty (Charles) O'Brien, aged 26, Rory's lead guitarist, collapses on stage during a Hurricanes performance and is never seen again. News reports said he died suddenly from a complication resulting from an appendectomy. So Rory immediately disbands the remaining members of the group and surprisingly, with no job search struggle at all, lands a nice paying job as a DJ in Amsterdam.

Flash forward, once again, to 1972. July 9, "Paul McCartney" and Wings begin the first ever Wings concert tour in France. In September, Rory goes home to Liverpool and is soon found dead, along with his mother Vi, from mysterious causes. The coroner found evidence of sleeping pills and booze in both bodies, but not enough to have killed either of them. The press floated a twist on Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet story, saying that they were both under the influence, but Vi awoke and seeing Rory in a state that convinced her he was dead when he actually wasn't, she killed herself in grief.

Now, I ask you. Is this whole thing as fishy as unwrapping a paper stuffed with Liverpudlian fish & chips?

Let's speculate, shall we? Lennon had nicked Ringo off Rory. After an "untimely death" in late 1966, Lennon went back to Rory's band looking for an accomplished guitarist. Why did he look among old school mates? Because he had to trust the source of where Faul came from and he had to know and trust Faul. He couldn't rely on strangers while he was 'fixing a hole' in the Beatles' line-up. He had known O'Brien from way back in The Quarrymen days. O'Brien knew all the same skiffle and Merseyside styles of playing and had the exact accent and dialect needed.

O'Brien would have to undergo plastic surgery, learn to play left-handed, and learn to mimic the voice and mannerisms of Paul, which he had already known, going back to school days. He could play lead and rhythm guitars and would not have much trouble playing bass. O'Brien's staged (staged on stage) "death" meant that O'Brien could be resurrected as Faul.

When Wings sets out on their first concert tour, perhaps Rory felt cheated. He had given Ringo to Lennon and then had to give up O'Brien. Although Lennon got him the DJ job in Amsterdam to remove him from the music scene in England, Rory may have thought that O'Brien leading a new band (Wings) on tour in what was the beginning of cashing in with live appearances was just too bloody much of a rip off. This could have been the 'last straw' for Rory and he and his mum may have been on the verge of going public with the whole story, so they were bumped off.

Remember all that goofy "Winston O'Boogie" reference Lennon used on album credits during his solo years? O'Boogie --- a sly hint meaning he controlled the secret of where Faul really came from --- O'Brien.

the boogie thing came from alf who does have a lovely voice. there is one of these in every paragraph. rories mother's name is 6. this is totally unrelated to this post and this thread but concerns all of us. have you ever tried playing the bass left handed if you are right handed? its creepy B can edit our posts.

what if the next in line is a fascist?

[beacon]

Rory Storm's sister, Iris, also dated both George and Paul and, bizarely, Rory's mother would apparently comb Paul's sweaty legs after gigs!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19800059

Here is Rory and his Mum

Here is Rory and Paul

It's possible that Rory might be my yellow arrow guy? Not convinced though.


Apparently the Hurricanes guitarist, Lu Walters, has also disappeared!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19395832
There seem to be lots of these stories floating around given the 50th anniversary and Bill Harry seems to a source of a lot of stuff.

I wonder if Bill Harry may also have been Billy Shepherd, the Beatles monthly writer as opposed to the session musician and Bee Gees producer?

[linus]

Wasn’t Faul supposed to have taken over in the fall of ’66?
I can’t find a specific date for O’Brien’s death, but this article says it was during the summer of ‘67
louderthanwar.com/rory-storm-and-the-hurricanes-a-retrospective/























He looks a little like Buddy Holly.

[cherilyn7]

Certainly mysterious; however this guy looks nothing like Paul. Rory Storm was supposed to be more popular than the Beatles in Liverpool but never became famous & wasn't even snapped up by Brian Epstein.

[LOVELYRITA]

Dig those hairstyles! Gee, I'm surprised that this wasn't more popular than the "mop tops"....That's something like a combover meets Elvis in a "hurricane"...

[artoflife]

Oct 3, 2012 23:54:41 GMT -5 multiverser said:

O.K., so Rory Storm (Alan Caldwell) figures into Beatles history in several ways... of course Ringo came from Rory's group to replace Pete Best, George Harrison dated Rory's sister Iris, The Quarrymen as well as The Beatles used to hang out at Rory's house at the urging of Rory's mother Vi, who loved rock n' roll, then later Paul McCartney dated Iris, etc., etc. Needless to say, Rory, his sister, his mum, and all the Hurricanes were quite well acquainted with John, Paul, and Ringo going way back to the beginnings of it all. They were all close mates from school days.

Flash forward to 1967. Ty (Charles) O'Brien, aged 26, Rory's lead guitarist, collapses on stage during a Hurricanes performance and is never seen again. News reports said he died suddenly from a complication resulting from an appendectomy. So Rory immediately disbands the remaining members of the group and surprisingly, with no job search struggle at all, lands a nice paying job as a DJ in Amsterdam.

Flash forward, once again, to 1972. July 9, "Paul McCartney" and Wings begin the first ever Wings concert tour in France. In September, Rory goes home to Liverpool and is soon found dead, along with his mother Vi, from mysterious causes. The coroner found evidence of sleeping pills and booze in both bodies, but not enough to have killed either of them. The press floated a twist on Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet story, saying that they were both under the influence, but Vi awoke and seeing Rory in a state that convinced her he was dead when he actually wasn't, she killed herself in grief.

Now, I ask you. Is this whole thing as fishy as unwrapping a paper stuffed with Liverpudlian fish & chips?

Let's speculate, shall we? Lennon had nicked Ringo off Rory. After an "untimely death" in late 1966, Lennon went back to Rory's band looking for an accomplished guitarist. Why did he look among old school mates? Because he had to trust the source of where Faul came from and he had to know and trust Faul. He couldn't rely on strangers while he was 'fixing a hole' in the Beatles' line-up. He had known O'Brien from way back in The Quarrymen days. O'Brien knew all the same skiffle and Merseyside styles of playing and had the exact accent and dialect needed.

O'Brien would have to undergo plastic surgery, learn to play left-handed, and learn to mimic the voice and mannerisms of Paul, which he had already known, going back to school days. He could play lead and rhythm guitars and would not have much trouble playing bass. O'Brien's staged (staged on stage) "death" meant that O'Brien could be resurrected as Faul.

When Wings sets out on their first concert tour, perhaps Rory felt cheated. He had given Ringo to Lennon and then had to give up O'Brien. Although Lennon got him the DJ job in Amsterdam to remove him from the music scene in England, Rory may have thought that O'Brien leading a new band (Wings) on tour in what was the beginning of cashing in with live appearances was just too bloody much of a rip off. This could have been the 'last straw' for Rory and he and his mum may have been on the verge of going public with the whole story, so they were bumped off.

Remember all that goofy "Winston O'Boogie" reference Lennon used on album credits during his solo years? O'Boogie --- a sly hint meaning he controlled the secret of where Faul really came from --- O'Brien.

I'm related to the late Charles "Ty" O'Brien and I came across this thread while I was browsing information online about Rory Storm. I'd hope that you are not serious with your conspiracy theory because that is all it really is and nothing more. Ty died in hospital at 26 through blood poisoning related to a duodenal ulcer. My family knew Rory, his family, and most of the people in that social circle during those times. Out of respect for my family, I'd appreciate it if you did not conjure up silly stories about him.

[B]

Hello artoflife. Welcome to the board.

No one here intends any disrespect to you or your extended family.
The nature of this board, however, is speculation about the possibilities of how a replacement
for Paul McCartney may have been brought about, and nothing is off the table for discussion here,
as long as it is clear that what is being said is speculation.

Our poster multiverser did not state, as if it were a definitely a fact, that Charles "Ty" O'Brien
became the new Paul McCartney.
In fact, he quite clearly wrote: "Let's speculate, shall we?" in his post.
So it is quite clear that he is not saying that what he has imagined is, in fact, the unequivocal
truth of the matter.

And what he wrote may be a "conspiracy theory... [and]... that is all it really is", as you have stated.
It may very well even be "a silly story", as you have opined.
But then again, that may be obvious to you, while to the rest of us,
it may have seemed a scenario worth pondering.

You could have, then, simply informed us as to why it would be silly to entertain such a
notion, rather than disdainfully condemning multiserver for daring to speculate
about a possible scenario involving one of your esteemed relatives.

We do, of course, appreciate your statement regarding Ty's death and unfortunate passing.

I'd appreciate it if you would refrain, in any future posts, from faulting anyone on this board
for using it for the purpose for which it exists.

[artoflife]

Feb 22, 2013 20:42:53 GMT -5 B said:

Hello artoflife. Welcome to the board.

No one here intends any disrespect to you or your extended family.
The nature of this board, however, is speculation about the possibilities of how a replacement
for Paul McCartney may have been brought about, and nothing is off the table for discussion here,
as long as it is clear that what is being said is speculation.

Our poster multiverser did not state, as if it were a definitely a fact, that Charles "Ty" O'Brien
became the new Paul McCartney.
In fact, he quite clearly wrote: "Let's speculate, shall we?" in his post.
So it is quite clear that he is not saying that what he has imagined is, in fact, the unequivocal
truth of the matter.

And what he wrote may be a "conspiracy theory... [and]... that is all it really is", as you have stated.
It may very well even be "a silly story", as you have opined.
But then again, that may be obvious to you, while to the rest of us,
it may have seemed a scenario worth pondering.

You could have, then, simply informed us as to why it would be silly to entertain such a
notion, rather than disdainfully condemning multiserver for daring to speculate
about a possible scenario involving one of your esteemed relatives.

We do, of course, appreciate your statement regarding Ty's death and unfortunate passing.

I'd appreciate it if you would refrain, in any future posts, from faulting anyone on this board
for using it for the purpose for which it exists.

Thanks for the welcome,

I don't mean harm in replying to what multiverser said as much as he doesn't mean harm in commenting/playing around with history. It's a bit foolish to try and argue against people on a forum dedicated to the belief that McCartney actually died, however, I hope that the FACTS I have provided about Ty will squander anymore speculation, even if that's all it is, about them. I can try to answer any questions as best as possible regarding these events including the Beatles at the time.

Since this board is about expressing opinion, here's mine. All of these theories are doctored and were started in colleges in the United States; do you really think that they would be able to hide from the world his death, meanwhile, hire another man who looks just like him, sounds just like him, with the same talents? Come off it!

[thefreakatdornish]

Feb 25, 2013 0:08:16 GMT -5 artoflife said:

Feb 22, 2013 20:42:53 GMT -5 B said:

Hello artoflife. Welcome to the board.

No one here intends any disrespect to you or your extended family.
The nature of this board, however, is speculation about the possibilities of how a replacement
for Paul McCartney may have been brought about, and nothing is off the table for discussion here,
as long as it is clear that what is being said is speculation.

Our poster multiverser did not state, as if it were a definitely a fact, that Charles "Ty" O'Brien
became the new Paul McCartney.
In fact, he quite clearly wrote: "Let's speculate, shall we?" in his post.
So it is quite clear that he is not saying that what he has imagined is, in fact, the unequivocal
truth of the matter.

And what he wrote may be a "conspiracy theory... [and]... that is all it really is", as you have stated.
It may very well even be "a silly story", as you have opined.
But then again, that may be obvious to you, while to the rest of us,
it may have seemed a scenario worth pondering.

You could have, then, simply informed us as to why it would be silly to entertain such a
notion, rather than disdainfully condemning multiserver for daring to speculate
about a possible scenario involving one of your esteemed relatives.

We do, of course, appreciate your statement regarding Ty's death and unfortunate passing.

I'd appreciate it if you would refrain, in any future posts, from faulting anyone on this board
for using it for the purpose for which it exists.

Thanks for the welcome,

I don't mean harm in replying to what multiverser said as much as he doesn't mean harm in commenting/playing around with history. It's a bit foolish to try and argue against people on a forum dedicated to the belief that McCartney actually died, however, I hope that the FACTS I have provided about Ty will squander anymore speculation, even if that's all it is, about them. I can try to answer any questions as best as possible regarding these events including the Beatles at the time.

Since this board is about expressing opinion, here's mine. All of these theories are doctored and were started in colleges in the United States; do you really think that they would be able to hide from the world his death, meanwhile, hire another man who looks just like him, sounds just like him, with the same talents? Come off it!

Goodbye Surfing, Hello God!

The Religious Conversion of the Beach Boys

By JULES SIEGEL

Originally appeared in Cheetah, October 1967. Copyright Jules Siegel © 1967, 1999

It was just another day of greatness at Gold Star Recording Studios on Santa Monica Boulevard in Hollywood. In the morning four long-haired kids had knocked out two hours of sound for a record plugger who was trying to curry favor with a disk jockey friend of theirs in San Jose. Nobody knew it at the moment, but out of that two hours there were about three minutes that would hit the top of the charts in a few weeks, and the record plugger, the disk jockey and the kids would all be hailed as geniuses, but geniuses with a very small g.

Now, however, in the very same studio a Genius with a very large capital G was going to produce a hit. There was no doubt it would be a hit because this Genius was Brian Wilson. In four years of recording for Capitol Records, he and his group, the Beach Boys, had made surfing music a national craze, sold 16 million singles and earned gold records for 10 of their 12 albums.

Not only was Brian going to produce a hit, but also, one gathered, he was going to show everybody in the music business exactly where it was at; and where it was at, it seemed, was that Brian Wilson was not merely a Genius—which is to say a steady commercial success—but rather, like Bob Dylan and John Lennon, a GENIUS—which is to say a steady commercial success and hip besides.

Until now, though, there were not too many hip people who would have considered Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys hip, even though he had produced one very hip record, "Good Vibrations," which had sold more than a million copies, and a super-hit album, Pet Sounds, which didn't do very well at all—by previous Beach Boys sales standards. Among the hip people he was still on trial, and the question discussed earnestly among the recognized authorities on what is and what is not hip was whether or not Brian Wilson was hip, semi-hip or square.

But walking into the control room with the answers to all questions such as this was Brian Wilson himself, wearing a competition-stripe surfer's T-shirt, tight white duck pants, pale green bowling shoes and a red plastic fireman's helmet.

Everybody was wearing identical red plastic toy fireman's helmets. Brian's cousin and production assistant, Steve Korthoff was wearing one; his wife, Marilyn, and her sister, Diane Rovelle—Brian's secretary—were also wearing them, and so was a once-dignified writer from The Saturday Evening Post who had been following Brian around for two months.



news.yahoo.com/john-lennon-wanted-drill-hole-head-according-astonishing-052631986.html

[artoflife]

Feb 25, 2013 7:49:25 GMT -5 thefreakatdornish said:

Feb 25, 2013 0:08:16 GMT -5 artoflife said:

Thanks for the welcome,

I don't mean harm in replying to what multiverser said as much as he doesn't mean harm in commenting/playing around with history. It's a bit foolish to try and argue against people on a forum dedicated to the belief that McCartney actually died, however, I hope that the FACTS I have provided about Ty will squander anymore speculation, even if that's all it is, about them. I can try to answer any questions as best as possible regarding these events including the Beatles at the time.

Since this board is about expressing opinion, here's mine. All of these theories are doctored and were started in colleges in the United States; do you really think that they would be able to hide from the world his death, meanwhile, hire another man who looks just like him, sounds just like him, with the same talents? Come off it!

Goodbye Surfing, Hello God!

The Religious Conversion of the Beach Boys

By JULES SIEGEL

Originally appeared in Cheetah, October 1967. Copyright Jules Siegel © 1967, 1999

It was just another day of greatness at Gold Star Recording Studios on Santa Monica Boulevard in Hollywood. In the morning four long-haired kids had knocked out two hours of sound for a record plugger who was trying to curry favor with a disk jockey friend of theirs in San Jose. Nobody knew it at the moment, but out of that two hours there were about three minutes that would hit the top of the charts in a few weeks, and the record plugger, the disk jockey and the kids would all be hailed as geniuses, but geniuses with a very small g.

Now, however, in the very same studio a Genius with a very large capital G was going to produce a hit. There was no doubt it would be a hit because this Genius was Brian Wilson. In four years of recording for Capitol Records, he and his group, the Beach Boys, had made surfing music a national craze, sold 16 million singles and earned gold records for 10 of their 12 albums.

Not only was Brian going to produce a hit, but also, one gathered, he was going to show everybody in the music business exactly where it was at; and where it was at, it seemed, was that Brian Wilson was not merely a Genius—which is to say a steady commercial success—but rather, like Bob Dylan and John Lennon, a GENIUS—which is to say a steady commercial success and hip besides.

Until now, though, there were not too many hip people who would have considered Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys hip, even though he had produced one very hip record, "Good Vibrations," which had sold more than a million copies, and a super-hit album, Pet Sounds, which didn't do very well at all—by previous Beach Boys sales standards. Among the hip people he was still on trial, and the question discussed earnestly among the recognized authorities on what is and what is not hip was whether or not Brian Wilson was hip, semi-hip or square.

But walking into the control room with the answers to all questions such as this was Brian Wilson himself, wearing a competition-stripe surfer's T-shirt, tight white duck pants, pale green bowling shoes and a red plastic fireman's helmet.

Everybody was wearing identical red plastic toy fireman's helmets. Brian's cousin and production assistant, Steve Korthoff was wearing one; his wife, Marilyn, and her sister, Diane Rovelle—Brian's secretary—were also wearing them, and so was a once-dignified writer from The Saturday Evening Post who had been following Brian around for two months.



news.yahoo.com/john-lennon-wanted-drill-hole-head-according-astonishing-052631986.html

Not really sure how this relates to this topic of this thread. Also, that video loses so much credibility due to how over-edited it is.

[ekauqodielak]

Lu Walters looks, to me, like an older version of the original Eric Clapton.


beatlesliverpoollocations.blogspot.com/2016/07/come-once-and-youre-regular-patron.html

[ekauqodielak]

Feb 25, 2013 7:49:25 GMT -5 thefreakatdornish said:

Goodbye Surfing, Hello God!

The Religious Conversion of the Beach Boys

By JULES SIEGEL

Originally appeared in Cheetah, October 1967. Copyright Jules Siegel © 1967, 1999

It was just another day of greatness at Gold Star Recording Studios on Santa Monica Boulevard in Hollywood. In the morning four long-haired kids had knocked out two hours of sound for a record plugger who was trying to curry favor with a disk jockey friend of theirs in San Jose. Nobody knew it at the moment, but out of that two hours there were about three minutes that would hit the top of the charts in a few weeks, and the record plugger, the disk jockey and the kids would all be hailed as geniuses, but geniuses with a very small g.

Now, however, in the very same studio a Genius with a very large capital G was going to produce a hit. There was no doubt it would be a hit because this Genius was Brian Wilson. In four years of recording for Capitol Records, he and his group, the Beach Boys, had made surfing music a national craze, sold 16 million singles and earned gold records for 10 of their 12 albums.

Not only was Brian going to produce a hit, but also, one gathered, he was going to show everybody in the music business exactly where it was at; and where it was at, it seemed, was that Brian Wilson was not merely a Genius—which is to say a steady commercial success—but rather, like Bob Dylan and John Lennon, a GENIUS—which is to say a steady commercial success and hip besides.

Until now, though, there were not too many hip people who would have considered Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys hip, even though he had produced one very hip record, "Good Vibrations," which had sold more than a million copies, and a super-hit album, Pet Sounds, which didn't do very well at all—by previous Beach Boys sales standards. Among the hip people he was still on trial, and the question discussed earnestly among the recognized authorities on what is and what is not hip was whether or not Brian Wilson was hip, semi-hip or square.

But walking into the control room with the answers to all questions such as this was Brian Wilson himself, wearing a competition-stripe surfer's T-shirt, tight white duck pants, pale green bowling shoes and a red plastic fireman's helmet.

Everybody was wearing identical red plastic toy fireman's helmets. Brian's cousin and production assistant, Steve Korthoff was wearing one; his wife, Marilyn, and her sister, Diane Rovelle—Brian's secretary—were also wearing them, and so was a once-dignified writer from The Saturday Evening Post who had been following Brian around for two months.



news.yahoo.com/john-lennon-wanted-drill-hole-head-according-astonishing-052631986.html

The Fireman