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Post by NothingIsReal1985 on Oct 24, 2013 17:06:39 GMT -5
Things brings out the real point I try to make when showing images of 'Paul' using his right hand. That PIDers extend certain courtesies to 'Paul', but hold a double-standard and do not extend the same courtesies post-66. There has not been one instance that I'm aware of that shows any Paul using his right hand to write or play guitar - that wasn't flipped. Be sure to look for things like, shirt buttons, lip scar, hair part, writing, pick guard, lower left eye, etc. Often, many PIDers see an image of, say, 'Faul' holding a pitch pipe in his right hand and say, "See, this proves Paulie died!" But when shown images of 'Paulie' batting, drinking, pouring, slicing cakes, lighitng lighters etc. etc. etc. right-handed, they say, "Oh, that's normal." There is no evidence that any P/Faul is or was right-handed, per se. Although ambidextrous-ness seems to run through his entire career. I can also understand how Ringo (as well as Miley Cyrus, who was born left-handed, but her lefty father taught her to be right-handed) had to make the switch, as well. TBH I've been using my secondary hand since the 8th grade when I was (14 years ago) & hung out w/ a left-handed classmate, which inspired me to do so. I've actually improved on it and use the computer mouse w/ my left hand (I went to my PC's Control Panel adjusted the functions to suit my left hand, so there's hope for you lefties using the mouse who want to make the switch). As a right-handed pianist that play most of the notes w/ my right hand (most of the time), my right hand isn't as flexible as my left and the tendons in my index and middle fingers tend to tense up and ache, so I must give them a break by doing certain tasks w/ my left. There's also certain activities I feel more comfortable doing with my left hand, whether instinctively or by habit. 1.  2.  Does he HONESTLY think he looks good in this photo? Look at his tiny head and big, boat feet. I'm guessing it's w/ a concave lens, 'nuff said. Anyway, as you can plainly see, he's brandishing a right-handed Höfner bass. Just look at the knobs in the above & below images. He looks awful smug and provocative in the above picture.  3.  In the above photo Faul is holding the Höfner w/ a right-handed tendency. Well, I guess we'll never know which hand Faul favours, but he gives us (subtle) clues sometimes, like these photos: On top of that, even b/f I read this on Wiki years ago -- I found that left-handers are "right-handed" to a certain extent. Although JPM was a leftie and claimed to not have much use for his less-dominant hand it was not like it just hung there idly. Perhaps he used his right hand unknowingly, either outta habit or instinctively. Paul batted w/ his right and Ringo batted w/ his left, ironically. Everyone is different. |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Oct 24, 2013 18:19:08 GMT -5
What large, unattractive feet! Why would anyone conscious of their image want to pose like that? Why is Faul so often photographed with bare feet? Or sometimes wearing strange shoes like "ballet pumps"?
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Post by linus on Oct 24, 2013 19:07:19 GMT -5
Seems the string to our right is the thickest, putting the E - A - D - G string sequence in the left-hander's order. For whatever reason, he has a righty Hofner with the strings re-strung for a lefty. Hendrix did that with his guitars.  There has not been one instance that I'm aware of that shows any Paul using his right hand to write or play guitar - that wasn't flipped. Be sure to look for things like, shirt buttons, lip scar, hair part, writing, pick guard, lower left eye, etc. Bearing in mind that I, and every guitarist I've known, noodles around with the guitar flipped the other way from time to time. But I still haven't even seen him do that. Him Performing live or during a recording would be claws for alarm. |
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Post by hotman637 on Oct 25, 2013 17:08:25 GMT -5
What large, unattractive feet! Why would anyone conscious of their image want to pose like that? Why is Faul so often photographed with bare feet? Or sometimes wearing strange shoes like "ballet pumps"? Because Faul is a hillbilly! |
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Post by hotman637 on Oct 25, 2013 17:22:34 GMT -5
I often light lighters w/ my left hand (although I'm right-handed). So it's not like my less dominant hand just limply and idly hangs to my side, useless. So it's safe to say that I'm ambidextrous.  So I can understand how Faul (who's actually right-handed) had to make the switch. This brings out the real point I try to make when showing images of 'Paul' using his right hand: That PIDers extend certain courtesies to 'Paul', but hold a double-standard and do not extend the same courtesies post-66. There has not been one instance that I'm aware of that shows any Paul using his right hand to write or play guitar - that wasn't flipped. Be sure to look for things like, shirt buttons, lip scar, hair part, writing, pick guard, lower left eye, etc. Often, when some see an image of, say, 'Faul' holding a pitch pipe in his right hand, they say, "See, this proves Paulie died!" But when shown images of 'Paulie' batting, drinking, pouring, slicing cakes, lighitng lighters etc. etc. etc. right-handed, they say, "Oh, that's normal." There is no evidence that any P/Faul is or was right-handed, per se. Although ambidextrous-ness seems to run through the entire McCartney career. There is no PROOF any Paul/Faul was right handed but there is EVIDENCE that Faul is right handed because he constantly looks at his hands as he plays the bass and Paul does not. Of course this does not prove anything as it can be faked. |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Oct 25, 2013 18:50:16 GMT -5
JPM had a left hand bass as he was left handed (for playing guitar anyway). However, for me, a dead giveaway was how Bill/Faul played piano much of the time (which he did not when with The Beatles). Also, in many videos the camera looks over the top of the piano, thereby hiding the hands of the player (a trick often done in films and melodramas of yesteryear). Also, look at the "Hello, Goodbye" video and it is very obvious (as well as the sudden change of make of guitar) that Bill does not know where to put his hands. He constantly looks at his fingers when playing bass as he is not the accomplished bassist that JPM was who also had the fantastic chemistry with John Lennon.
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Post by linus on Oct 25, 2013 19:32:06 GMT -5
I don't recall ever seeing JPM playing piano (that was always John, also harpsichord). After late sixties "Paul" plays piano more than bass. He also at first changed from his Hofner bass to a different type (as in Hello, Goodbye video). Title of song says it all (they're telling us!) Paul with Rickenbacker bass. Revolver recording sessions     1966 tour  Paul on piano   go to 1:37 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 22:27:23 GMT -5
What large, unattractive feet! Why would anyone conscious of their image want to pose like that? Why is Faul so often photographed with bare feet? Or sometimes wearing strange shoes like "ballet pumps"? Because Faul is a hillbilly! |
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Post by Jude on Oct 26, 2013 12:34:24 GMT -5
He constantly looks at his fingers when playing bass as he is not the accomplished bassist that JPM was who also had the fantastic chemistry with John Lennon. Paul also occasionally looked at his bass during performances in a A Hard Day's Night. It doesn't mean anything. And I don't think this guy goofing around with John in this Hello Goodbye promotional video has what I'd call poor chemistry with him: |
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Post by linus on Oct 26, 2013 14:27:53 GMT -5
"Constantly", "never", and "clearly obvious" are strong words. Let's try to establish a fair assessment of the playing styles. In the Hello Goodbye video, I see him look at his hands a grand total of 5 times, and 3 of those are during the last 10 seconds of the song (excluding the outro). And when he’s not looking at his hands, he’s doing a fine job, going for long intervals without looking. He even stomps for awhile, without looking at his hands, which would require even more concentration. (which also adds to what Jude said about he & John dancing at the end. They also stomp together in unison). But most of all, bearing in mind this is not a live performance and it doesn’t matter if he’s hitting the right notes. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZ8ulc5NTgalternate take. I see him do it twice, maybe half a third time, here. Once is when going from the very end of the neck to the middle, which would require just about anyone the need to look. www.youtube.com/watch?v=suEUPQFSJm01969 live rooftop concert, tearing it up with nary an unnecessary hand-look. Not even during the intro to I Dig A Pony, which is quite a complex. That’s quite a feat. The rest of the song features lots of spacious walk-downs, that would understandably require some looks. At 6:35 he repeats the entire intro sequence without looking, not counting looking at the fret board to start the riff after a one measure of rest. And I don’t see one look during Get Back. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFJFsyAAoZ4I don’t know how many people here know how to play the bass lines to Beatles songs, but most of them, particularly the ones after Help! are quite intricate though they’re mostly 3rds & 5ths bluesy riffs, which wouldn’t require much looking. By 1967 the bass lines became more intricate, and the ones they performed on the roof in 1969 are no exception. I spent two years learning to play every Beatles song on guitar, bass and piano. I got most of them down, but one of the few that I just could not get was the bass line to Hello Goodbye. And that was after two years! There’s a lot of mind-bending pretzel twists in that bass line. Frankly, I'm astounded at how well he performs it in the promo film.What I think many people don’t realize is that a lot of Beatles & Wings bass lines are often times essentially similar to lead guitar solos. Taking into account he 'wrote' it, I’m still not surprised that he’d have to look at his fret board a handful of times on Hello Goodbye, especially when considering it was only approximately a few months old at that time. You’d think if Paul was replaced by someone "that couldn’t play as well as Paul", they would make sure the bass lines were simplistic enough so that if he ever did perform them live, he could do it easily. Unfortunately, they didn’t play these songs during the Beatlemania years, and we can’t compare how a pre-67 Paul would’ve performed them. I know they did a lot of things to perpetuate the PID mythos, (and as Hotman said, things can be faked), and the ‘looking at the fret board’ argument has a bit of merit, but as it seems to me, gets exaggerated. Not saying it’s not there. But forcing a ‘never’ vs. ‘constantly’ comparison is stretching it.  The first Beatlemania performance I found, I see him make an awkward hand-look at 0:20, and a few more times after that, though I only watched the first minute. He also does a strange rubbery dance thing with his leg I’ve never seen before. In this performance of Help! we see what could be considered a little bit more ‘constantly looking at his hands’. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H9bOLgez38www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfmorKQi2ZMAlso, John forgets the words, doesn’t that mean it’s the replacement? Another thing I found odd, is that after 2+ years of playing for hours every night in Hamburg, Paul hadn't established a consistent playing style by 1964. Here Paul plays by plucking the strings with his thumb, with his elbow tucked in and his guitar angled out. Sloppy and awkward stage presence. This a performance of I Wanna Be Your Man in 1964 during the Big Night Out show on TV. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNis0oxrJ7k The Paul in this video has the same stage presence and awkward performance style. Here they are performing Twist And Shout and She Loves You.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyXO5p74pEIThis is the Paul with the droopy, detached right earlobe. jojoplace.org/Shoebox/James_Paul_McCartney.org/TwistandShout2.jpgHere is the performance of She Loves You at the Royal Variety Show during the same time frame. Different performance styles. Here he is finger-plucking or using a pick by the pick-ups.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6F9CHh_mNoAnd here they're playing She Loves You in Sweden. More refined and confident.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W3uV9lwra0During this performance of Twist & Shout he plucks by the pickups, and during She Loves You he plucks with his fingers up by the neck. This Paul has a big head and narrow chin, and a bigger Adam's Apple than usual.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeDrgNUXxz4Here at 3:30 he messes up badly twice and not only looks at his guitar, but grimaces. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qMNE3TZGtAI feel as though this angle has been blown out of proportion. 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Post by linus on Oct 26, 2013 14:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by cherilyn7 on Oct 26, 2013 17:12:59 GMT -5
I am going to conduct a thorough and unbiased investigation into it. quote Linus
Well it is looking like there was more than one individual posing as "Paul McCartney" going way back. "Thankyou Paul that was just like him!" (John Lennon's words) says it all. I look forward to your detailed investigation into this phenomenon (as always)
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Post by ticket2ride on Oct 28, 2013 8:41:24 GMT -5
Thank you Walrus, I am enjoying this thread and I understand the basis for the points you're making. Strokes are complex conditions that can occur at a range of ages and certainly the drug taking of the young Beatles in Hamburg, uppers and downers, could have done untold damage to their health.
However, I have to agree with Cheryl's point about 'various' Paul McCartneys - apparently. He does differ markedly in appearance from the Hamburg days to Sgt Pepper Days and then beyond.
I am less certain about PID than many others but I think it is possible especially when we see changes from Paul's re-appearance after a hiatus before which he was last seen at the Melody Maker awards. From that period a number of widely circulated photos show Paul with pinched nostrils and a thinner nose with curvature that is absent in Paul from the Love Me Do period up to the Melody Maker awards.
Why would plastic surgery for a stroke (possible I think) also involve changing Paul's nose from a broader one with different nostrils to the one that appears in many post Pepper album photos of the man called Paul McCartney?
I find the different looking Paul in the Pepper period and just after especially noticeable in the Hello Goodbye video where there is an oddness about him. It looks like he is almost seeking validation from George and John and the feeling in the video is they are encouraging him. It could be the aftermath of a stroke and his recovery but why would his nose be reconstructed? He didn't do that much coke before then, did he? He suddenly apppears taller and if it is simply lifts in his shoes, why?
It is clear now the Beatles heights were exaggerated as part of the image - a fair assessment of their heights from numerous photos and films is that the 3 guitarists were around 5 feet 8 and a half to 5 feet 9, possibly 5 feet 10 in John's case, with Ringo checking in at probably around 5 feet 7, and that was normal for the average height of men in Britain at that time. The exaggerated heights in their publicity were simply part of the image. But the new height of Pepper Paul is very noticeable.
There is also the matter of the more pronounced cleft in Paul's chin. It seems to come later and then varies depending on the photo. I had a slight cleft in my chin when I was younger and it seems to have decreased from my 20s onwards. Paul McCartney's cleft chin is very noticeable post Pepper but at other times it seems not so pronounced. Why would he have plastic surgery to enhance the cleft in his chin? A cleft that seems to be diminishing in some photos then comes back in others.
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Post by linus on Oct 28, 2013 14:48:22 GMT -5
Vintage album covers, with cleft chin.  The Miss Him forum doesn't seem to understand what vintage means. I'm sure most people here do, but just in case; it means not doctored to look like 'Faul'!And I still haven't seen any evidence that Paul's height suddenly changed in late-66. It seems to remain consistent from 1964 onward. The only sudden change in height I see is in 1963, when it fluctuates wildly for a few months, as does George's at that same time. Feel free to peruse my posts on this thread. Not only does it illustrate my points, but it debunks all the staggeringly unthorough PID height "presentations". (these are just some of the examples).invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1968/stuart-grays-documentary?page=2Backside of another vintage album cover  Paul not even wearing shoes or sandals in this photo session, but see how he is 4-6 inches taller than Ringo. A Paul that towers over Ringo, (no cleft chin). Here's photo that was shot by a fan in 1965. Again, Paul towering over Ringo.  Link to fan photo blog of this post. meetthebeatlesforreal.blogspot.com/2013/10/help.htmlAlso notice the upturned beetle. (Another early PID clue?) Can somebody show me nose comparisons, with thinner nostrils? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 15:11:57 GMT -5
Can somebody show me nose comparisons, with thinner nostrils?  vintage (n.) mid-15c., "harvest of grapes, yield of wine from a vineyard," from Anglo-French vintage (mid-14c.), from Old French vendage "yield from a vineyard," from Latin vindemia "a gathering of grapes, yield of grapes'' Time to stomp some grapes. |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Oct 28, 2013 17:10:14 GMT -5
ticket2ride, in all the fan magazines/biographies of the height of Beatlemania, it was stated that John, Paul and George were all 5'11" tall and Ringo 5'8" (hence the mystery of the different heights in photos throughout the 'sixties).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 17:56:24 GMT -5
ticket2ride, in all the fan magazines/biographies of the height of Beatlemania, it was stated that John, Paul and George were all 5'11" tall and Ringo 5'8" (hence the mystery of the different heights in photos throughout the 'sixties). uh. whatever. www.celebheights.com/s/Paul-McCartney-699.html |
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Post by NothingIsReal1985 on Nov 1, 2013 13:10:08 GMT -5
Seems the string to our right is the thickest, putting the E - A - D - G string sequence in the left-hander's order. For whatever reason, he has a righty Hofner with the strings re-strung for a lefty. Hendrix did that with his guitars. Wow... I didn't know that. But then again, w/ all the clout he has, he could have found a lefty Höfner bass. Perhaps he's subtly sending us a message, most likely. Talk about subliminal messaging! *MAJOR eye-roll* |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Nov 1, 2013 16:42:17 GMT -5
The photo above on the beach (posted by Linus) once again shows "Paul" with bare feet; although they are on the beach, the others are wearing shoes/socks. Why is it always Paul who has no shoes? Also, invariably wearing different clothes to the others, i.e. he has the short sleeved black tee shirt whilst the other three wear long sleeved shirts even though they are on the beach. Also, in many publicity shots "Paul" is holding a cigarette (going back to 1962)....
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Post by multiverser on Feb 26, 2014 19:51:42 GMT -5
Cool thread, but I'm not buying the stroke argument. A photo of a pin in his face wouldn't have been taken or released. You're saying they posed for a P.R. photo shoot with Paul having a steel pin hanging out of his face? Please.
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Post by simpleman on Mar 20, 2014 18:43:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the surgical scars that are evident on Paul's face are not from a stroke, but from a head injury sustained in the much speculated auto accident? Paul may have been too severely injured to continue publicly as Paul (although not to record) leading to a string of replacements to fill his role as he recovered (or didn't fully recover). Having false teeth and a cosmetic ear might explain the minor changes in his appearance as well. I remember hearing a quote by Lennon that "Elvis died when he went in the Army", referring to the change in Elvis' persona and playing style - I am wondering if that was the "Paul is Dead" he was referring to in the PID messages?
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Post by cherilyn7 on Mar 28, 2014 17:11:55 GMT -5
There is a theory that Elvis was indeed, replaced/disappeared/died around the time of going in the army.....
These scars, pins, etc do not explain car/moped accidents due to the fact that there were multiple Pauls starting from 1959 in Hamburg.
In my opinion, different actors/imposters/session musicians, whatever, were playing the part of "Paul" from the beginning and, therefore, if necessary, they would have cosmetic surgery, wear wigs and also if height was a problem, go barefoot with ridiculous excuses like "it was a hot day" (then why wear a suit?) One of the Pauls had the "raised eyebrow" (plucked eyebrows?) They did not all have this, though it was contrived by painting on eyebrows. Some Pauls had straight eyebrows. Some Pauls with short legs; some with long legs. Some Pauls were better looking than others, too. The evidence speaks for itself; talk of a stroke at age 24 is just another smokescreen.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Mar 28, 2014 17:31:05 GMT -5
Cool thread, but I'm not buying the stroke argument. A photo of a pin in his face wouldn't have been taken or released. You're saying they posed for a P.R. photo shoot with Paul having a steel pin hanging out of his face? Please. Thankyou for a sensible comment. A star of that calibre (highest level in the world) would never be photographed with pins in their face. There would be many people who could be used as doubles (how often have you seen people in the street and thought they "look like a celebrity/rock star"? There would be guys who could play guitar/bass (or piano?) who looked like "Paul" a bit cute, slim build (one of the doubles was too broad on the shoulders)if hair not right; wear a wig. The first (adult) Paul we can recall in Hamburg circa 1959 looked a bit effeminate (though if you study the photos it seems he was not the only one in Hamburg). Could it be possible that one Paul died in Hamburg? Thus, being replaced early on. An early Paul seemed to play piano a lot; that is because he could and also, because, Stu Sutcliffe was the original bassist with The (Silver) Beatles. Another Paul could not play piano and after Stu Sutcliffe passed away in April 1962 played left hand bass. www.beatlesbible.com/people/stuart-sutcliffe/ |
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Post by maxedison on Nov 2, 2014 21:06:47 GMT -5
I do not think this thread proved its point. There are at least 3 "Pauls" between 1958 and 1964. 1958 paul has a thin face with
1 rounded eyebrow that is higher than the other less round eyebrow. Another "Paul" has big eyes and a rounder face. Yet another has
angled eyebrows that are even with a round face.
Each of these seem to show up after 67. One of them has a scar on their eyebrow and the others do not.
Rubber Sole through Magical Mystery Tour are filled with different "Pauls" None of them are the original 3(those before 66) some are so Odd looking that it would be rediculous to not think that it was to shove it in our face.
One of those Original Pauls may have had a stroke but that does not explain the other two between 1958 and 1964.
I do not know how they could have found so many different people to play the role of Paul and still have them look so much alike but the only other explaination is that there is only one Paul and he has the ability to change his looks so drastically that his very skull changes shape.
One other possiblity is that he keeps his face in a jar by the door. One size fits all.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Nov 5, 2014 13:21:29 GMT -5
Shapeshifting Faul/Paul.....able to make himself look different throughout the late 60's to present day.....that must be it!  |
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