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Post by mommybird on Jul 30, 2007 11:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 30, 2007 14:03:00 GMT -5
Not a happy man indeed....in the midst of the controversies surrounding the Beatles at that time, it's no wonder he looks perplexed.
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Post by mindgames on Aug 3, 2007 0:01:44 GMT -5
An unsure man is more like it, dare I say nervous? Nail biting and sweating are we? Where's that peacock that use to strut around like the head cock (male chicken) with his hands in his belt loop and his hips forward to frame his manliness? Notice how thin Faul's hair is and how it parts so diffrently they just decided to change the cut altogether shortly after the flip. I don't think that the alpha male, Paul, would be walking around with the same shag haircut as his lady.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 3, 2007 13:41:04 GMT -5
Paul was always very nervous. He just used to hide it by acting the way that you described ! You should check out his hands in all his photos & film clips/movies. He was a nail biter alright, right down to the quick ! ;D
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Post by Doc on Aug 4, 2007 1:32:34 GMT -5
Unhappy?
Or, merely temporarily tense and concerned?
Transient anxiety is a chronic state revisited often by performers. But it doesn't mean they live there.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 4, 2007 13:31:07 GMT -5
That's true. But in Paul's case he was nervous more often than not. Too much fame, too much happening too quickly. Not enough time to absorb it all. How could any of us know how much pressure that man was under
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Post by Doc on Aug 5, 2007 1:22:29 GMT -5
That's true. But in Paul's case he was nervous more often than not. Too much fame, too much happening too quickly. Not enough time to absorb it all. How could any of us know how much pressure that man was under And after all, some people's natural personality find excessive attention a bit opppresive, hard to deal with. Some folks enjoy the limelight; some folks don't mind being a bit appreciated, bur despise or are fearful of enthusiastic, obsessed crowds. It's not a natural state to find oneself in. If Paul, or anyone else decided to split from the bright lights, it would be understandable. I think. How would I know. I was never famous. Whew. What a relief. I only ever wanted to be famous on a small internet site with about 100 members. Sadly, I missed the target and became infamous instead. But, we does what we can. [Cue applause.] [Protracted silence.] Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? [tap............tap............tap, tap, tap, tap......crickets.]
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Post by mommybird on Aug 5, 2007 6:59:16 GMT -5
All very true. What those boys went through had never been experienced before. They would arrive to a venue packed full of screaming hysterical fans. Most female, but not all I'm sure. I have heard that Paul used to have migraine headaches. I'm not surprised, considering the pressure that he was living under. And I'm sure that entering a stadium full of crazy screaming people didn't help matters any !
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 5, 2007 8:46:22 GMT -5
And after all, some people's natural personality find excessive attention a bit opppresive, hard to deal with. Some folks enjoy the limelight; some folks don't mind being a bit appreciated, bur despise or are fearful of enthusiastic, obsessed crowds. It's not a natural state to find oneself in. If Paul, or anyone else decided to split from the bright lights, it would be understandable. I think. How would I know. I was never famous. Whew. What a relief. I only ever wanted to be famous on a small internet site with about 100 members. Sadly, I missed the target and became infamous instead. But, we does what we can. [Cue applause.] [Protracted silence.] Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? [tap............tap............tap, tap, tap, tap......crickets.] LOL. Good post Doc. Clap, Clap.
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Post by lj on Aug 5, 2007 9:33:14 GMT -5
just because you find pictures of him not smiling doesn't mean he wasn't happy. i bet for each picture of him looking sad you can find 20 of him smiling, laughing and having a blast.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 5, 2007 11:07:01 GMT -5
One must admit that Paul looks rather pensive in a lot of the '66 photos, like something was weighing heavily on his mind. I think he had an illness or was simply worried because he was losing his hair or a combination of the two.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 5, 2007 17:24:39 GMT -5
LJ, no disrespect intended, but I have looked at over 1000 photos of Paul & his replacement(s). The photos of Paul looking unhappy far outweigh the ones of him smiling. I have found it much more difficult over the years finding comparison photos of Paul smiling to use against photos of Faul smiling. All IMHO of course. Darkhorse, I think that you might very well be right. The photos of Paul from 1966 in which his face is very swollen is a definite tell. He might have been placed on steroids to battle an illness. My daughter was placed on ACTH ( achtar gel ) when she was an infant. At the time, she was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms. This is a VERY serious form of childhood epilepsy. If it isn't stopped as soon as possible, it will lead to catastrophic developmental delays. ACTH is a steroid. One of the side effects of the drug was the child developing a "moon shaped" face.
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Post by lj on Aug 5, 2007 18:08:38 GMT -5
mommy, no offense, but the fact that you took the time to go through a thousand (or a million) pictures and you found he wasn't smiling much doesn't prove he wasn't happy. just like him smiling wouldn't prove he was happy either. happiness is not such a simple and easy thing as being smiling or not.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 5, 2007 18:31:52 GMT -5
MB, do you notice a disproportionate amount of photos of Paul from 1966 where he looks unhappy compared to the other years?
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Post by mommybird on Aug 6, 2007 12:21:53 GMT -5
Most definitely. In fact, I would guess that he was starting to become disillusioned with the whole "scene" in 1965. I'm pretty certain that the photo that I have of him with his arms up as if to say, " STOP, ENOUGH ALREADY ", was taken in 1965. I have a thread on it at Sea of Green. It's titled, " Serious, Tired &/or Feeling Unwell". Here are the photos from there that I feel depict him looking unhappy, annoyed or bored: Judging from the hairstyle, the above three photos appear to have been taken during the same time period. He appears very young, and very unhappy... Another early shot, taken in 1963. It appears that even then he wasn't always enamored with the camera. ] The last photo above is from the "butcher" sessions. I believe that was from around the same time as my avatar photo. The above two photos are from the same photo session. I would love to know what those men were thinking. I can't imagine any amount of money that would make me point a gun at a friend like that. I have to wonder if they were all stoned/drunk off their faces during that photo shoot. The above photo is a capture from the "Paperback Writer" video. His eyes are so red in the above photo. It looks very well like he might've been crying. I definitely can see how this kind of "thing" can get old fast. The poor guy couldn't even eat in peace ! The above photo is from when they were in the Bahamas filming Help!!! Paul looks ill in it. These two photos were taken in 1966. He looks like a different person. His face looks so haggard. I have to wonder what was going on in his life at the time. LJ - You're right about smiling. It's all about the eyes. Does the smile reach the eyes ? Paul was NOT a great actor by any means. I honestly don't think that there are very many later photos of Paul where the smile reaches his eyes. Unless we can get an insider to tell us what it was really like in 1966, we'll never know what Paul was thinking/feeling around the time of his death.
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Post by lj on Aug 7, 2007 7:04:34 GMT -5
well, they're toy guns so it's not like it's a statement that they wanted to kill him. just like dressing like a wizard for MMT doesn't mean he thought he was one ;D
no, we can't know for certain what he was thinking (not even if you know someone who knew him at the time), so it's all guessing. and guessing whether someone or not was happy based on pictures, even if his eyes don't glow like the morning star, is just wrong and sorry, but pointless.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 7, 2007 7:53:15 GMT -5
LJ, I don't think that it's pointless trying to determine what was going on in Paul's life at the end. Looking at photographs is just one way of trying to do so. You're entitled to your opinion, & I'm entitled to mine.
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Post by lj on Aug 7, 2007 8:06:23 GMT -5
absolutely. but what do you expect to prove or achieve by guessing whether he was happy or not? just curious, in case it would change anything.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 7, 2007 12:12:13 GMT -5
Actually, I posted the 1st two photos because I saw them in my pictures folder next to each other. I noticed that he looked about the same in both photos, and I figured that I would share them with everyone. The rest, is my opinion, & I don't see why it has turned into an argument.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 7, 2007 21:43:24 GMT -5
Sullen Singer Paul McCartney of the Beatles shows the strain of touring whilst waiting in a hotel room in Anchorage, 28th June 1966. On their way to Tokyo for their Asian tour, the band were diverted to Alaska because of a typhoon. (Photo by Bob Whitaker/Hulton Archive/Getty Images) Unhappy? Or pissed about being stuck in Anchorage?
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Post by mommybird on Aug 8, 2007 6:51:33 GMT -5
Ok, I'm impressed. How did you find that so quickly ? I honestly don't know where I got it from. Thank you so much for identifying that photo for us. So many of them are unidentifiable. Unhappy? Or pissed about being stuck in Anchorage?Most likely both ! BTW, the other photo was from their engagment in Manila. We all know how THAT turned out. Paul was biting his nails for good reason. He looks very nervous !
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Post by percythrillington on Aug 31, 2007 18:09:22 GMT -5
haha I like this one, something reminds me of Napoleon.... McNapo. Anyway, back on topic: yes, he looks sad or preoccupied on most of these pictures, but after all, who can pretend to be happy 24/7? Especially when you're a Beatle. I m sure you can find pix of Paul unhappy before 1966.
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Post by knowthe411 on Nov 25, 2009 20:11:48 GMT -5
If any of you have seen the April 1964 interview Paul had with David Frost (A Degree of Frost), he says that he'd like to retire in two years. And late '64 is when you begin to see Faux Pauls show up every now and then. Based on other things I've heard him say, he and John were tired of not owning their songs and, as he told David Frost, "we've done everything we've been told to do, and after a while you get a certain degree of power, and you can suggest things creatively". I think that's what he was itching to do: to own his music copyrights and to do what he wanted musically. John too. So of course they looked increasingly unhappy.
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Post by linus on May 17, 2012 1:30:10 GMT -5
I would love to know what those men were thinking. I can't imagine any amount of money that would make me point a gun at a friend like that. I have to wonder if they were all stoned/drunk off their faces during that photo shoot. But perhaps pointing a gun at a fan would be different? Or at one's self, or at a camera? Or maybe holding a knife to your friend's chest is a little better?
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Post by seasaltcaramel on May 17, 2012 5:30:39 GMT -5
I would love to know what those men were thinking. I can't imagine any amount of money that would make me point a gun at a friend like that. I have to wonder if they were all stoned/drunk off their faces during that photo shoot. But perhaps pointing a gun at a fan would be different? Or at one's self, or at a camera? Or maybe holding a knife to your friend's chest is a little better? is that paul in the knife photo.
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