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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 2, 2019 19:23:03 GMT -5
And whatever happened to Mikes new secret source who said there was two Paul's from the very beginning? The Street Paul and The Studio Paul ...what happened to this? Mike seems to have dropped it like a hot potato!
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 3, 2019 22:12:54 GMT -5
Hmmm. Are there any traces left of his mentioning the source and Dual Function Pauls? Was the implication that one was cute and charming and otherwise marketable and the other was talented? In this story, was 'Street Paul' the one who also played concerts and did interviews and showed up at parties?
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 4, 2019 15:22:03 GMT -5
Hmmm. Are there any traces left of his mentioning the source and Dual Function Pauls? Was the implication that one was cute and charming and otherwise marketable and the other was talented? In this story, was 'Street Paul' the one who also played concerts and did interviews and showed up at parties? Mike never named this source...but said he was highly credible and that he would do a full show about it. This source claimed that Billy was the musician and did concerts while the cute one did photo shots,interviews snd parties...at least that was my understanding. This was all said during one of his Revised Memoirs Updates. It also appears that Mike is fully screening anyone who wants interviews with him...and that their views must largely line up with his as it concerns PID and The Memoirs... plus,he refuses to engage in honest and open debate concerning PID or The Memoirs it seems. Mike is a hack researcher IMHO and anything he says should be seriously discounted. Mike IMHO has now become the mouthpiece of Tom UHarriet! People involved with The Memoirs discussion on Mikes Facebook page that was deleted and that was shared by B have confirmed that Toms book was totally discredited and shown to be a scam. That was why Mike deleted that conversation and blocked a lot of people from his page and Youtube channel. It is this type of shit that makes me want to forget about PID totally! It looks like a freakin circus and shitshow where facts and evidence are frowned upon in place of cheap sensationalism and fantasies!
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 4, 2019 17:00:25 GMT -5
Coincidence? Now Mike comes out with a new video about the doubles and how it has been more clearly explained in The Revised Memoirs! He has also turned back on the Like/Dislike buttons and is allowing comments again (lol)! Notice how none of these theories present any evidence at all...it is all taken as Bible truth just because it comes from The Revised Memoirs! During The Melody Maker Awards Show on the 13th...The Memoirs now say this is Street Paul who also appeared in MMT. So...if Billy was there from the start as Musician Paul...then who died on September 11 if Street Paul was alive on the 13th,and Billy is still with us? Was the "Paul" who died on the 11th the biological Paul all the other doubles were based on? Does this theory make sense at all to anyone else or just desperate Memoirs bull? This crap is getting downright silly and confusing IMHO! If the original biological Paul died as theorized here...then what purpose did he serve if Billy was making the music and performing while Street Paul was doing interviews,photo ops and parties?
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 5, 2019 5:43:55 GMT -5
Oh it's just starting to get confusing lol‽
Okay so he's claiming the dark, bowling ball headed Paul from the Memphis press conference is the same lanky Billy-headed Paul from the Melody Maker Awards and that neither of them are musician Paul, whom one could only see in the studio or in pre-September-66-concerts? Right...
And, of course, as usual, all the Quarrymen Pauls and Silver Beatle Pauls and Cavern Pauls and Hamburg Pauls and little boy Pauls are completely ignored. "Paul McCartney" didn't exist until 1962.
Hmmm...maybe he didn't!
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 5, 2019 19:20:22 GMT -5
Oh it's just starting to get confusing lol‽ Okay so he's claiming the dark, bowling ball headed Paul from the Memphis press conference is the same lanky Billy-headed Paul from the Melody Maker Awards and that neither of them are musician Paul, whom one could only see in the studio or in pre-September-66-concerts? Right... And, of course, as usual, all the Quarrymen Pauls and Silver Beatle Pauls and Cavern Pauls and Hamburg Pauls and little boy Pauls are completely ignored. "Paul McCartney" didn't exist until 1962. Hmmm...maybe he didn't! I give up (lol)! At least my current belief in Holliday being Paul who retired to marry Dot and raise a family is not so convoluted than this Memoirs crap! I'm even willing to consider Holiday may not have even been the real Paul but an early double who decided to quit. But this many multiples of Paul thing is just taking it too far IMHO. It just makes it all more confusing and complex and starts to sound to fantastical for me personally. It also makes serious research even more difficult. In fact...it reminds me of this; Jamie Madrox...full name James Arthur Madrox A mutant with the ability to create instant duplicates of himself. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Madrox
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 6, 2019 4:25:00 GMT -5
But it is confusing, overly complex and strains credulity. There's no way you can have looked at those early "Pauls" and decided they were only two different guys. Twelve Beatles In ScotlandThere were THREE PAULs just on a weekend trip to Scotland! I don't know why. It doesn't make any sense. One group arrives at the airport, two different groups are seen about town for photo ops and one of those two groups flies away from the Glasgow airport. Check their hair, both the shape of the cuts and the length. They're completely different humans, no matter how much they may resemble one another. I don't know why!!! joseph has suggested that the what-the-fuckery goes beyond "it's a feature, not a bug" to being the entire point, psyop-dadaist-kaosmajik the entire intent of which is destabilization. Maybe it is! Maybe, for some reason, The Beatles slipstreamed between parallel realities on an hourly basis while everyone else was bound to gravity. Maybe having multiples was a good way to keep the guys in line, knowing they could be replaced at a moment's notice. Maybe it was an experiment on them, not on us. Given the lack of any definitive documentation explaining any of this clusterfuck, the possiBillyties are really uncountable. Show us which Paul you think became John Halliday. All the ones I've seen suggested thus far have ears or "ears" in the wrong place.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 7, 2019 17:40:44 GMT -5
I could say more...but I've said enough slready.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 7, 2019 18:10:18 GMT -5
But it is confusing, overly complex and strains credulity. There's no way you can have looked at those early "Pauls" and decided they were only two different guys. Twelve Beatles In ScotlandThere were THREE PAULs just on a weekend trip to Scotland! I don't know why. It doesn't make any sense. One group arrives at the airport, two different groups are seen about town for photo ops and one of those two groups flies away from the Glasgow airport. Check their hair, both the shape of the cuts and the length. They're completely different humans, no matter how much they may resemble one another. I don't know why!!! joseph has suggested that the what-the-fuckery goes beyond "it's a feature, not a bug" to being the entire point, psyop-dadaist-kaosmajik the entire intent of which is destabilization. Maybe it is! Maybe, for some reason, The Beatles slipstreamed between parallel realities on an hourly basis while everyone else was bound to gravity. Maybe having multiples was a good way to keep the guys in line, knowing they could be replaced at a moment's notice. Maybe it was an experiment on them, not on us. Given the lack of any definitive documentation explaining any of this clusterfuck, the possiBillyties are really uncountable. Show us which Paul you think became John Halliday. All the ones I've seen suggested thus far have ears or "ears" in the wrong place. To be honest the whole picture analysis is not my strong suit at all. It is hard for me to distinguish beteeen pics which have been purposely altered from the originals. I'm beginning to think Holliday was the first short Paul up to 66...and it was him and not biological Paul who was in love with Dot...and quit his long stint as Street Paul. That is my current working theory...but it could change with more data and valid information. All I know for sure now...is that Halliday seems to have vanished off the face of the earth since being fired by Billy as caretaker of JPM's parents home.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 9, 2019 0:52:48 GMT -5
I think many fewer pix have been manipulated than certain people would like us to believe. As a general rule, I don't trust any images officially sanctioned or shared by Apple, Sir Billy, associated PR entities, or any of the various 66-Centric-PID/Nothing-Weird-Ever-Happens-PIA contingents. There are some great sites of scanned fan photos from concerts and candid party pix, etc. And a rolling mountain of other images that there would simply be no feasible way to have altered without the originals also still being available (see: the two versions of 15 year old "Paul" with his first guitar). There are annoyingly few images of that "first" Small Paul. I don't really have an opinion on whether or not he might be John Halliday because I've never seen his ears. What I have noticed about him, however, is that he frequently seems unable to stand and is often propped up leaning and clinging to things or wedged tightly between other Beatles -- an exception to that would be a set of rooftop pr photos wherein he's actually photographed in a mid-air leap -- but again, those were bought and paid for and released with a purpose. I do think there are other Pauls who resemble JH more than that Paul -- but of course they almost all resemble one another, to varying degrees. He also doesn't facially match either (?) of the boy Pauls of whom we have photos. EDIT: My bad; he does look just like one of the little kid Pauls... I'm 100% with you in that JH's sudden firing after becoming Internet Famous and his seemingly complete disappearance from Earth, thereafter, makes me think he must be important to this story -- back to the idea of the shadow of the table leg, negative space telling the story that the primary images can't or don't. I wonder if anyone has really tried to track him down or not.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 9, 2019 19:40:50 GMT -5
I think many fewer pix have been manipulated than certain people would like us to believe. As a general rule, I don't trust any images officially sanctioned or shared by Apple, Sir Billy, associated PR entities, or any of the various 66-Centric-PID/Nothing-Weird-Ever-Happens-PIA contingents. There are some great sites of scanned fan photos from concerts and candid party pix, etc. And a rolling mountain of other images that there would simply be no feasible way to have altered without the originals also still being available (see: the two versions of 15 year old "Paul" with his first guitar). There are annoyingly few images of that "first" Small Paul. I don't really have an opinion on whether or not he might be John Halliday because I've never seen his ears. What I have noticed about him, however, is that he frequently seems unable to stand and is often propped up leaning and clinging to things or wedged tightly between other Beatles -- an exception to that would be a set of rooftop pr photos wherein he's actually photographed in a mid-air leap -- but again, those were bought and paid for and released with a purpose. I do think there are other Pauls who resemble JH more than that Paul -- but of course they almost all resemble one another, to varying degrees. He also doesn't facially match either (?) of the boy Pauls of whom we have photos. EDIT: My bad; he does look just like one of the little kid Pauls... I'm 100% with you in that JH's sudden firing after becoming Internet Famous and his seemingly complete disappearance from Earth, thereafter, makes me think he must be important to this story -- back to the idea of the shadow of the table leg, negative space telling the story that the primary images can't or don't. I wonder if anyone has really tried to track him down or not. Yes...for me Holliday certainly looks like those kids! And also some of the early Beatles pics too! The whole thing is a mystery within a mystery,a psy-op within a psyop...a complete mind fuck (lol)! And yes K...some deeper investigation into Halliday and his family is desperately needed. And I agree with you 100 percent Holliday and his wife who looks exactly like Dot somehow are central to the bigger picture somehow...and I feel since people were starting to piece things together that those running this never ending psy-op told Holliday that he and his family have to go underground and deeper into hiding. None of that Holliday being fired for drinking a beer after being off the clock made much sense to me at all and was just a cover story to get people off the Holliday aspect of this mystery and to send him, his wife and children somewhere where it would be hard to track them. Maybe even with new identities also!
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 9, 2019 19:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 10, 2019 9:15:09 GMT -5
So what the fuck does his face look like under that thing?
Should we try to find Halliday? My brother is always, only half-jokingly, warning me that I'm going to wind up getting myself black-bagged & tossed in the back of a van.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 10, 2019 15:40:10 GMT -5
So what the fuck does his face look like under that thing? Should we try to find Halliday? My brother is always, only half-jokingly, warning me that I'm going to wind up getting myself black-bagged & tossed in the back of a van. I think finding Holliday and his family now is going to be next to impossibe without serious boots on the ground detective work...and maybe not even with that! Don't worry K...I don't think you have to fear being hauled off by a van any time soon.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 21, 2019 23:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by B on Feb 22, 2019 19:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 22, 2019 23:32:45 GMT -5
Consider this possibility...Paul...like a lot of aging rockstars utilizes lots of make-up,botox,plastic surgery and yes...even latex!
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 26, 2019 17:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 6, 2019 23:14:55 GMT -5
Why do so many in the PID community only latch on to literal interpretations when it comes to PID clues?
The Son of Cosmania or Son of Crowley anagram IMHO is a statement of being a follower or believer in Crowley's teachings and philosophy.
Declaring oneself as a "son of Crowley"is no different then declaring oneself to be a "son of God" or a "son of Christ"
Saying this anagram and The Memoirs support of it is a factual statement by Billy as an actual bloodline relative or direct son of Crowley is quite far fetched IMHO.
As the theory presented in this video is evidence of nothing.
In fact...much of PID is based on nothing that can be shown to be factual.
We have no evidence of a dead body,a car accident,photos,a death certificate...nor eye witness testimony.
All we have are some backward messages on some albums...that are IMHO better interpreted figuratively than literally!
YES...the Beatles used doubles at times...but does that mean someone actually died?
Does this mean they all died?
Using doubles is not an indicator of death or permenant replacement IMHO.
Many people in politics,pop music and business use doubles from time to time.
Did anyone see the body doubles of Trump and Kim in Vietnam recently that was shown on the news?
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 7, 2019 2:24:03 GMT -5
Thoughts on my above statements...whether positive or negative are welcomed very much.
At this present time...due to a lack of being able to find any hard factual evidence to support the theory of PID or PWR permanently...I am very close to denouncing it all.
I am of the current belief that Apollo was right when he told us before his passing that Paul left the group for a little while and doubles were used until he returned full time...and even afterwards.
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Post by hotman637 on Mar 7, 2019 16:18:13 GMT -5
Thoughts on my above statements...whether positive or negative are welcomed very much. At this present time...due to a lack of being able to find any hard factual evidence to support the theory of PID or PWR permanently...I am very close to denouncing it all. I am of the current belief that Apollo was right when he told us before his passing that Paul left the group for a little while and doubles were used until he returned full time...and even afterwards. What people don't seem to realize is that even if Paul was not replaced or dead ALL the other Beatles were! As a matter of fact "PID" was probably invented just to DESTRACT people from all the replaced celebrities! Probably 90% of the major bands from the 60's and 70's were replaced! The Stones Zeppelin The Who Rod Stewart Elton John John Couger John Bon Jovi Jonny Rotten Cat Stevens etc.etc. etc.!
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 7, 2019 19:01:47 GMT -5
Thoughts on my above statements...whether positive or negative are welcomed very much. At this present time...due to a lack of being able to find any hard factual evidence to support the theory of PID or PWR permanently...I am very close to denouncing it all. I am of the current belief that Apollo was right when he told us before his passing that Paul left the group for a little while and doubles were used until he returned full time...and even afterwards. What people don't seem to realize is that even if Paul was not replaced or dead ALL the other Beatles were! As a matter of fact "PID" was probably invented just to DESTRACT people from all the replaced celebrities! Probably 90% of the major bands from the 60's and 70's were replaced! The Stones Zeppelin The Who Rod Stewart Elton John John Couger John Bon Jovi Jonny Rotten Cat Stevens etc.etc. etc.! It is one thing to say people were replaced or killed...but without actual real facts and evidence to support such theories and claims it can all be rejected as fantastical nonsense. So...what was behind all the PID backwards messages? What were The Beatles really trying to tell us? We all know that Paul was the last of The Beatles to do LSD. Paul has stated numerous times that he was hesitant to do it because he was afraid he would go crazy or lose himself. After taking LSD...all The Beatles were changed on a conscious level...it changed how they saw themselves and the world...this is all reflected in Sgt.Pepper from its album artwork to the music within. The Beatles were no longer the fab four...the lovable moptops...LSD killed the old image of the group. And since Paul was the last to go through the LSD ego death in the group...it was used as the device to communicate to the fans that Paul's old ego conscipusness had "died". John declares..."I buried Paul"...or in other words, John helped to convince Paul to do acid. Paul is bloody...is not literal,but symbolic of the change one undergoes during the "trip". A literal intepretation of the backwards messages within The Beatles albums created a huge misunderstanding in the message the group was relying to the fans. PID is based on a foundation of air...it is not supported by anything substantial at all. Paul used doubles...and now the doubles have been mistaken as a literal permanent replacement for Paul himself. And now...Paul uses PID and his doubles to keep the mystery going. Mystery keeps us all engaged in The Beatles mythos...it keeps us all buying more product. PID is just a clever marketing tool which has created its own cottage industry with its own internet gurus and stars. Many people now rely on PID as a source of livlihood. Whether willingly or unwillingly...they need us to keep believing that PID is real because they depend on our money and participation to keep the cottage industry going for as long as possible. But the facts...the evidence to support it all is non-existent! Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice...shame on me! Many of you on this board my not like those statements...that is fine...believe what you will. But personally, I can no longer believe anything if it does not have hard facts and evidence to support it.
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Post by hotman637 on Mar 7, 2019 22:56:23 GMT -5
If you want "facts and evidence" start with THIS FORUM and the "celebrity flux" section and you will see PLENTY of evidence showing ALL SORTS of replacements!
Like Eminem Elvis Bono Micky Rourk Eric Clapton Mia Farrow Dylan Michael Jackson Tina Turner Sinatra Ozzy Doris Day etc. etc. etc. etc.!
Almost EVERYONE has been replaced! MacFake is just a footnote!
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Post by B on Mar 8, 2019 0:26:07 GMT -5
I am of the current belief that Apollo was right when he told us before his passing that Paul left the group for a little while and doubles were used until he returned full time...and even afterwards. I'd be curious to see which of his posts you think said that. Were there some specifically that you were thinking of? I'm not doubting that he might have said that, but I think the "return" may have been a bit different than what it sounds like. (I still plan to respond to your comments about the Sage of Quay interview; I just haven't been able to take the time to do that yet, and some physical ailments have hindered my response as well. )
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 8, 2019 12:33:22 GMT -5
I am of the current belief that Apollo was right when he told us before his passing that Paul left the group for a little while and doubles were used until he returned full time...and even afterwards. I'd be curious to see which of his posts you think said that. Were there some specifically that you were thinking of? I'm not doubting that he might have said that, but I think the "return" may have been a bit different than what it sounds like. (I still plan to respond to your comments about the Sage of Quay interview; I just haven't been able to take the time to do that yet, and some physical ailments have hindered my response as well. ) I admit B that my recollection of Apollos posts may be mixed up or in error...I will have to go back into them to find out for sure. But...despite Apollo's posts...PID/PWR permenantly is seriously flawed and lacks hard evidence. It only leads to more unproven theories and an endless search for "proof" to prove Paul died. I'm tired and frustrated trying to find facts and hard evidence...but coming up with nothing but some old misinterpreted backwards messages. I'm tired of talking to so-called internet guru PID stars who can't present me with anything but theories with no validation or substance to support them. I'm tired of stressing my eyeballs looking at side by side photo comparions of Paul pictures that again...prove nothing. I will still stay on the board and contribute in various ways...since we all discuss many other subjects and have great open and honest discussions...but my own long personal belief in PID/PWR is over and done. I have great respect and admiration towards all of you on this board...my rejection of PID/PWR will not change that in any way,shape or form.
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