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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 2, 2019 14:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 3, 2019 12:12:26 GMT -5
From here on I will also post my Let It Be Disaster research here in this thread for simplicity's sake.
From page 11...January 2,1969,...Sun King/Don't Let Me Down medley rehearsal. George upon realizing everything was being recorded and filmed..."prompts Paul with a light-hearted warning as to what the tapes will contain". Why is George so worried about what may be recorded? And why does he feel the need to warn Billy to watch what he says?
The author of the book suggests this is just George being comedic with Paul...but not me! He's warning Billy to stay in character!
Also of note...why does George only feel the need to warn Billy and not the others about everything being recorded? This...speaks volumes IMHO.
From that point on...Billy puts on a SHOW throughout the rest of January. But not the other three Beatles who mostly seem disinterested and bored.
January 7th- She Came In Through The Bathroom Window- Again George comments on them being recorded and says he is worried about cursing being caught on tape. His actions contradict this as he then again warns Billy to be careful about what he says but not the other three Beatles
January 7th-Mr. Epstein Said It Was White Gold- George and Paul ask for better microphones. Michael Lindsey-Hogg tells them this will make recording their conversations even better. Although George and Paul humor him,they're probably less than thrilled with that idea.
January 7th- For You Blue - Here we have Billy discussing how depressed the other three Beatles are since Brian's death and how its affecting their work. Billy is clearly not as affected by Brian's death as the other three Beatles are because he did not know him as long. The real Paul would have been just as depressed as the others are! But not Billy...he only cares about business and putting on a good show for the cameras! Billy's insensitivity is really obvious here.
January 7th- Bo Diddley - WOW! This is lengthy and has Billy going off on the other three Beatles. He admits he is the leader and the idea man! Billy expects the others to be all business like himself and to basically leave their sadness and depression at home. Billy expects only a professional and positive work environment. Billy appears truly insensitive and cold to the others pain here
January 7th-Instrumental-George complains how his musical contributions are not taken seriously at all.Billy replies that something should be done about that... but as the month proceeds...nothing is done to make George feel better or more valuable as an artist. Billy IMHO...only told George that in order to make him feel better and not leave like he did during The White Album sessions
Later on during this same date of the 7th Billy remarks that the same depression and sadness was present during the making of The White Album and that the rest of the group needs to get it together or call it quits because it will make Billy want to quit also! Again and again....Billy is an insensitive ass! No wonder the other three Beatles couldn't stand him and resented his presence.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 3, 2019 22:19:53 GMT -5
Is there existing, available footage online of any of these moments?
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 4, 2019 14:11:01 GMT -5
Is there existing, available footage online of any of these moments? Everything was recorded and filmed...everything! Michael Lindsey Hogg was even using spy devices on the phones! The Let It Be movie as we currently have it is a jumbled mess that is terribly out of continuity with The Let It Be Disaster book which chronologically follows these sessions from beginning to end of January 2 -31 that have become available to researchers through The Rotten Apple series of The Let It Be Sessions Bootlegs and reel-to-reel tapes. Although some parts in these sessions are missing...the large majority of these sessions are here in print form. Every song rehearsed...every conversation...caught on tape and film. I think some of these conversations have been shared in IMAPHONY's video material in a cut up and slowed down manner. The name of the bootleg series is called The Beatles -Dirty Rotten Apples The 1969 Rehearsals
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 4, 2019 14:38:51 GMT -5
January 8th The Ballad of Bonnie and Clyde
The Beatles sit around bored, waiting for the technicians to complete installation of a new P.A.system. Yet they are unable to hold a straight conversation, even when one of them has something to say. It is not that relations between them are strained-it is as if there are no relations between them.
For me...this shows a band that has not properly been able to process their pain and depression and it has created deep resentment within the groups dynamic.
January 9 Let It Be
Michael Lindsey Hogg and Glynn Johns discuss the bugging device they have planted on the set in order to catch more conversations between The Beatles. Ringo seems annoyed that the device is there, and jokes that he would rather leave than continue being taped. George wanders over to check out the bugging device,which Denis O'Dell wrongly claims is not functioning.
January 10 It's Only Make Believe
George Martin comments about how John and Billy consistently team up against George, and that they don't offer him enough freedom within their compositions.
January 13 Build Me Up,Buttercup
A remarkable conversation between Linda Eastman,Neil Aspinall and Billy follows in which the dissatisfaction with Yoko and her effect upon John is finally addressed.They all feel that Yoko is working her will through John,but don't wish to confront him about it in the fear that he will leave the group.
This is a very long and lengthy discussion...too long to document here...but very revealing as it shows IMHO Billy's desire to keep the group together. But it comes across for me as a selfish motive... for his benefit alone and not the group as a whole.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 5, 2019 6:00:44 GMT -5
Why on earth did they agree to have spytech installed in the studio? And how does this relate to the later revelations that "John"'s studio and penthouse were bugged (by the CIA?) prior to his death?
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 5, 2019 15:45:50 GMT -5
timmyb52 If you comes across links to some of this footage that you're taking notes on, could you share those links here? I don't really want to rewatch a hundred hours of Rotten Apple in the hopes of catching a choice few seconds of Let It Be outtakes. Also, what's the deal with the Let It Be re-cut? Does Sir Billy have final cut veto power? Who owns the footage? What's the explanation for all the hours and hours and hours of footage never having been made officially available? I'm curious about what footage made it to the original select list and why. When I learned that the Ono-Lennons were bugged, my first thought was that it wasn't the Feds trying to catch "John" saying something incriminating or something they could use as leverage with him, but that "John" was an asset and a drug honeypot and the recordings were being made to get intel on other (real?) musicians and their illicit connections. Harry Nilsson is suspicious to me, amongst others. I watched an interview with Cynthia wherein she says that the only thing she regretted was not having taken a firmer stance when drug buddies started infiltrating their lives. She said that, by the time Yoko appeared on the scene, it was too late / had it not been Yoko, it would have been someone else. This, combined with the strange things she mentioned in her autobio about John not seeming like himself after a while, piqued my curiosity about the theory/rumor that John (or a John) died of a drug overdose in '67.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 5, 2019 16:44:45 GMT -5
From the book most of Michael Lindsey Hoggs listening devices where being used to collect better quality conversations between The Beatles before,during and after rehaersals...the group was aware of those ones. However,I don't think they were aware of the ones being used on the phones at all.
At one point in these sessions Peter Sellers comes in and has a discussion with John about needing to score some drugs...herion from what I can gather since Yoko and John had been on an all night binge the night before and also were all out. John and Yoko were doing a lot of herion at this time and make jokes about it. I would imagine Billy,Yoko and Ringo have equal say so over the final cut of the new film since they all sit on the board of Apple. Olivia Harrison might sit on the board now also...I'm not sure about that though. I also suspect that Billy is going to put together more outtakes from these sessions to accomodate the new film.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 5, 2019 17:00:27 GMT -5
January 10th George and John get into a huge argument...George announces he is done with The Beatles and walks out. It is curious to note here that when The Beatles get into heated arguments that it never leads into physical violence...they just stop communicating with one another.
January 12 A meeting is called at Ringos house with all 4 Beatles to discuss all their problems.However, this made the situation between George and John even worse since John would only communicate through Yoko. George out of sheer frustration...leaves again. More and more...John is subjagating his will to Yoko. Very sickening IMHO! From the 15th on the rehearsals are put on hold until George is talked back into returning on the 22nd.
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Post by NAYDON on Feb 5, 2019 21:32:10 GMT -5
Sorry... So where are the links to understand that? I have to search for "The Beatles - Dirty Rotten Apples The 1969 Rehearsals"? I could not find that either on YouTube or Google. The only thing I could do is send a request to enter the facebook group that you left in the link.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Feb 6, 2019 1:23:36 GMT -5
I'm curious as to how there could only be 55 hours of footage to sort through. I've shot micro-budget features in a tenth of the time they had in the studio and come away with over a hundred hours raw -- and we were working mostly scripted and scheduled. Also, interesting that a director with such a strong CGI background was chosen.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 7, 2019 21:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 7, 2019 21:39:44 GMT -5
I'm curious as to how there could only be 55 hours of footage to sort through. I've shot micro-budget features in a tenth of the time they had in the studio and come away with over a hundred hours raw -- and we were working mostly scripted and scheduled. Also, interesting that a director with such a strong CGI background was chosen. Only a fragment of all the recorded audio and film is available to us...the rest lies in The Apple Vaults. Although The Let It Be Disaster book gives us a lot...from leaked bootlegs...it is still not all of it.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 9, 2019 21:53:54 GMT -5
January 26 I'm Talking About You
John remarks that Billy's the one making everyone else in The Beatles so miserable.
January 26 Piece Of My Heart
George is looking for Mal Evens so that he can get some drugs. It is interesting to note here that the main way John,George and Ringo deal with their deep depression during this time is with a lot of alchohol and drugs.
January 26 Little Yellow Pills
George's desire for drugs brings this number to mind.
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Post by whammo on Feb 10, 2019 3:18:34 GMT -5
You have to understand that a person under a 'love spell' is not acting in their own free will. Yoko is a witch by her own admission. This type of spell is a caging ritual, the person on the receiving end does not understand why they are with the person. It also sufficiently answers the question of what did John ever see in Yoko? She was his handler, but even that was precarious. John was a very strong willed man. These types of curses only last for so long.
Not only have I witnessed the effects of a 'love spell' on another person, I briefly experienced it for myself. In my case I sensed something was wrong, but was unable to put my finger on it until much prayer and seeking God.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 10, 2019 15:27:57 GMT -5
You have to understand that a person under a 'love spell' is not acting in their own free will. Yoko is a witch by her own admission. This type of spell is a caging ritual, the person on the receiving end does not understand why they are with the person. It also sufficiently answers the question of what did John ever see in Yoko? She was his handler, but even that was precarious. John was a very strong willed man. These types of curses only last for so long. Not only have I witnessed the effects of a 'love spell' on another person, I briefly experienced it for myself. In my case I sensed something was wrong, but was unable to put my finger on it until much prayer and seeking God. Yes...I have seen it myself also. I had two friends who got involved with a married chick who was a self described witch and dark occultist. She got them to kill her husband for her. Very sad.
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 10, 2019 21:43:14 GMT -5
This is the last PID related aspect taken from these sessions. Although the whole conversation and its context is missing I will share it here for self consideration,group discussion and research purposes. My own personal interpretation and thoughts follow afterwards.
January 27 Dig It Billy relates an anecdote about the perils of travelling by car when one is a Beatle.
Although I think Billy is referring to the Beatles early experiences of being trapped in cars swarmed by fans during the early years of Beatlemania I am at a personal loss at how this can be conceived by Billy as being "perilous". Uncomfortable and streesful...no doubt...but "perilous"?
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 10, 2019 21:47:27 GMT -5
Sorry... So where are the links to understand that? I have to search for "The Beatles - Dirty Rotten Apples The 1969 Rehearsals"? I could not find that either on YouTube or Google. The only thing I could do is send a request to enter the facebook group that you left in the link. You can also find many of these Let It Be Session Bootlegs scatteted across blogsites for free download. DOWNLOAD AT YOUR OWN RISK!
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Post by timmyb52 on Feb 13, 2019 13:19:14 GMT -5
This is the last PID related aspect taken from these sessions. Although the whole conversation and its context is missing I will share it here for self consideration,group discussion and research purposes. My own personal interpretation and thoughts follow afterwards. January 27 Dig It Billy relates an anecdote about the perils of travelling by car when one is a Beatle. Although I think Billy is referring to the Beatles early experiences of being trapped in cars swarmed by fans during the early years of Beatlemania I am at a personal loss at how this can be conceived by Billy as being "perilous". Uncomfortable and streesful...no doubt...but "perilous"? To note...this comment made by Billy had nothing to do with John and Yoko's car accident in Durnes much later in the year at the start of sessions for the Abbey Road album on July1,1969 www.beatlesbible.com/1969/07/01/john-lennon-crashes-his-car-in-scotland/
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Post by ekauqodielak on May 15, 2020 8:07:06 GMT -5
This is the last PID related aspect taken from these sessions. Although the whole conversation and its context is missing I will share it here for self consideration,group discussion and research purposes. My own personal interpretation and thoughts follow afterwards. January 27 Dig It Billy relates an anecdote about the perils of travelling by car when one is a Beatle. Although I think Billy is referring to the Beatles early experiences of being trapped in cars swarmed by fans during the early years of Beatlemania I am at a personal loss at how this can be conceived by Billy as being "perilous". Uncomfortable and streesful...no doubt...but "perilous"? To note...this comment made by Billy had nothing to do with John and Yoko's car accident in Durnes much later in the year at the start of sessions for the Abbey Road album on July1,1969 www.beatlesbible.com/1969/07/01/john-lennon-crashes-his-car-in-scotland/I still have a questions about Dylan’s “Percy’s Song” [1963], which relates the story of a man being responsible for the deaths for four other people in a collision he caused while driving, as it possibly relates to the myth of “Percy Thrillington”, the Paul who disappeared for ages and reappeared much later, some of the Beatle injuries/deformities (half face, burns scars, etc.), Tara’s potential taking over as a Paul, and on and on.
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