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Post by cayetana on Dec 13, 2020 10:14:44 GMT -5
Didn't see his name ever brough up here but apparently it's someone who claims to be an insider and even wrote an online book about JPM which is pretty strange
because he states there Paul suffered from coronary artery disease (CAD) and that was the cause of his death. Any ideas who this might be? |
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Post by B on Dec 13, 2020 14:27:19 GMT -5
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Liam Steen
Dec 13, 2020 17:48:44 GMT -5
via mobile
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Post by cayetana on Dec 13, 2020 17:48:44 GMT -5
I’m so sorry, I didn’t have any problem with the above link — it’s just the pdf file which contains the online book by the above author.
But if you think it looks dangerous I’ll try to find some alternative way to upload the book for anyone interested.
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Post by B on Dec 13, 2020 20:42:01 GMT -5
Thank you cayetana! I'd like to read it, but when my Norton anti-virus puts up an alert, I pay attention. It's not like the silly FB or Twitter censorship.
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Post by B on Dec 14, 2020 18:14:02 GMT -5
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Post by cayetana on Dec 17, 2020 8:32:52 GMT -5
Oh, so yet another con artist pretending to be an insider! Thank you for the info. His narrative is quite strange, I wonder what he's up to? Or is he just a loony?
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Post by B on Dec 17, 2020 21:30:13 GMT -5
Well to be fair, I haven't clicked on the link of his text because it has a virus on it, but if you've read it, you could tell us if you think he is a con artist,
or whether it has merit.
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Post by kennethmd on Dec 18, 2020 10:48:18 GMT -5
He said that he was born in London 1940; that he had gotten a job in the Beatle management department in late 1964, and that he disagrees on how and when Paul died.
He said that Paul died of CAD {Coronary Artery Disease} on Oct.5.
He said that William was born in London Sept.18 1937. That William dad's name was Charles (Carl), his mom's name was Georgia and her maiden name was Campbell.
He said that William was a ghost singer and player as early as 1957 for Decca records. That William became Paul double in early 1964.
That it was Paul's idea for William to replace him, and carry on his name as Paul, based on that William is Family, meaning that he is possible William Paul Mccartney.
Mr. Liam Steen never mentions William's last name, did use Shears as William last name. Did Mention that William was a freemason and was into Aleister Crowley.
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Post by B on Dec 18, 2020 18:40:49 GMT -5
Thank you for the synopsis. Sounds fairly good to me.
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Post by cayetana on Jan 5, 2021 10:43:14 GMT -5
his facebook page (presumably) www.facebook.com/liam.steen.562 I looked at his Facebook page and there’s part 2 of his book there, quite interesting but no clue who the author might be. He seems to have quite some following if you read comments on his profile. Not sure I buy this new theory though, never heard anything like that before. |
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jan 5, 2021 16:57:41 GMT -5
Just took a peek at this guy's "online book" and…do we have any info about Drake University (source of the rumor stateside) being a spook school? The Iowa Writer's Workshop is part of Drake.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 26, 2023 11:24:07 GMT -5
Didn't see his name ever brough up here but apparently it's someone who claims to be an insider and even wrote an online book about JPM which is pretty strange
because he states there Paul suffered from coronary artery disease (CAD) and that was the cause of his death. Any ideas who this might be? Interesting read. This "Liam Steen" fellow makes at least one factual error...the notion that Crowley appears twice on Pepper was debunked by mystick in this thread: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/9628/pinch-vermouth-says?page=2&scrollTo=136423(Although I must say that the turban-wearing fellow in the lower-right corner, who was omitted from the cover of Pepper, looks like he may be Crowley). IAAP was wrong. The RAOB guy is not Crowley.   -j |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 26, 2023 12:00:54 GMT -5
Here is a shot of the Pepper set where it looks like "Turban Man" (Crowley?) is present in the scene at the lower-left of the crowd, but was ultimately occulted by Sonny Liston. Of course, he might have been removed from the collage before the canonical cover photo was taken, just as Hitler was removed. No way to know for sure.  -j |
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Liam Steen
Jul 26, 2023 12:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by cayetana on Jul 26, 2023 12:18:54 GMT -5
Didn't see his name ever brough up here but apparently it's someone who claims to be an insider and even wrote an online book about JPM which is pretty strange
because he states there Paul suffered from coronary artery disease (CAD) and that was the cause of his death. Any ideas who this might be? Interesting read. This "Liam Steen" fellow makes at least one factual error...the notion that Crowley appears twice on Pepper was debunked by mystick in this thread: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/9628/pinch-vermouth-says?page=2&scrollTo=136423(Although I must say that the turban-wearing fellow in the lower-right corner, who was omitted from the cover of Pepper, looks like he may be Crowley). IAAP was wrong. The RAOB guy is not Crowley. -j Could be attributed to not remembering certain things after all this time? (If he’s indeed what he claims to be or if he got his info from someone in the know). By the way, there’s a comment by Letter B in the thread above where he says it was none other than ACV that stated the raob guy was Crowley, can’t check it right now but if it’s so it’s quite a coincidence 🤔. I know a couple of people who chatted with this person/s in the Facebook group when it was still going , who I have no reason to doubt, they say he answered most of the questions readily and was very articulate and well versed in the band’s history. Doesn’t prove anything but still. I saw his Facebook account where he talks about the threats he received because of his book but I take it he’s no longer active in the group. www.facebook.com/liam.steen.562 |
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Liam Steen
Jul 26, 2023 12:32:12 GMT -5
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Post by cayetana on Jul 26, 2023 12:32:12 GMT -5
Here is a shot of the Pepper set where it looks like "Turban Man" (Crowley?) is present in the scene at the lower-left of the crowd, but was ultimately occulted by Sonny Liston. Of course, he might have been removed from the collage before the canonical cover photo was taken, just as Hitler was removed. No way to know for sure. -j Funny how Michael Cooper kind of looks a bit like a younger version of “turban man” in this photo. |
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Post by superman on Jul 26, 2023 12:49:09 GMT -5
Here is a shot of the Pepper set where it looks like "Turban Man" (Crowley?) is present in the scene at the lower-left of the crowd, but was ultimately occulted by Sonny Liston. Of course, he might have been removed from the collage before the canonical cover photo was taken, just as Hitler was removed. No way to know for sure. -j Funny how Michael Cooper kind of looks a bit like a younger version of “turban man” in this photo. Probably a clone (yeah, I said it again) of the guy. :::cue ominous music:::: |
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Post by ramone on Jul 26, 2023 13:15:47 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have a pint with Blake's wife (Jann) who was right in there during the whole process.
'how long did it take to make granny?'
'how long do you think it took to design the drum front so it would read "he die" with a mirror?'
Ya know - basic stuff
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Liam Steen
Jul 26, 2023 18:10:29 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by cayetana on Jul 26, 2023 18:10:29 GMT -5
Funny how Michael Cooper kind of looks a bit like a younger version of “turban man” in this photo. Probably a clone (yeah, I said it again) of the guy. :::cue ominous music:::: Or a time traveler perhaps? 😉 |
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Post by cayetana on Jul 26, 2023 18:23:57 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have a pint with Blake's wife (Jann) who was right in there during the whole process. 'how long did it take to make granny?' 'how long do you think it took to design the drum front so it would read "he die" with a mirror?' Ya know - basic stuff Good idea! I’d ask why she put three Shirley Temples there. I think there was an interview with her which was very evasive, like she said the hyacinths ended up on the Pepper cover by mistake and suchlike. I once saw a comment by Jann where she said she commissioned Joe Ephgrave “to do the drum” (I presume she meant to paint it, not design). I wonder how many pints it would take for her to spill the beans? |
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Post by cayetana on Jul 26, 2023 18:40:41 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have a pint with Blake's wife (Jann) who was right in there during the whole process. 'how long did it take to make granny?' 'how long do you think it took to design the drum front so it would read "he die" with a mirror?' Ya know - basic stuff By the way, here’s what Jann has to say about the Pepper cover (it’s from a different interview): “ Why is Sgt P looked at so much and another album not so much? It’s because each inch has a puzzle. As all game designers know, we like puzzles and we’re therefore engaged a bit longer. I like to create images that have reasoning behind every bit of them. So, on one level, a painting that I do has “art historical positioning” and quests for answers and resolutions and continuity. On another level, I am experimenting with the viewer’s eyes… I am loading the image with intricacies and compositional tricks and skills, putting in images within images that maybe a point to dwell on and ask the question “why”? All of this is in the hope that the work deserves more than just a glance.” Each inch has a puzzle? Experimenting with the viewer’s eyes? Putting in images within images that may be a point to dwell and ask the question why? In hope that the work deserves more than just a glance? Where have I heard this before?.. albumcoverhalloffame.wordpress.com/2020/12/04/achof-interview-with-artist-jann-haworth/ |
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Post by superman on Jul 27, 2023 0:00:12 GMT -5
Probably a clone (yeah, I said it again) of the guy. :::cue ominous music:::: Or a time traveler perhaps? 😉 Won't automatically dismiss any theory these days. |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 28, 2023 10:58:14 GMT -5
There was another cutout of Crowley that did not make the final shot. Here is a photo from the Pepper set showing a young Crowley, bottom row slightly left of center. I have rotated the image 90 degrees so the cutouts are upright:  The cutout was sourced from this well-known image:  -j |
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Post by cayetana on Aug 2, 2023 13:39:28 GMT -5
That’s interesting, I’ve looked up “Liam Steen”s YouTube channel and there’s a comment there by someone called kennymilne6817. I thought the name sounded familiar and then I remembered I came across him (?) on a few PID channels a couple times . Now I have my doubts about Silly Willy Shepherd’s one but the comments by “Kenny” caught my eye. Apparently, he’s someone who helped “Liam” with his online book and he also claims he’s friends with William. Some of the things he says in the comments:
“If you mean William, then he is William Shears from London as far as I know. He was well known on the London scene before he took role of Paul. Friends with the Floyd, Barrett etc. The whole Stanshall thing is like all of this mystery. Most of it untrue with a sprinkling of fact. In Memoirs, the author claims he created Stanshall and Ackrill. They were real people. However, Stanshall was a good friend of William from their London club days of early/mid 60s so could they have swapped identities briefly to gauge reaction? Same with Ackrill. He is first person you see in MMT. Why? I have seen a "Paul" photo that's clearly Ackrill in disguise. Again, a brief cameo? That I have to say is my own opinion as I haven't discussed it with anyone in the know.
I will reveal that I was told by a UK musician from the 60s that JPM went "underground to write". He was still under contract to the Beatles so helped out in private. It was though William in public and on record. It's a crazy situation which no-one seems to have all the pieces of the jigsaw.
I did get told recently that the whole McCartney mystery will be revealed at some point in the future in the form of a documentary. That would be worth watching.
The guy who is Sir Paul McCartney was previously William (Billy) Shears. Campbell is a name on his Mothers side of the family and Shepherd isn't associated with William at all.
Bill was someone who was given an amazing opportunity by Paul himself. He is a very articulate and friendly guy. Different personality from Paul, but his two great passions are music and family. Doubles were used, particularly for Paul due to illness ,but only he was replaced,and by his own request.
Liam is a good friend of mine. I helped him out. It's his story. He put it out there which put great pressure on himself and his family. Foster and Williams (and others who benefit financially from made up nonsense) were quick to get their followers on the attack. Liam also got into trouble with the industry, as he basically broke an NDA with some of his revelations, particularly with some videos he out out at that time.
I'm not denying I was pushing Liam's story a few years back. You may class it as a fairytale but that's what happened to Liam. He got a phone call from Epstein on 5th October 66 to say Paul's heart had stopped and he collapsed in the bathroom and died. Now Liam is first to say he wasn't actually there when it happened but this is his story. Nothing unusual about Liam joining a pid site, he did after all set up his own Facebook PID site. As for uharriet, I don't know anything about him apart from involvement in the Memoirs which is nonsense.
I helped Liam put it out through sending previews to PID and music sites. Believe me, Liam does not need money. He has way more than enough!!! It was always about getting his story out there. In many years gone by, there have been several prominent names putting out info, especially the old pro boards a couple of decades ago. It's the only way they can do it.”
I wonder who these people are…
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 3, 2023 0:03:54 GMT -5
That’s interesting, I’ve looked up “Liam Steen”s YouTube channel and there’s a comment there by someone called kennymilne6817. I thought the name sounded familiar and then I remembered I came across him (?) on a few PID channels a couple times . Now I have my doubts about Silly Willy Shepherd’s one but the comments by “Kenny” caught my eye. Apparently, he’s someone who helped “Liam” with his online book and he also claims he’s friends with William. Some of the things he says in the comments: “If you mean William, then he is William Shears from London as far as I know. He was well known on the London scene before he took role of Paul. Friends with the Floyd, Barrett etc. The whole Stanshall thing is like all of this mystery. Most of it untrue with a sprinkling of fact. In Memoirs, the author claims he created Stanshall and Ackrill. They were real people. However, Stanshall was a good friend of William from their London club days of early/mid 60s so could they have swapped identities briefly to gauge reaction? Same with Ackrill. He is first person you see in MMT. Why? I have seen a "Paul" photo that's clearly Ackrill in disguise. Again, a brief cameo? That I have to say is my own opinion as I haven't discussed it with anyone in the know. I will reveal that I was told by a UK musician from the 60s that JPM went "underground to write". He was still under contract to the Beatles so helped out in private. It was though William in public and on record. It's a crazy situation which no-one seems to have all the pieces of the jigsaw. I did get told recently that the whole McCartney mystery will be revealed at some point in the future in the form of a documentary. That would be worth watching. The guy who is Sir Paul McCartney was previously William (Billy) Shears. Campbell is a name on his Mothers side of the family and Shepherd isn't associated with William at all. Bill was someone who was given an amazing opportunity by Paul himself. He is a very articulate and friendly guy. Different personality from Paul, but his two great passions are music and family. Doubles were used, particularly for Paul due to illness ,but only he was replaced,and by his own request. Liam is a good friend of mine. I helped him out. It's his story. He put it out there which put great pressure on himself and his family. Foster and Williams (and others who benefit financially from made up nonsense) were quick to get their followers on the attack. Liam also got into trouble with the industry, as he basically broke an NDA with some of his revelations, particularly with some videos he out out at that time. I'm not denying I was pushing Liam's story a few years back. You may class it as a fairytale but that's what happened to Liam. He got a phone call from Epstein on 5th October 66 to say Paul's heart had stopped and he collapsed in the bathroom and died. Now Liam is first to say he wasn't actually there when it happened but this is his story. Nothing unusual about Liam joining a pid site, he did after all set up his own Facebook PID site. As for uharriet, I don't know anything about him apart from involvement in the Memoirs which is nonsense. I helped Liam put it out through sending previews to PID and music sites. Believe me, Liam does not need money. He has way more than enough!!! It was always about getting his story out there. In many years gone by, there have been several prominent names putting out info, especially the old pro boards a couple of decades ago. It's the only way they can do it.” I wonder who these people are… Fascinating….two things stand out for me….”underground to write” definitely resonates….”The guy who is Sir Paul McCartney was previously William (Billy) Shears. Campbell is a name on his Mothers side of the family and Shepherd isn't associated with William at all.”…….reminds me of the response ACV gave when I inquired about Bill Shepherd…. “The “Bill” you see is not the “Bill” we are discussing” I believe were his words…..FWIW He called Shepherd the genesis of the replacements more heard than seen… |
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Post by cayetana on Aug 3, 2023 10:48:51 GMT -5
Interesting indeed… I tried googling him and the first result I came up with was Tina Fosters post Letter B linked above where she calls ”Liam Steen” a fraud and a disinfo agent and also mentions one Kenny Milne. After I googled “Kenny Milne Paul McCartney” however, I got a couple of results from Quora, apparently he has an account there and answers questions about Paul/William. Note he mentions none other than ACV in his comment! I decided I’d copy the most informative ones and post them here just in case they disappear from Quora, so here goes:
“Billy regards himself as an artist not a star or celebrity. My own opinion is that Billy is a better all round musician. He is a classically trained multi instrumentalist. The orchestration you hear on “Revolver” was Billy's first contribution to the band. In saying that, despite Paul being unable, nor indeed willing, to read or compose music he made a remarkable contribution to music history. An excellent bass player and incredibly songwriter, his partnership with Lennon will live on forever.
Billy is from the upper classes of London. Signed as a ghost musician to Decca in late 50s. He is most certainly not a fictional character. He is being introduced on Sgt Pepper. His official arrival was the song “Hello Goodbye”. Written by Paul to say goodbye and for William to say hello. William was Paul's choice to replace him in the band. When he was being overlooked for induction into the Hall of Fame, he commented that the panel “knew he was the guy who wrote “Hey Jude", but not the guy who wrote “Yesterday”.
Paul wanted to retire from the limelight. The disastrous 1966 World tour was the end for him. He also had health issues. The replacement was meant to be temporary, and Paul was still contracted to write for the band. However, it continued after the success of Sgt Pepper. Paul wasn't convinced about the change of musical direction. This is why Lennon sang “so Sgt Pepper took you by surprise”. The replacement, William, as I've said, was actually a better musician than Paul. Paul was a better songwriter so it was a great partnership. There is clear differences between the two. William is taller, longer face, one has attached earlobes, the other doesn't. There is evidence throughout the years. Many deliberate clues from Beatles people. Both Paul and William were on the magical mystery tour bus! You can tell the difference. William has shorter hair and clean shaven. Paul has longer hair and small beard. William never really mastered the Liverpool accent either lol. It is mainly William you see in public now. Despite being older than Paul, he looks younger. William's hair is white and currently had a bit of a beard going on. Paul tends to dye his hair and has a much rounder face. It is a strange situation I agree. It was what Paul wanted though. He called a meeting or the band, management and his father and announced his intentions. I have spoken to three people who were at that meeting. They all tell the same story.
There is info on William online but you've got to know where to look for it. As I've said, people are used to seeing William. He didn't look like Paul, only a resemblance. He is not as good a bass player as he is right handed. He has a totally different personality. The three people I know who were at the meeting are all still alive so that rules out John and George. One of them is a good friend…
If you look back at the musings of Apollo C Vermouth on the old sites from around 15 years ago, (some are still there), it is of huge importance. Why? Because that was actually Neil Aspinall. His comments stopped around one month before he died. The independent site then confirmed it was him. For a while there was an online manuscript about the replacement. Again, from an employee who is still alive and I'm not naming. The music industry knows there is two Paul's. Most artists don't care, others do. For example, Graham Nash thinks William took the role for all the wrong reasons. Others were fascinated by the deception. Lennon wrote the song" Sally and Billy” as he was shocked that William left his girlfriend of three years, Sally, to become a Beatle. There are lyrics in other group's songs about William. The Who is a good starting place as Townsend is a friend of William. For example, lyrics about being “three inches taller, the man of the moment”. Lennon sang “oh you naughty boy you let your face grow long". It's all hidden in plain sight. I could go on untill Xmas Day about clues etc but I won't lol. I'm sure you understand there's a limit to what I can reveal and who told me.😉
Paul used Vermouth as a pseudonym but it was Aspinalls handle in the old board pages before Facebook became popular. The manuscript was originally meant to be an online book. I have a hard copy in my desk. It is written by a Beatles management employee with contributions from two other VIPs. The individual had a YouTube channel at one time as well and I helped promote the preview of the book online. He made some videos too. He used a pseudonym, but it was linked to his real identity. He withdrew all this around a year ago due to constant harrasment from PID groups and those who make money from claiming Paul (and in some cases, all the Beatles) died horrible deaths in 1966!!! He also got pressure from the industry who didn't care for his revelations as it would hit them financially and cause great embarrassment.
However, many of the photos Linda took on the farm in early 70s are very telling. The guy with Linda, young kids and Martha the dog looks absolutely nothing like Paul lol. They are wonderful photos from a great photographer but little has been done to make William resemble Paul.
I chat to Paul [he clearly means William] on a regular basis when he has time. He chats sometimes for hours.lol. He is a very articulate, funny and polite guy. He loves remembering things from the past he has forgotten. Always takes an interest in what I'm doing, although that is little compared to him. He isn't a person who will sit at night and watch a TV box set. His two great passions are family and music. His knowledge of other artists and their music is amazing. He is a workaholic who always has “projects” in progress. It can be several weeks that I don't hear from him then he will contact me and chat for hours over a couple of nights.
A few years ago I helped one of his former in-laws with some work online. I didn't realise who the individual was at that time or that he still worked for Paul. I chatted to him and he gave me an email address. It started from there really.
I didn't work in the music industry. I worked for the government before early retirement. I just knew a lot of the Beatles and music sites online. I was friends with fans and site owners. When Paul's ex in law started chatting he said he had a manuscript he would like to put on the internet. I told him to give me a preview and I would post on the relevant sites as he was new to the process. It started from there. He eventually set up his own YouTube site with videos. Again I helped him get some publicity. The site is gone now but it was great fun for a while and Paul would make the odd appearance to give a comment or funny quote lol. By the end of that time I had one or Paul's email addresses although I chat to him now on a private messenger app. You are right though, he is very like what you see on real life and as he himself says, “never takes himself too seriously”.
It was basically a biographical account of Paul's ex in law and his life with the Beatles. It was interesting. I feel he should have written an autobiography, but he is a very private man and shuns publicity. Paul is hugely excited about the reissue of the Get Back/Let It Be documentary. He first mentioned seeing it a while ago before the COVID lockdown and was shocked what a great job Peter Jackson had done with the film. He says it's a more accurate depiction of the sessions and more fly on the wall .He is though disappointed that the film won't be in movie theatre's as was originally planned. He felt it would have been amazing to see on the big screen. The new remastered remix of the album is impressive. It wasn't mixed by Paul although he has final decision. He rarely disagrees with new mixes as he feels those remastering are excellent in their role,, led by Giles Martin.
Yes it was someone from Linda's family, but I've said too much already lol. Paul was disappointed that the documentary movie was being released on Disney plus over three nights. It's s subscription service that a lot of people aren't interested in. Not his choice. Hopefully the Blu Ray will be forthcoming!”
I’ve heard some of this info before, mainly about William’s habit of chatting with people online but most of it is new to me so I need some time to process it I guess :0
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