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Post by bandi on Jan 17, 2021 0:03:25 GMT -5
I have this quote saved on my PC. I reread it often; maybe because it vibrates my insides. I take what Apollo used to tell all of us as important, but this one quote rings out loudly in a positive way: "Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think. And yes, one and one and one is three. So, now you have me narrowed down a tad tighter. One sauntered back to the abyss from whence he came, one went on to put the 'Paul' experience to good work, and the other... Nuff said for now." Apollo Everyone has an opinion like everyone has an___________, well you know the saying. I just can't quite express what i sense as layers of meaning couched in what this man used to say on this forum. I think his passing a few years back was our loss, but if we look back at the things he used to post here we'd start to see a truth that doesn't hurt as much as if we followed the 'he died' on a literal basis.
Closer than you'd think.
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Post by ramone on Jan 17, 2021 13:13:41 GMT -5
Well, ACV was always upfront with the thought that there was (is) a replacement. And thru conversation it was evident that JPM was still around, certainly didn't die.
I took that quote as saying that Sir P didn't immediately step in (at least by himself) latter '66. There was others that made appearances briefly. Not sure if things were still in try out mode at that time or they were needed temporarily for pics etc.
In any event, it seems 'Bill' got the job - was settled on. I think he's been 'Paul' ever since.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jan 17, 2021 13:51:16 GMT -5
Well, ACV was always upfront with the thought that there was (is) a replacement. And thru conversation it was evident that JPM was still around, certainly didn't die. I took that quote as saying that Sir P didn't immediately step in (at least by himself) latter '66. There was others that made appearances briefly. Not sure if things were still in try out mode at that time or they were needed temporarily for pics etc. In any event, it seems 'Bill' got the job - was settled on. I think he's been 'Paul' ever since. Sounds more like there were always 3 main Pauls to me and photos from The Quarryman days bear that out.
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Post by ramone on Jan 17, 2021 15:25:42 GMT -5
Even if multiple Pauls existed pre '66 - I tend to lean toward there being one main Paul - and perhaps others were mostly fill in, photo or on screen stuff.
I think there was The Paul that did the playing, singing, stage work etc.
He had the distinctive bass playing skills, vocal skills, harmonizing skills, bow hunting skills (oops - drifted to N. Dynamite for a second there). Anyway, he had a distinctive vocal sound, distinctive bass playing style, distinctive sound when harmonizing with John (in particular) that can be heard consistently on albums but maybe more importantly - live on stage.
Let's face it - the lads may have been tired of touring - but an overriding factor here is that if you get a new Paul in he is just not going to have the bass playing skill to sound like JPM live. Does anyone really think he could master that proficiency and style in a month? I doubt it.
We don't see him really playing live until the rooftop concert. They could have played up there anytime. But they waited two years. If all I did everyday was play and practice for two years (that was my work) - I guess I (or others) could probably play left handed bass decently too after a couple years. Especially if I was raking in a decent salary and wanted to have the satisfaction of the achievement.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jan 17, 2021 19:19:47 GMT -5
Even if multiple Pauls existed pre '66 - I tend to lean toward there being one main Paul - and perhaps others were mostly fill in, photo or on screen stuff. I think there was The Paul that did the playing, singing, stage work etc. He had the distinctive bass playing skills, vocal skills, harmonizing skills, bow hunting skills (oops - drifted to N. Dynamite for a second there). Anyway, he had a distinctive vocal sound, distinctive bass playing style, distinctive sound when harmonizing with John (in particular) that can be heard consistently on albums but maybe more importantly - live on stage. Let's face it - the lads may have been tired of touring - but an overriding factor here is that if you get a new Paul in he is just not going to have the bass playing skill to sound like JPM live. Does anyone really think he could master that proficiency and style in a month? I doubt it. We don't see him really playing live until the rooftop concert. They could have played up there anytime. But they waited two years. If all I did everyday was play and practice for two years (that was my work) - I guess I (or others) could probably play left handed bass decently too after a couple years. Especially if I was raking in a decent salary and wanted to have the satisfaction of the achievement. The instruments and mics are not even plugged in during the rooftop concert.
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Post by ramone on Jan 18, 2021 9:49:27 GMT -5
Except for Bill not being ready and they have to fake it - what's the motivation? It would take more work to fake it then to just go up on the roof and do it.
Just re watched it - looks live to me. The only reason some think something wanky is going on is because it's for a film and it's edited. Ex: Get back was played 3 times and what we see is taken from different takes. So John might be playing a solo but in a quick shot look like he's strumming a chord or something. Not a big deal.
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Post by kennethmd on Jan 18, 2021 14:14:30 GMT -5
If you go look at the Videos before Paul supposed to died. You will notice that there are four Paul's Sparky Paul, Paul with a protruding chin, William Campbell Shears Mccartney and Paul Mccartney himself. All four of them could play and sing.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jan 18, 2021 14:38:49 GMT -5
Except for Bill not being ready and they have to fake it - what's the motivation? It would take more work to fake it then to just go up on the roof and do it. Just re watched it - looks live to me. The only reason some think something wanky is going on is because it's for a film and it's edited. Ex: Get back was played 3 times and what we see is taken from different takes. So John might be playing a solo but in a quick shot look like he's strumming a chord or something. Not a big deal. Nothing is plugged in. There are threads about this already that go into detail. The audio is entirely fake and was dubbed in.
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Post by ramone on Jan 18, 2021 17:17:13 GMT -5
I'd have to find those threads. Busy presently. But again, what's the motivation?
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jan 18, 2021 20:22:31 GMT -5
I'd have to find those threads. Busy presently. But again, what's the motivation? None of the dummies up there could sing or play?
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jan 18, 2021 20:23:32 GMT -5
If you go look at the Videos before Paul supposed to died. You will notice that there are four Paul's Sparky Paul, Paul with a protruding chin, William Campbell Shears Mccartney and Paul Mccartney himself. All four of them could play and sing. What do you make of the very, very tall Paul with the flat face and lower lids that look like they were cut off?
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Post by B on Jan 23, 2021 18:43:24 GMT -5
"Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think. And yes, one and one and one is three. So, now you have me narrowed down a tad tighter. One sauntered back to the abyss from whence he came, one went on to put the 'Paul' experience to good work, and the other... Nuff said for now." Apollo Closer than you'd think.
Got to be good looking (like yourself!) 'cause he's so hard to see
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Post by joseph on Jan 23, 2021 19:42:49 GMT -5
It's "the other ...nuff said for now." one that I worry about. Whoever was doing another Paul impersonation along with Faul in the late 60s, knew they were doing an impersonation. There can only be one person who knew he was Paul McCartney and I think ACV is an operator who is trying to make "us" forget him or at least overlook him.
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Post by cypher on Jan 26, 2021 3:33:46 GMT -5
Are there any users, mods or admins who used to keep in touch on a regular basis with the enigmatic Apollo character not only on this board, but also in private?
If so, would you be so kind as to share excerpts from conversations that have never seen the light of day up to this point?
Thank you in advance!
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Post by B on Jan 26, 2021 20:22:50 GMT -5
Red Lion did. He passes through every now and then.
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Post by ramone on Jan 27, 2021 1:24:54 GMT -5
(to Jarv:)
""I oRiginAlly thought of just sliding into oblivion, but thought that would be rather rude of Me. I am still unable to lOg iN at NIR, desPite the Assist by JoJo. Maybe, it was meant to be. I am rather delighted to see sUch progress being made here in regards to the Pepper cover. That is the story you seek. It's alL there. I know, I put it there. You know the old saying, "You can lead a horse to water..." I have pointed you all there many years ago. Time takes time. It has been a pleasure.
Apollo"
If you isolate the caps that are out of place you get RAMON PAUL.
-j"
ACV was interesting to say the least.
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Post by Red Lion on Feb 2, 2021 6:51:35 GMT -5
Hello, the OP’s quote was a response to a question I had asked ACV as to whether or not the original was still alive in. 2007 .
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Post by ramone on Feb 2, 2021 21:53:07 GMT -5
Thanks RL -
Jarv had an interesting observation "Apollo C. Vermouth is either James Paul McCartney or mad brilliant jerkoff. Either way, high IQ has a signature impossible to fake.
-j"
It was revealed that ACV was Neil Aspinall (after Neil died). Some can believe that or not. But, I had a sneaking suspicion JPM was involved in communicating also.
There also certainly seemed to be someone that was assisting ACV with these posts - maybe someone more tech savvy. Jojo could elaborate more on that. And this person may not have been JPM at all. (so, 3 people involved anyway) Heck, someone could say they are a male on some web site and he turns out to be a she. How could anyone know? These are words on a screen that we're dealing with.
But, if we are looking at what ACV said, it seems he was dropping the hint (not so subtly (RAMON PAUL)) that JPM was still alive and closer than we think. And if taken in the context of the communications - he might have been saying JPM was contributing to at least some of the posts.
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Post by B on Feb 9, 2021 20:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on Feb 14, 2021 22:54:06 GMT -5
From the link -
"RL
Glad to see you're aboard.
There was not much desire for Paul to return. The reasons being, well...the reason he left in the first place. Plus, with the cast in place, he could afford more time to come 'round if he chose. Paul was never totally out of sight. In fact, he managed to play a part in most of the behind the scenes part of running the Beatles.
Apollo"
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Post by walrusbook2021 on Feb 15, 2021 16:27:07 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in with the whole ACV thing, please?
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Post by B on Feb 15, 2021 17:56:15 GMT -5
"Apollo C Vermouth" who posted here is thought to have been Neil Aspinall.
He made comments to guide us along in figuring out the meaning of the whole "Paul Is Dead or was replaced" thing.
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Post by ramone on Feb 15, 2021 18:11:45 GMT -5
ACV was someone that posted on TKIN board and then here at NIR some years ago. He and some members communicated with PMs for quite a while.
Not sure if he ever said ‘hey guys - I’m an insider’ but that’s how he presented himself just thru the subject matter discussed. As far as PID it was obvious from his posts that Paul didn’t die. But it was also obvious that he was replaced. He was not ambiguous about that. He said Paul had his reasons why he left - (so, the replacement thing was of course planned)
He said the Sgt Pepper cover provided a lot of clues and that Beatles even later tried to steer people back to that (Sir Paul - "Flowers in the dirt” - fairly obvious).
He eventually stopped communicating - and someone communicating thru the same channels said that ACV was Neil Aspinall. Neil passed at exactly the same time when his PMs stopped and that other person PMd shortly after to let us know it was Neil.
There’s more to it but that’s it in a nutshell.
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Post by walrusbook2021 on Feb 16, 2021 18:31:16 GMT -5
Thanks for all that guys, appreciate it! So by the looks of it he was saying Paul didn’t die but he was replaced and had his reasons for doing so... interesting indeed
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Post by cayetana on May 5, 2021 13:57:06 GMT -5
I’ve just started reading ACV’s posts and it struck me that I’ve been told by a couple of people heavily into PID that this very narrative keeps surfacing in various PID groups on Facebook. If ACV really passed away then he must have some serious followers or maybe even assistants because his narrative lives on, on Facebook at least. I’m just so impressed with his storyline! Have I got it right that people thought he was Neil? Or one of the Pauls , or both?
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