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Post by cayetana on Jun 18, 2021 11:51:58 GMT -5
If memory serves, while most were familiar with the drum clue, etc at the time, a mirrored walrus didn't come to light until ACV mentioned this. It’s interesting because on the Anthology DVD, chapters 5/6, the last thing you see is a pic of the Pepper cover with the Walrus on it (that very mirror trick ACV is talking about), just that no one really seemed to have noticed. When did the Anthology TV series come out, November 1995 I think?
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Post by B on Jun 18, 2021 20:43:39 GMT -5
Was it a TV series? I didn't even know!
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Post by cayetana on Jun 19, 2021 8:23:05 GMT -5
Oh yeah, it’s terrific! It was broadcast both in the UK and in the States and later released on DVD. I rewatched chapter 6 (the Pepper bit) and they actually show the Pepper cover with the mirrored Walrus figure on it TWICE at the end of it! Surely someone wanted us to pay attention? There’s another figure on the left too and they both look like something from Magical Mystery Tour to me. Given Neil Aspinall was executive producer of the Anthology project and people here say ACV was Neil him pointing us back to Pepper cover makes sense as the series itself was trying to do the same thing.
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Post by B on Jun 19, 2021 11:00:58 GMT -5
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Post by apollodelphi on Jun 24, 2021 18:20:31 GMT -5
Well, after going over ACV’s posts once again I noticed he said some had solved the mystery but “walked away in disbelief”, so does this mean some have actually cracked the code so to speak? Did he mean someone on this forum? And what exactly was that mystery: Paul replaced but still living? Questions, questions... Hello
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Post by cayetana on Jul 8, 2021 7:59:12 GMT -5
Oh yes. Looking forward to it, should be interesting!
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Post by cayetana on Jul 8, 2021 8:25:37 GMT -5
Back to ACV though, I saw this on another forum (Mystery Tramp). Could you please fill me in on what’s going on in these two messages below? I take it one of the forum members was in touch with both ACV and someone else who helped him post? Did anyone ever find out who that person was (a Pinch of Vermouth)? If that’s proof ACV was indeed Neil Aspinall then why do they call him “Nell”? Also, they briefly mention “Paulie”?.. Here’s the post in question. Re: Luck o' the Smiling Irish « Message sent on Aug 17, 2008, 12:25am » Lucy ( in disguise ) Nell never posted to the group. I passed along whatever he wrote me. Verbatim. The answers and PMs sent to my attention were passed on to Nell for his reply. Later, as he became ill, I added some words of my own. His replies became short and less than poetic. I've been doing this long enough to know how he would have phrased his responses. The Sound and Fury post was all his. I think he was saying goodbye. Paulie added some words as well. The end part. I had enjoyed your company while all this was going on. I know Nell had a warm place in his heart for you as well. And yes, it was alot of work. But, by getting to know a tad about you made it worth every second. POV Re: Luck o' the Smiling Irish « Message sent on Aug 17, 2008, 2:59pm » Lucy (sheds her disuise) I cried too. Still do from time to time. It was a great loss. But through it all, Nell kept an odd sense of privacy. He wore his own disguise. It wasn't till the last final months that he began to shed everything that kept him safe. He became naked, so to speak. None of us wish to be seen it that attire. Lucy, I play no games. One thing I have learned through this experience is that life is a rare gift. I hate 20/20 hind sight. I call 'em likes I see 'em. I have no regrets. How do you like your steaks? I imagine how that would be. But, Louise makes it clear that Johanna is not here... POV I have hundreds of letters from the Vermouths. Until recently, that is. I'm giving these few to you, Beacon, to provide some closure to your work. My work, too. lol The above is the response I received from Iwill / Iameye / Lucy. It confirms that Apollo C Vermouth was Neil Aspinall which, all though we have long suspected this, is great to get confirmed and makes me believe that the nature of the blog is largely correct.
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Post by apollodelphi on Jul 17, 2021 15:47:06 GMT -5
All started from this on June 2nd 1963 and after what happened on April 18th 1963.
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Post by ramone on Jul 17, 2021 18:38:16 GMT -5
"why do they call him “Nell”? Also, they briefly mention “Paulie”?.. " Weird typo? Paulie? - JPM. That's my take.
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Post by B on Jul 17, 2021 22:11:30 GMT -5
All started from this on June 2nd 1963 and after what happened on April 18th 1963. Interesting set of pictures. I'm not aware what the significance of those dates is, though.
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Post by cayetana on Jul 20, 2021 8:04:20 GMT -5
"why do they call him “Nell”? Also, they briefly mention “Paulie”?.. " Weird typo? Paulie? - JPM. That's my take. I too thought they meant JPM but I don’t think “Nell“ is a typo. If you go back to Guest board forum there’s a thread there called An Open Letter where A Pinch of Vermouth says this: “For those who lack the understanding of any relationship, Nell was a nickname used by many, Fabs included.” Do I take it several people could be behind that nickname? Like for example Neil Aspinall and JPM? And possibly Bill (if such a person exists)?
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Post by cayetana on Jul 20, 2021 8:20:35 GMT -5
All started from this on June 2nd 1963 and after what happened on April 18th 1963. Interesting pictures, thank you for posting this, don’t think I ever saw them before (one of them credited to Tony Barrow their PR man I notice but the real photographer is not known). It appears they were taken in the Westen-Super-Mare hotel in Somerset and the Beatles are having a chat with Gerry and the Pacemakers. Right before their worldwide fame. Quite fascinating. April 18 1963 — Beatles play at the Royal Albert Hall for the first time, Paul meets Jane and a photo session with Fiona Adams takes place (shortly after they appeared on the Thank your lucky stars show hosted by Jimmy Saville). June 2 — concert at the Hippodrome, Brighton. Or did you mean July 2?
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Post by cayetana on Dec 27, 2021 17:19:21 GMT -5
"why do they call him “Nell”? Also, they briefly mention “Paulie”?.. " Weird typo? Paulie? - JPM. That's my take. Turns out it was not a typo after all. “Paul McCartney dubbed him ‘Nell,’ and the Beatles always called him Nell rather than Neil.” www.triumphpc.com/mersey-beat/beatles/neilaspinall2.shtml
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Post by beatlas231 on Dec 28, 2021 0:56:40 GMT -5
I have this quote saved on my PC. I reread it often; maybe because it vibrates my insides. I take what Apollo used to tell all of us as important, but this one quote rings out loudly in a positive way: "Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think. And yes, one and one and one is three. So, now you have me narrowed down a tad tighter. One sauntered back to the abyss from whence he came, one went on to put the 'Paul' experience to good work, and the other... Nuff said for now." Apollo Everyone has an opinion like everyone has an___________, well you know the saying. I just can't quite express what i sense as layers of meaning couched in what this man used to say on this forum. I think his passing a few years back was our loss, but if we look back at the things he used to post here we'd start to see a truth that doesn't hurt as much as if we followed the 'he died' on a literal basis.
Closer than you'd think.
“All of our messages were subliminal” - John Lennon
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Post by cayetana on Dec 28, 2021 5:56:30 GMT -5
"Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think. And yes, one and one and one is three. So, now you have me narrowed down a tad tighter. One sauntered back to the abyss from whence he came, one went on to put the 'Paul' experience to good work, and the other... Nuff said for now.” Apollo
Didn’t Dr Henry Truby come to the conclusion there were three different “McCartney” voices heard on the Beatles records?
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Post by kvo on Dec 28, 2021 7:09:09 GMT -5
I have this quote saved on my PC. I reread it often; maybe because it vibrates my insides. I take what Apollo used to tell all of us as important, but this one quote rings out loudly in a positive way: "Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think. And yes, one and one and one is three. So, now you have me narrowed down a tad tighter. One sauntered back to the abyss from whence he came, one went on to put the 'Paul' experience to good work, and the other... Nuff said for now." Apollo Everyone has an opinion like everyone has an___________, well you know the saying. I just can't quite express what i sense as layers of meaning couched in what this man used to say on this forum. I think his passing a few years back was our loss, but if we look back at the things he used to post here we'd start to see a truth that doesn't hurt as much as if we followed the 'he died' on a literal basis.
Closer than you'd think.
“All of our messages were subliminal” - John Lennon So I have thought about the comment by Apollo quite a lot. To me, it indicates three phases of Pauls. This is what I see when I look at Paul photos from the very genesis of the band. I noted a very early older looking Paul who seemed to vanish prior to the band's world-wide success (at least his natural face vanished, but he may have appeared from time to time masked up during Beatlemania). I noted a few photos of this early Paul, but one in particular can be found in a September 1962 issue of Mersey Beat together with an article titled "A Little Bare". Then, we all see our main Beatlemania Paul, then the entity called Billy. Three main Pauls. Though it seems to me that other perhaps non-performing Pauls were thrown into various photos and videos we see. Thus, an entire Marching Band of Pauls (creating confusion), but only three main performing Pauls - a very early older looking one, then the main Beatlemania Paul, then Billy. Three main performing Pauls seen in three phases of the band would fit with what Apollo is saying. One went back to the abyss - our main Beatlemania Paul (the song Get Back?). Yes, I know the official story of Get Back is that it refers to Linda Eastman's ex-husband who supposedly lived in Arizona, but when it comes to Beatles lore, who knows? Then, one went on to put the Paul experience to work (Billy?). And the other? Perhaps Apollo was our original early Paul? Just some thoughts......Not a concrete theory.
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Post by kvo on Dec 31, 2021 22:46:28 GMT -5
"Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think. And yes, one and one and one is three. So, now you have me narrowed down a tad tighter. One sauntered back to the abyss from whence he came, one went on to put the 'Paul' experience to good work, and the other... Nuff said for now.” Apollo Didn’t Dr Henry Truby come to the conclusion there were three different “McCartney” voices heard on the Beatles records? Yes, but I believe that one of the three voices was positively identified as Denny Lane. And the analysis was done on music recorded after 1966. So Dr. Truby did not identify three Pauls blended together on post-1966 recordings. I believe Dr. Truby's analysis proved that our main Beatlemania Paul's voice was not heard on music recorded after 1966. I believe the conclusion people drew from the Truby analysis is that the post-1966 blended voices were done to try and approximate Beatlemania Paul's voice. But there is very little left on the Internet of Truby discussing his analysis.
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Post by cayetana on Jun 26, 2022 9:42:54 GMT -5
“All of our messages were subliminal” - John Lennon So I have thought about the comment by Apollo quite a lot. To me, it indicates three phases of Pauls. This is what I see when I look at Paul photos from the very genesis of the band. I noted a very early older looking Paul who seemed to vanish prior to the band's world-wide success (at least his natural face vanished, but he may have appeared from time to time masked up during Beatlemania). I noted a few photos of this early Paul, but one in particular can be found in a September 1962 issue of Mersey Beat together with an article titled "A Little Bare". Then, we all see our main Beatlemania Paul, then the entity called Billy. Three main Pauls. Though it seems to me that other perhaps non-performing Pauls were thrown into various photos and videos we see. Thus, an entire Marching Band of Pauls (creating confusion), but only three main performing Pauls - a very early older looking one, then the main Beatlemania Paul, then Billy. Three main performing Pauls seen in three phases of the band would fit with what Apollo is saying. One went back to the abyss - our main Beatlemania Paul (the song Get Back?). Yes, I know the official story of Get Back is that it refers to Linda Eastman's ex-husband who supposedly lived in Arizona, but when it comes to Beatles lore, who knows? Then, one went on to put the Paul experience to work (Billy?). And the other? Perhaps Apollo was our original early Paul? Just some thoughts......Not a concrete theory. Very interesting, makes a lot of sense! I never noticed the early “older looking” Paul, I’ll need to have a look.
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Post by kvo on Jun 29, 2022 10:28:10 GMT -5
So I have thought about the comment by Apollo quite a lot. To me, it indicates three phases of Pauls. This is what I see when I look at Paul photos from the very genesis of the band. I noted a very early older looking Paul who seemed to vanish prior to the band's world-wide success (at least his natural face vanished, but he may have appeared from time to time masked up during Beatlemania). I noted a few photos of this early Paul, but one in particular can be found in a September 1962 issue of Mersey Beat together with an article titled "A Little Bare". Then, we all see our main Beatlemania Paul, then the entity called Billy. Three main Pauls. Though it seems to me that other perhaps non-performing Pauls were thrown into various photos and videos we see. Thus, an entire Marching Band of Pauls (creating confusion), but only three main performing Pauls - a very early older looking one, then the main Beatlemania Paul, then Billy. Three main performing Pauls seen in three phases of the band would fit with what Apollo is saying. One went back to the abyss - our main Beatlemania Paul (the song Get Back?). Yes, I know the official story of Get Back is that it refers to Linda Eastman's ex-husband who supposedly lived in Arizona, but when it comes to Beatles lore, who knows? Then, one went on to put the Paul experience to work (Billy?). And the other? Perhaps Apollo was our original early Paul? Just some thoughts......Not a concrete theory. Very interesting, makes a lot of sense! I never noticed the early “older looking” Paul, I’ll need to have a look. There are some interesting very early Paul and John faces. Check the Fireman thread and the Enumerating Pauls thread. Happy hunting!
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Post by cayetana on Jun 29, 2022 10:54:14 GMT -5
Very interesting, makes a lot of sense! I never noticed the early “older looking” Paul, I’ll need to have a look. There are some interesting very early Paul and John faces. Check the Fireman thread and the Enumerating Pauls thread. Happy hunting! Great! Thanks!
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