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Post by puzzled on Mar 14, 2009 2:53:46 GMT -5
I've been adding to this thread for a while now and I can't remember if I posted this one or not. "Daniel" as sung by Elton John, has the basic generic vague lyrics and has been linked to many potential theories. I have my own.
Sticking with the Ancient Mystery School theory, Spain is an ancient pilgrimage for adepts, who depending upon the specific group of affiliation, usually have a list of locations where certain initiations are undertaken for different levels.
Knowing this, I believe the lyrics are referring to this type of trip being undertaken, and the death mentioned is another symbolic one. That is why he "sees more than I."
Daniel
Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane I can see the red tail lights heading for Spain Oh and I can see Daniel waving goodbye God it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes [granted, this one does seem to tell of a real death, but is it?]
They say Spain is pretty though I've never been Well Daniel says it's the best place that he's ever seen Oh and he should know, he's been there enough Lord I miss Daniel, oh I miss him so much
Daniel my brother you are older than me [could older be a higher level of initiation?] Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won't heal [initiation scars?] Your eyes have died but you see more than I Daniel you're a star in the face of the sky
Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane I can see the red tail lights heading for Spain Oh and I can see Daniel waving goodbye God it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes Oh God it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes [During divination, a mist forms between the skrying tool and the viewer's eyes. This mist allegedly forms into a spirit, depending on which ritual has been performed]
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Post by puzzled on Mar 14, 2009 20:21:01 GMT -5
I found this word study by Michael Tsarion: APPLEFrom the word Apollo. Also Avalon meant the Land of the Apples, a veiled reference to the pre-diluvian Garden of Eden and the Egyptian creation myths, which were known throughout the world. Saint Paul in the Bible is a analogue to this ancient mythic character and today we have the names Paul and Paolo, etc,. The name Apollo also refers to the earth’s axis or Pole. This is because the earth was seen like an apple or 'fruit' in space. There are several companies that make use of the word Polo. Moreover, in ancient times the Siderealists used the symbol of an apple to represent the female ovum. Females were the goddesses that gave life. Therefore, they were called the Trees of Life. Their produce were the fruits, the apples from the proverbial Tree. (We still speak of the "fruit of the loins"). So apples were ovum that are produced by the female body in order to incubate life. The worm or Serpent that encircles the great Tree and the Apples is the male spermatozoon. Its entering of the individual ovum was always referred to by the ancients as the "Biting of the Apple."Today we still refer to problem children as “rotten apples.”
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Post by puzzled on Mar 15, 2009 6:26:32 GMT -5
More pertinent info from Michael Tsarion:
Androgyny
The "biting of the apple" is a hermeneutic for the sperm/serpent, entering the ovum at the moment of conception. But this elaborate and evocative story of the garden of Eden was not only about the sexual biology we are all versed in. It contained deeper motifs, relating to Androgyny and the union of the energies of the Shiva and Shakti, Osiris and Isis, Adam and Eve, Guinevere and Arthur, etc,. In the myth of Osiris we find him cut into 15 pieces. This is because there are 15 joints to the male body, 14 for the Female. (14 + 15 = 29 = 11 - JUSTICE, the Libran card of the marriage of opposites. 11 is one and one or the meeting of the opposites in the Chymical Marriage or Hieros Gamos). The moon’s cycle is complete after 29 days.
The Pharaoh is always seen with his arms crossed over his breast. This is not a symbol of death. Actually, when the right arm (male) crosses the left side and the left arm (female) crosses the right side we have a symbol for bi-unity or Androgyny. Moreover, the "Crook and the Flail" symbols that he carries also represent, among other things, the ovum and sperm again.
Our number 9 came from the symbol of the sperm which must enter the female ovum, which is why we have the number 10. The curved number 9 has that design to represent the male phallic 1 returning to, or becoming the circle or zero. Male returning from whence it came. There is a Gnostic/Pythagorean adage that states: The circle doth beget the line, but the line begetteth not a circle. It should be obvious now what this means. In magic the protecting circle is commonly of 9 feet (cubits) in diameter. The "squaring the circle" motif is common in most city architecture. One must become familiar with the concept of Androgyny and how the ancients were concerned with it. Little that is contained in world myth, legend and lore is going to make much sense unless one is conversant with Androgyny. The entire Alchemical "Magnum Opus" deals with it explicitly.
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Post by puzzled on Mar 15, 2009 13:00:17 GMT -5
And another good one:
Forty days in the Wilderness
In many of the Bible stories, we hear of the prophets or the heroes venturing into, or being exiled into, the "desert" or the so-called "wilderness." The most famous cases are Abraham, Jacob, Moses and Christ, though all the major myths feature something similar. Like all the passages of the scriptures, this is an occult reference. It deals with the heavens and with astrology, and well the clergy know it. It was mentioned that the sun passing through the twelve signs of the zodiac was frequently used as a motif in the great myths of the heroes. Well the sun reaches it's highest place in the sign of Cancer. Cancer was one of the most important of the signs and the symbolism connected with it is very ancient.
The Egyptians had several gods associated with the sign. The most important of these was Khepra or Khepera and his personal symbol was the scarab beetle. Later the astronomers changed the icon of the scarabeus beetle to a crab. But though the sign of Cancer was the highest position of the sign and though it is the most northerly of the sign, it was given rulership by the Moon. It was also known as the Gate of Coming Forth, meaning coming forth into the world. The souls were thought to descend to the terrestrial abode via the sign of Cancer. This is why the sign is still associated with the female and the mother. Many important constellations, including the Great Bear, Ursa Major and the pole star are also in Cancer. However the majority of the sign of Cancer is dark. Its constellations are particularly dim. And it was because of this that the ancient Magi referred to Cancer as the "wilderness." And when the sun was entering into the sign it was said that it had entered into the wilderness for 40 days. This is because most signs are considered 30 degrees wide and of 30 days in duration. But with 5 or so degrees on either side, we make 40 altogether.
I don't think I have found this specific interpretation before, but maybe I just didn't put it together in my head. He says that this area of the heavens is where the souls come to incarnate on this planet. So beetles would be carrying the 'ka' as has been pointed out before, but they also deliver new souls for their life here, as well as take the soul away after death.
We also have the Ursa Major, Ursa Minor references in Paul's songs, and the fact that they keep beaming messages up there.
I've been picking up on the astronomical clues in the mythologies, but it seems Tsarion is saying that the entire structure is only there specifically to communicate astronomical info and nothing else. It feels kind of disappointing, but I can certainly follow his logic.
When I think about JPM in an astrological way, his sign is Gemini, which is of course twins. And here we are arguing whether there are two (or sometimes more) of him in the world - it seems meaningful somehow. In another document I read that the idea of the Gemini twins is that your physical body here that is visible is one version of you, and the soul/spiritual side of you is your twin, as though it exists in a mirrored existence. I suppose Egyptian astronomy and astrology must be my next areas of examination.
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Post by puzzled on Mar 25, 2009 0:05:24 GMT -5
Welcome the Rolling Stones Apparently there is a mobile stone that travels around to give support when needed. It is called the Chintamani Stone, and was even loaned to the League of Nations. I haven't found a specific quote to link the name "rolling" stone yet, but I found this quote regarding the symbolism on our currency interesting: Many of Henry Wallace's ideas originated with his guru, the Russian mystic and artist Nicholas Roerich. He was an adventurer/occultist in the tradition of his peers Madame Blavatsky, and Aleister Crowley. Roerich spent many years traveling through Nepal and Tibet studying with the lamas in the Buddhist monasteries of those countries. Roerich was searching for the lost city of Shambhala. In esoteric circles Shambhala is the home of the Ascended Masters, Secret Chiefs, or the Great White Brotherhood – the hidden hand behind the formation and guidance of Freemasons, the Sufis, the Knights Templars, the Rosicrucians, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and the Theosophical Society – both Wallace and Roerich were members of the Theosophical Society, this is how Wallace met his Master. Roerich seems to have been an emmisary of sorts for the Great White Brotherhood – even bringing a mysterious stone to guide the League of Nations on behalf of the Masters (according to legend, the 'Chintamani Stone' was believed to be a part of a magical meteorite from a solar system [probably Sirius] in the Orion constellation. This Chintamani Stone is sent wherever a spiritual mission vital to humanity is set up, and is returned when that mission is completed). A mysterious stone was indeed mentioned by Wallace in one of his typical "Dear Guru" letters to Roerich: "And I have thought of the admonition ` Await the Stone.' We await the Stone and we welcome you again to this glorius land of destiny." Not surprisingly, occultists regard Roerich as the guiding hand behind the placement of America's Great Seal and the All-Seeing Eye, and matter-of-factly state that it was at Roerich's insistence that Wallace approach Roosevelt about finally printing the All-Seeing Eye on the dollar bill. www.scribd.com/doc/11999678/The-Occult-Masonic-Temple-God-Volume-1
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Post by puzzled on Mar 25, 2009 16:58:46 GMT -5
The Psychonaut discusses how music effects our brains, moods, bodies, and emotions:
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Post by iameye on Mar 25, 2009 20:20:30 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Mar 26, 2009 9:00:32 GMT -5
Of cabbages--and kings-- Rosa × centifolia (lit. hundred leaved/petaled rose; syn. R. gallica var. centifolia (L.) Regel), the provence rose or cabbage rose or Rose de Mai is a hybrid rose developed by Dutch rose breeders in the period between the 1600s and the 1800s, possibly earlier. It is a complex hybrid bred from Rosa gallica, Rosa moschata, Rosa canina, and Rosa damascena en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_centifolia
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Post by puzzled on Mar 27, 2009 3:11:24 GMT -5
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Post by B on Mar 27, 2009 9:43:01 GMT -5
I think that came from here!
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Post by puzzled on Mar 27, 2009 15:51:07 GMT -5
I think that came from here! LOL - sorry whoever made it! I thought I'd read every thread here by now.
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Post by skyward on Mar 27, 2009 16:46:28 GMT -5
I think that came from here! LOL - sorry whoever made it! I thought I'd read every thread here by now. I posted that image, though initially, it didn't have the outline around the flowers, someone else added that. Check up on Crowley's Abbey in Thelema, Italy, the murals on the walls featured similar phallic imagery. The image host I used must have felt the economic pinch, as it shut itself down.
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Post by iameye on Mar 28, 2009 9:44:17 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Apr 4, 2009 13:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by ensenata on Apr 14, 2009 5:06:04 GMT -5
Lol that looks really nice... and weird. A.C. at the top and a penis at the bottom... ;D Don't know if this is already been said (I'll find out after some replies I think) but I don't think Paul was the son of Aleister Crowley (it could be ofcourse! I'm not all-knowing) Because then Paul Mccartney should be family of George Bush too Since Barbara Bush's mother was impregnated by Aleister... If we can trace that, we should be able to trace that of Paul right? We can even trace Hitler to Rothschild... Maybe the evidence is already posted here somewhere, I don't know.. I just got here... I'll be looking around here the next couple of weeks though. And perhaps longer if it's a nice place here... which it looks like for as far as I have seen... lots of open minded people with good info. Still a busy forum actually?
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Post by B on Apr 14, 2009 14:34:43 GMT -5
We're moderately busy these days, I would say. You might want to take note of grandfather aleister's # 4 video regarding Paul being Crowley's grandson based on a scene from the movie "A Hard Day's Night". (Or perhaps the devil's grandson.) Paul is Dead - 4 - McCartney's Grandfather Aleisterwww.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ajZ86Wh64Check out the Rotten Apple section at the bottom of the main page for the iamaphoney and related videos.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Apr 15, 2009 16:07:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure where this belongs, but I think that this is the most logical spot for it. I've watched the first three episodes and it's quite impressive. Conspiritus part 1/10 - The Satanic Illuminati ConspiracyYoutube link: www.youtube.com/user/Xendrius
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Post by puzzled on Aug 7, 2009 15:05:00 GMT -5
I have read many quotes where people say that "It was 20 years ago today, Sgt. Pepper taught his band to play" is a reference to Crowley, because he DIED twenty years before the song was released.
This doesn't make any sense to me. If he DIED twenty years ago, how exactly would he be teaching his band to play? Wouldn't his influence been during his lifetime and not after?
(you know from my previous postings I do believe Crowley was a big influence, just can't accept this particular interpretation)
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Post by faulguy on Aug 7, 2009 15:18:31 GMT -5
Crowley passed on - was "resurrected" through rock'n roll (The Beatles, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc).
Paul passed on and "resurrected" through Bill.
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Post by puzzled on Aug 7, 2009 15:22:05 GMT -5
Crowley passed on - was "resurrected" through rock n`roll (The Beatles, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.) Paul passed on and "resurrected" through Bill. Thank you for that explanation. I guess it is the word "taught" that has me questioning the idea. Teaching seems to imply a direct involvement of passing on information. Maybe there is a particular ritual that imparts knowledge in this way?
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Post by puzzled on Aug 12, 2009 22:16:16 GMT -5
This particular author has concluded that the FBI and CIA killed off the rock stars. I found an interesting tidbit I wasn't aware of: "EMI's possible role in 1966 anti-Lennon campaign:...besides being a record company [with whom the Beatles had a recording contract], Electrical and Musical Industries (EMI) was a weapons contractor to the British War Office. This means a high-ranking official within the American government, like President Lyndon B. Johnson, for example, could have easily made a phone call to EMI's then-chairman, Sir Joseph Lockwood, and expressed concern that this John Lennon fellow had too much influence over the young people in America and any help by EMI to rein him in would be very much appreciated by the United States government...According to [Beatles biographer] Philip Norman, the Prime Minister of Britain, Harold Wilson, had called Sir Joseph Lockwood at least once [in 1965]... RCA also owned a major part of EMI...RCA was led for 50 years by David Sarnoff...During World War II, Sarnoff served on General Eisenhower's staff as a communications consultant and was promoted to brigadier general. Even more interesting, a Britannica article on Sarnoff states the following: 'As a boy in Russia Sarnoff spent several years in preparing for a career as a Jewish scholar of the Talmud.'" www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htmI highlight it for the studying of the Talmud (and possibly Kabbala as well?).
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Post by getsmart on Oct 14, 2009 16:53:30 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to explore this thread entirely yet, but wanted to post a photo of Crowley at an age where there is a likeness to Faul (for me the verdict isn't in concerning Paul):
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Post by thisone on Oct 14, 2009 19:25:08 GMT -5
I noticed straight away that some 'person' has been busy with Photoshop on this image of Crowley. The face has been touched-up and tinted and they gave his mouth a new shape.
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Post by B on Oct 15, 2009 9:42:09 GMT -5
Good observation, thisone! The eyebrows are different, and even the little cross-like thing † on his shoulder has been made to look like an orb. His eyes have been made to look more benign, and less like a 'wasted' individual.
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Post by il ras on Nov 3, 2009 18:42:18 GMT -5
from WIKI about Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn" In 1891, Westcott's correspondence with Anna Sprengel suddenly ceased, and he received word from Germany either that she was dead or that her companions did not approve of the founding of the Order and no further contact was to be made. If the founders were to contact the Secret Chiefs, therefore, it had to be done on their own.[13] In 1892, Mathers claimed a link to the Secret Chiefs had been formed and supplied rituals for the Second Order, called the Red Rose and Cross of Gold."
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