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Post by Mellow Yellow on Dec 3, 2007 4:25:15 GMT -5
I was listening to this bootleg track called "Paul's Piano Piece" from More River Rhine (Jojo has it) and I really wanted to learn it and kind of see if I could make it into a full fledged song. Problem is, I can't read music (I'll have had a piano a full year come Christmas) and while I can figure out the main melody, I just can't make out the bass notes and other stuff. I guess my ears haven't musically developed enough to recognize it all yet.
If I had a MIDI of it I could put it into a program I have and it would show me how to play it. Alternatively, if I had sheet music for it, I could sit down and (painstakingly) translate the notation into english (A#, Cb, etc).
So, does anyone know if such a program exists to convert MP3 to MIDI (or does anyone have sheet music for the piece I'm talking about)?
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Post by That Latvian Guy on Dec 3, 2007 9:44:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Dec 3, 2007 13:33:26 GMT -5
They want.... MONEY? You got to be kidding me. I was thinking more in the free - downloadable price range ;D
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Post by The Deceptionist on Dec 3, 2007 18:05:43 GMT -5
as far as i know mp3 to midi aint gonna happen without a nice little bit of kit.
but kudos on learning to play using midi, thats exactly how i learned lol
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Dec 3, 2007 18:55:18 GMT -5
Darn... I guess there's no way of me learning it then (I doubt sheet music even exists of it).
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Post by Doc on Dec 3, 2007 22:40:57 GMT -5
Darn... I guess there's no way of me learning it then (I doubt sheet music even exists of it). Send me the piece and I'll give it a listen and see how complicated it would be to lift. Then I could perhaps work on it a few nights and send you a pdf of it but listen, you mustn't tell anyone. I don't wanna violate copyright etc. I didn't say that, Shhhhh. Just send me the song.........in a brown paper bag.......shhhhhhh...... |
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Dec 3, 2007 23:53:39 GMT -5
Well I found a program that can make MP3s into MIDIs, but the drawbacks are: Unless you cough up the $130 it will only do 15 seconds of the song, and it captures every little bit of background noise as part of the music. So I tried it out and it turned the original song... 24.62.253.62//audio/The%20Beatles/More%20Beatles%20River%20Rhine/15%20Pauls%20Piano%20Piece.mp3Into this media.putfile.com/15-Pauls-Piano-Piece  And my program gave me sheet music for the monstrosity.... (probably not even physically possible to play)  It seems it translated all the background chatter into notes or something... heheh. Anyways... I think the opening chord is... C# and then I don't even know. |
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Post by Doc on Dec 4, 2007 1:44:08 GMT -5
I love what unthinking, unknowing, yet highly complex software does with routine decisions.
Anyway, I have finished the lift, the steal, the theft, the illegal writing down of this short piece. How do I deliver a pdf to you?
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Post by Doc on Dec 4, 2007 1:53:10 GMT -5
Here it is. Enjoy. But remember---this is on the sly, on the Q.T., under the table, very very hush-hush. Don't tell. And if you do, I'll deny everything. I'll tell the Music Wing of Scotland Yard that someone stole my password and is impersonating me and my (giggles and guffaws) talents. Whew........  |
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Dec 4, 2007 1:54:42 GMT -5
Cool, thanks a lot Doc! ;D
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Post by That Latvian Guy on Dec 4, 2007 6:32:30 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Dec 4, 2007 11:36:19 GMT -5
Wrong note alert. At the downbeat of measure 13 in the left hand, I meant C# NOT D#.
I think I clicked and moved it by mistake; I never thought that was a D3.
Also, I could re-bar it and make it two measures in 4/4 of bar 12-13-14, but hey,
hindsight is always better than rhythmic dictation.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Dec 5, 2007 3:31:05 GMT -5
So Doc, in your opinion how "good" is Paul at the piano for not having any formal training? Is he better, technically, than Lennon?
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Post by Doc on Dec 6, 2007 0:06:34 GMT -5
So Doc, in your opinion how "good" is Paul at the piano for not having any formal training? Is he better, technically, than Lennon? Macca has a good groove at the keys; his time is steadier than I suspect what Lennon's was. Macca plays good rock and roll piano. I bet he has an interesting new age/improv style as well. He may do more but that isn't what his concerts are about, so we don't get to hear any be-bop lines or hip substiutionary changes, cause modern crowds just don't seem to want that.... I hear him exploring chromatically and in and out of modes in some songs that are keyboard based, it's like, it sounds like he doesn't want to be trapped into I-IV-V or other common cylces at the piano. Martha My Dear was fun like something that Bacharach or Harry Niellson might have done; English Tea sets you up for certain progressions and then he surprises you with where it goes----Jenny Wren is good that way, too, it isn't predictable and so it takes I think average pop listeners longer to "get it" because it's not formula. It's kind of unique in the pop idiom and, after two years, sounds really cool and haunting to me cause it is not cliched. I guess that all addresses composition as opposed to technique. Well, his technique on bass and guitar is developed and fluid, sounds like to me-----I guess maybe there is less of a place for florid, decorative playing in rock and roll. It'd be cool to hear MAcca "hand off" in a little friendly competetion at the piano with Billy Joel--I feel he would keep up,. no doubt! Ben Folds has a lot going for himself on the keys but I bet Paul could observe and emulate most or all of it. Dr. John, Leon Russell, Elton John for goodness sakes--all superior piano players and I believe Macca is up there with them but they do show off a lot more....... John's playing----he service the songs, but I think he saw piano as "fill" as opposed to "solo." John also found some cool changes and riffs. From watching videos and listening, Macca is the more fluid, the more comfortable of the two at the 3 legged beast. The glaring thing about it all is, Macca is a good pianist, but it seems possible that James Paul wasn't facile in the least on the keyboard.....just an impression I have........we once saw a remark in an old vintage mag that said, paraphrasing, something like, "I nevercould learn the piano though me dad made us take lessons and encouraged us (he and Mike)....also, there's not much piano before Revolver............G. Martin played in "All My Life", etc.... It's apparent from the Ecce Couer Requiem that Sir Paul's harmonic palette and creative manipulation of melody and counterpoint is FAR beyond what Lennon had, or is apparent at least--- Technically? Screw technique. Do whatever you have to do with the fingers you have to make the sound you want. If he wanted smoother scales there was always Czerny. But Czerny don't rock. |
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