JFK-It was the driver!!!

[il ras]

Did you ever hear that it was the limo driver, William Greer, to shot JFK?

I just discovered it..

[DarkHorse]

He was one of them.

[il ras]

yep, I mean the last one...

[luvleerita]

Never heard that one....doesn't fit with the Zapruder film though

[TotalInformation]

Zapruder film was altered

[beatlies]

There's been a lot of published research recently claiming the Zapruder film is fake, maybe a combination of some actual footage edited together with doctored frames and re-shoots. From what I've read they make seem to make a plausible, even convincing case for this. Try googling "Zapuder fake" or something like that to see more about this.

[il ras]

for sure there is something wrong; for example: the driver moves his head at an impossible speed so, in this case, some frames are missing...

[il ras]

luvleerita said:

Never heard that one....doesn't fit with the Zapruder film though

in the zapruder film it can be seen the following:

• the guy that was sitting at the right side of the driver turns back and sees JFK hit but not dead
  
• the driver, instead of driving at the speed of light away from there, turns back too.
  
• the driver takes something from his left with his left hand
  
• the driver turns his head back again and (that's my opinion) shoots
  
• suddenly (here some say that some frames of the film are missing) goes back to the wheel and drives away as nothing has just happened (note that he was, at least, looking at JFK when the president's head exploded, and remained impassive)
  

Another thing to notice is that gov.Connelly, even if he was seriously hit, turns his head to the driver at the moment of the last shot as he has just heard something...

[beatlies]

Jackie does seem in a hurry to get out of that moving car as fast as she can.

[il ras]

If there was someone shooting she could bend down but.. may be the biggest danger was INSIDE the car....

[DarkHorse]

beatlies said:

Jackie does seem in a hurry to get out of that moving car as fast as she can.

I think she was climbing on the back hood of the car to retrieve part of JFK's head.

[beatlies]

Some interesting alleged insider information on the Foswald double real name of "Leon Oswald," below, from the "Torbitt document" on the JFK assassination. It makes sense that they would use both outside snipers and a driver shooter, at the same time to prop up the official story and maximize the certainty of a quick killing. In any case the driver slowed down instead of speeded up the car as Kennedy began to be hit by the fusillade, at least according to the Zapruder film (however much of it is real).

Chapter VIII - Jean De Menil, Oswald, Gordon Novel and Their Activities and Associates.

Jean DeMenil, The Russian Czarist exile and President of Schlumberger, had used the company organization in 1960 and 1961 to smuggle the rifle grenades, land mines, missiles and other arms for Double-Chek to the forces invading Cuba.132

DeMenil had these arms boxed and transported by Schlumberger with the company name and false labeling on the huge number of containers. Gordon Novel, a Double-Chek agent, Guy Bannister, David Ferrie, Sergio Arcacha Smith and others worked closely with Schlumberger in transporting these arms and ammunition.133

Some of the others working for DeMenil on the arms smuggling were Layton Martens, a second generation Russian exile Solidarist agent, Alvin Beauboeuf, a Solidarist agent and William Dalzell, a New Orleans based geologist, Russian exile Solidarist and direct associate of Jean DeMenil.134

Jean DeMenil worked with the same group in New Orleans in planning the assassination using Dalzell as his liaison in New Orleans. However, Guy Bannister was in over-all command of the New Orleans phase of the operation since he was area man for Division Five of the FBI. DeMenil brought Sergio Arcacha Smith to Houston in March of 1963 to work with ex-President Carlos Prio Socarras, Robert Ray McKeown and the Free Cuba Committee there.135

In Dallas, DeMenil had Paul Raigorodsky, a multi-millionaire geologist and Russian exile Solidarist director who oversaw the assignments of George Alexandrovitch Bouhe, Dimitri Roystar and Peter Paul Gregory. These people, like DeMenil, were popularly called White Russians. There were exiled from Russia after the Communist revolution but many were East Europeans whose countries became Communist controlled some twenty-five years after Russia.136

This conglomerate kept tight control and contact through the intelligence and espionage arm, the Solidarists and the Orthodox Eastern Church.

Gregory and Bouhe picked Lee Harvey Oswald and his Russian wife up when they arrived in Fort Worth and Dallas, Texas, in June of 1962 from Minsk, the capital of White Russia. Bouhe furnished money and other necessities to the Oswalds until they moved from Dallas to New Orleans in April and May of 1963.137

George Bouhe met with Robert Ray McKeown and other participants in Baycliff, Texas, for several weeks after the assassination.138

Warren DeBrueys took over George Bouhe's assignment with Oswald when he arrived in New Orleans and continued as Oswald's contact until Nov. 22, 1963.

In the meantime, Guy Bannister, FBI Division Five's Southern Director, employed a long term employee of Double-Chek by the name of William Seymour from Phoenix, Arizona. Seymour was the same size and weight as Lee Harvey Oswald and, more important, by his resemblance to Oswald was as that of an identical twin.

Seymour was given the name Leon Oswald and false identification papers in such a name as well as the name Lee Harvey Oswald and others.139

David L. Lewis, a New Orleans private investigator, was employed by Guy Bannister in 1962 and 1963. In late 1962 or early 1963, Lewis first met Leon Oswald. Lewis was in Manchuso's Restaurant drinking coffee with Bannister's secretary when Carlos Quiroga, an anti-Castro Cuban, came into the restaurant and introduced a person resembling Lee Harvey Oswald as Leon Oswald to Lewis and Bannister's secretary. The secretary confirms this meeting and says that Leon, Carlos, Lewis and she all had coffee together.140

About a week later when Lewis was leaving Bannister's office on assignment, he saw Leon Oswald, alias William Seymour, a second time as he passed Quiroga, David Ferrie and Leon Oswald in the hall of Bannister's building. The three men were proceeding to Bannister's office.141

On a third occasion about ten days later, Lewis entered Bannister's office and there was a meeting taking place between Bannister, Quiroga, David Ferrie, Leon Oswald and Robert Ray McKeown of Baycliff, Texas. Lewis was not sure who the fourth person was but McKeown was identified by another source.142

At about the same time as the Leon Oswald appearances as related by Lewis, Sergio Arcacha Smith, leader of the anti-Castro Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front in New Orleans, was closely associated with David Ferrie; and Ferrie was in Arcacha's office, and they were seen together on numerous occasions in New Orleans. Arcacha admitted that David Ferrie often came to his office in New Orleans to offer his help in recruiting and training men and to use Ferrie's plane in the anti-Castro work. Arcacha returned to Houston with McKeown after the meetings and worked there withMcKeown until the assassination date.143

William Seymour, alias Leon Oswald, then proceeded to impersonate Lee Oswald at a number of places in New Orleans, Florida, Austin, Alice, Fort Worth and Dallas, Texas, right down to November 22, 1963. As per his assignment through Bannister from the cabal, Seymour made incriminating statements on behalf of Oswald which were to be used as evidence against Oswald after the murder. Seymour also went to Florida posing as Oswald and carried the Fair Play for Cuba part down there in the summer of 1963.144

Seymour, in his masquerade, bought ammunition in Fort Worth, made pro-Castro remarks in an Irving barber shop and other shops around Dallas and fired a rifle similar to the Italian one a large number of times and at a number of rifle ranges in the Dallas area over a month's period immediately before the cabal's murder occurred. Two weeks before the assassination, Seymour, alias Lee Harvey Oswald, alias Leon Oswald, told a car salesman he would soon come into a large sum of money.145

As Leon Oswald, Seymour in September, 1963, discussed the planned assassination of Kennedy in New Orleans with Clay Shaw, David Ferrie and two Mexican appearing men.146 Seymour was introduced to Mrs. Sylvia Odie by two Mexican appearing men in Dallas on September 25th as Leon Oswald. At this time, he was said to have made remarks which would incriminate Oswald in the murder two months away.147

But Seymour was not the only one impersonating and incriminating Oswald with statements and acts prior to the assassination. Gordon Novel's wife testified to Jim Garrison that Novel was the clean shaved person impersonating Oswald and fabricating evidence against him in advance of the murder. Novel was an absolute dead ringer for Lee Harvey Oswald and was in Dallas, Texas, as well as in Mexico and Fort Worth, in the six weeks prior to November 22nd, doing his part in the conspiracy.148

Oswald himself, Novel and Seymour, impersonating him, were following instructions from the cabal of professional anti-Communists which would blame the killing on pro-Communists and offset the detente Kennedy was reaching between the two political worlds.

On November 22nd, William Seymour fired a rifle from the sixth floor of the School Book Depository Building at President Kennedy striking him only once in the back. Two of his shots missed and the one that hit John Connally came from the building across Houston Street from the Depository Building.

Seymour left the building and was picked up by a Nash Rambler. The driver took Seymour to the vicinity of the Abundant Life Temple and let him out to walk the balance of about two blocks to the Temple, an affiliate of the A.C.C.C. which was provided as a safehouse for Seymour. He killed Police Officer J.D. Tippet and then proceeded to his safehouse, the Abundant Life Temple, about a block from the Tippet murder scene. There he remained until it was safe to leave town.149

Meanwhile, the Dallas Police were arresting a goodly number of Permindex agents at the assassination site. An important figure, James Powell of Army Intelligence on assignment through the DIA to the Defense Industrial Security Command of Columbus, Ohio and Muscle Shoals, Alabama, was trapped and arrested in the School Book Depository Building shortly after 12:30 pm. He was later released along with the others by Captain Will Fritz in charge of Homicide for the Dallas Police Department.150

Immediately across Houston Street, Jim Braden of Los Angeles was arrested in the Dal-Tex Building. Braden was also an agent of the Defense Industrial Security Command of Redstone, Muscle Shoals, and Columbus.

The chain of evidence connecting Albert Osborne, Fred Lee Crismon, alias John M. Bowen, Permindex, and his co-workers became iron clad when a Black Star photographer snapped a picture a few minutes after the assassination of Crismon, alias Bowen, and two of his charges in the process of being arrested by two young Dallas police officers at Dealey Plaza. Fritz later released all three. The Crismon, alias Bowen, arrest picture received limited public distribution in 1969 when it was published in the Midlothian Mirror by Penn Jones, the Texas editor.

Co-Director of the Mexico based assassins, John H. Bowen, alias Fred Lee Crismon, alias Free Lee, alias Jon Gould, alias Jon Gold, and Thomas Beckam, front, and another assassin in the process of being arrested at Dealey Plaza immediately after the assassination.

One of Crismon's Mexican professionals, Manuel Gonzales, firing from the fence to Kennedy's right side struck the President in the right temple killing him instantly. Gonzales and his aides returned to Fort Worth after the assassination where they remained at Tammie True's until Saturday, November 23, when they met Joe Cody, a Dallas detective who flew them to Houston.151