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Post by MikeNL on Jan 6, 2008 16:05:20 GMT -5
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Post by B on Jan 6, 2008 17:49:37 GMT -5
Excellent comments by Mr. K.
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Post by JoJo on Jan 6, 2008 21:44:43 GMT -5
"We will tell you who to vote for" *
*ABCNBCCBSFOX
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 7, 2008 0:27:15 GMT -5
Gravel and Paul too!
This is sickening.
Gravel's
Paul's
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Post by fireman on Jan 7, 2008 0:30:03 GMT -5
Gravel and Paul too! This is sickening. Gravel's Paul's It is sickening. And quite depressing. |
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Post by MikeNL on Jan 7, 2008 14:53:13 GMT -5
Gravel and Paul too! This is sickening. Gravel's Paul's It is sickening. And quite depressing. yeah, fucking ABC |
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Post by JoJo on Jan 7, 2008 17:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by B on Jan 7, 2008 21:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by B on Jan 8, 2008 14:45:54 GMT -5
Bev Harris ( blackboxvoting.org) was on the Alex Jones show today. She was saying (or maybe
it was Alex) that there's one guy whose company runs the voting machines in New Hampshire,
Vermont, and Connecticut, and that he is "trusted" to be an honest broker.
But he may not be, so the election results in those states may or may not be truthful.
Ain't it just grande?
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Post by iburiedpaul on Jan 8, 2008 15:02:58 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Jan 8, 2008 15:32:49 GMT -5
The machines use optical scan, you "fill in the dot" just like the multiple choice exams in high school. The paper ballots are in turn saved, as all voting that uses a machine in NH must have a paper backup by law. (many states don't require this of course)
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Post by fireman on Jan 8, 2008 16:12:39 GMT -5
The machines use optical scan, you "fill in the dot" just like the multiple choice exams in high school. The paper ballots are in turn saved, as all voting that uses a machine in NH must have a paper backup by law. (many states don't require this of course) In WI we use a form similar to "fill in the dot" tests. After completion the ballots are scanned into a counting machine (physical copies retained). So basically we're still relying on a computer... ... Really, is any method trustworthy? Even hand counting is easily tampered with (Hell, while running for the Texas Senate, LBJ had ballot boxes thrown into the Rio Grande!)... ... Although unrelated to ballet tampering/sabotage, to me this brings up a larger question of the entire voting system. Our current system can be seen as a simple reason for why we are now a two party country (I know many of our NWOer's will disagree  ). Could a different voting system change this? I have no idea. But I have always been a fan of this system: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_votingA few US cities have actually implemented IRV... ... Is IRV perfect? No. Is IRV fair? I don't know... ... One thing I do know, IRV is much better than our current system! ... (I do apologize for the massive thread drift) |
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Post by B on Jan 8, 2008 19:04:26 GMT -5
From cited video: "This is Bill Cooper Exposing the Fear Mongering Alex Jones did about Y2K in 1999.
Interesting enough, Cooper was shot and killed about a year after this broadcast.
A coincidence? His death was labeled as suspicious. Maybe Alex Jones should be investigated."A. Bill Cooper calling Alex Jones a fear monger is the pot calling the kettle black. B. I'd rather be informed by someone who is a little paranoid, like Cooper or Jones, than a transparent demon like Rush any day. C. The poster of this video is suggesting that Alex Jones had Bill Cooper killed? What kind of "tin foil hat" thinking is that? Evidence? Or just slander? Absurd on the surface of it, imo. D. I met Bill Cooper once, and attended one of his lectures. I was in the front row. At the time, the things he was saying sounded so outrageous (they don't now) that I was having a hard time believing them, even if they might be true. No doubt he was a sincere individual, but if I had to choose who was the 'nuttier' between the two (Jones or Cooper), Cooper would win hands down. I don't say that with any kind of pleasure. Knowing what he knew, and the strain of it, obviously had worn him to the point that he bore a fear that you could cut with a knife. He looked like the pale horse he is known for. I think it may have brought him to the point of near insanity. I had the sense that he had reached the point that he could not wake up in the morning and enjoy the day ahead of him. I felt a great sorrow for him. I suspect he may have been slowly loosing it. When I saw him it was less than 2 years before he was killed. In a sick way, my feeling, when I heard of his death, was that at least he had been put out of his misery. Neither Cooper nor Jones deserve to be tarred and feathered, in my opinion. We would be all the more the "sheeple" (a Cooper term), but for their efforts. Both had/have their shortcomings, but let's not look a gift horse (pale or otherwise) in the mouth. Pitting one versus the other is a waste of time. |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Jan 8, 2008 20:03:23 GMT -5
You make some great points. Obviously, you know these guys a lot better than I do. Actually, I saw an entire Bill Cooper video "exposing" Alex Jones so I don't think they should be classified together. But you are right Cooper is a fear monger I just think it comes from a different place in his heart (what the fuck do i know, though?). I do relate a lot more to Cooper I have to say, and with due respect to your above points, I walk away not trusting Alex Jones at all. But then again after seeing the IAAP video with Kucinich and Yoko I am not too sure who's side Kucinich is on. Also, Cooper was killed in a weird way.
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Post by B on Jan 8, 2008 20:45:13 GMT -5
Here's Keith Olbermann's take on the Hannity at WMUR footage that JoJo posted. (At 2:20 mins. in.) Also an amusing analysis of Bill O'Reilly incident. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLL_xQaLmT4 |
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Post by fireman on Jan 9, 2008 0:43:19 GMT -5
You make some great points. Obviously, you know these guys a lot better than I do. Actually, I saw an entire Bill Cooper video "exposing" Alex Jones so I don't think they should be classified together. But you are right Cooper is a fear monger I just think it comes from a different place in his heart (what the fuck do i know, though?). I do relate a lot more to Cooper I have to say, and with due respect to your above points, I walk away not trusting Alex Jones at all. But then again after seeing the IAAP video with Kucinich and Yoko I am not too sure who's side Kucinich is on. Also, Cooper was killed in a weird way. They're all "killed in a weird way." ... LB, I feel a similar sense of sorrow. He was definitely loosing it. More than being put out of his misery, too me his death was sadly self-fulfilling. ... Quick reminiscence, I remember reading BAPH many years ago (1993, I was 13...fuck!). Although it now lacks ("pales?") in comparison to many other NWO publications, parts of it really opened my eyes - mainly about FEMA and, especially in post-911 world, his writing of the "desensitization" process. |
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Post by B on Jan 9, 2008 16:52:35 GMT -5
VOTE FRAUD AGAINprisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_district_admits.htmNew Hampshire District Admits Ron Paul Votes Not Counted Sutton township reported Congressman had zero votes, actual number was 31 Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Wednesday, January 9, 2008 The head clerk of the New Hampshire town of Sutton has been forced to admit that Ron Paul received 31 votes yet when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. The fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count. As we reported earlier today, an entire family voted for Ron Paul in Sutton, yet when the voting map on the Politico website was posted, the total votes for Ron Paul were zero. Vote fraud expert Bev Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was forced to admit that the 31 votes Ron Paul received were completely omitted from the final report sheet, claiming "human error" was responsible for the mistake. Two or three votes not counted could be a plausible mistake - but 31 votes for one candidate? "The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form," Harris told the Alex Jones Show. "They are counting everything in public real nice, they fill out a form in public real nice and then they transfer it to another form and they call that a summary sheet and then that is the one they send in," explained Harris. "What happened is she said they did not transfer the number correctly and put zero instead of 31 - that is unacceptable as an answer." With 100% of precincts now reporting, the map originally listed zero votes for Ron Paul as you can see below. It has now been updated to reflect the 31 votes Paul actually received. prisonplanet.com/images/january2008/090108screen.jpgThe remainder of the 31 people in Sutton who voted for Ron Paul need to go public immediately with the charge of vote fraud and make it known that they were cheated out of their right to vote. Harris estimates that it could cost the Ron Paul campaign as much as $67,000 dollars for a recount, but such a move could throw the entire primary into doubt, especially in light of the fact that Barack Obama appears to have been cheated out of a win by Hillary Clinton. -------------------------------- rense.com/general79/cct.htmRon Paul - Vote Fraud Victim By J. Bruce Campbell 1-9-8 The numbers don't add up, obviously. Ron Paul wins straw poll after straw poll, he wins hack-proof online polls such as AOL's and he gets unprecedented donations and still he gets wiped out by the Diebold machines, which was expected. Blackboxvoting.org has shown us how it is done. The exact same Diebold machines that were exposed in "Hacking Democracy" two years ago were used in New Hampshire yesterday to manage 81% of the primary ballots. Then we learned that the 2004 Iowa Caucus voting was handled by an Israeli-owned company, Elron. Were things different this year? Who is behind John Silvestro and his LHS company that counted the New Hampshire vote? We should stop hoping that we can beat the house and its rigged roulette wheel, its programmed slot machines and its marked decks and loaded dice. The Ron Paul campaign was given millions of dollars to clean out the corruption in the federal government. This will be impossible if vote fraud prevents Ron Paul from winning, despite his wild and growing popularity. Vote fraud is at the center of official corruption and will always prevent investigation and prosecution of those involved in criminal behavior. The campaign should now shift gears and announce that vote fraud has clearly destroyed the American political process, as proven by the Collier brothers, by Jim Condit, Bev Harris, Harri Hursti and the Public Broadcasting System and by many others. Vote fraud must now be the target of the Ron Paul Revolution. Ron Paul can make a calm announcement that calls for an audit of the vote-counting machine from one end to the other. The audit can be made by the Ron Paul campaign, which can now afford to do it. He should recommend that the General Accounting Office and Federal Election Commission assist the campaign's audit. He can invite the GOP and Democratic Party to participate. If they refuse for any reason, their refusal will prove that they know about the vote fraud and are willing participants. Ron Paul should announce that fair elections cannot be held until it is proven that the vote counting process is honest and trustworthy. The best weapon his campaign has in the 2006 PBS program, "Hacking Democracy." Bev Harris' ongoing work at Blackboxvoting.org can be revealed to millions of Americans now, with the millions of dollars entrusted to the Ron Paul Revolution. The two Ohio election officials recently sentenced to prison for the 2004 vote fraud were exposed by Blackboxvoting's great work, which can be seen in the PBS program. Ron Paul should file suit to order a suspension of the primary process until a comprehensive audit of the vote counting process has been completed and all doubts as to its honesty are removed. Computers must be outlawed in the vote-counting process. The only way to ensure honest elections is with paper ballots and receipts, as the Collier brothers proved in their groundbreaking book, Votescam. They showed that there are dozens of ways to steal the vote as long as machines are used to count it. The question we must all ask is, "Who programs the computers that count the votes?" Ron Paul should demand that paper ballots be counted by hand in the open and measured against paper receipts in the event of a disputed result. But first, there must be an audit of the process we have been under for decades, to show how we have been cheated and defrauded.
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Post by B on Jan 10, 2008 10:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by B on Jan 11, 2008 15:19:29 GMT -5
the Zetas chime in: ZetaTalk: Hillary = Bush Litewritten January 10, 2008 zetatalk.com/index/zeta427.htm" ............................Clinton.............................. Obama Hand Count............ 34.818%.......................... 38.706% Machine Count....... 39.755%........................... 36.398% No Method Stated.. 45.266%........................... 30.611% Was New Hampshire compromised? Election statistics point out that where hand counting was done, the lead expected by Obama held. Where counted by Diebold, Hillary unaccountably won. The polls going into the caucus had Obama ahead by at least 10 points, and exit polls substantiated this. This was the margin counted in those districts which hand counted results. Clearly, something is suspect. Indeed, there was enough warning ahead of time that Hillary was going to lose, and lose big. This would propel her descent into oblivion, from her current position where she was already teetering on the brink. It is not by accident that the same voter fraud techniques used to assure Bush the Presidency in 2000 and 2004 were used to assure Hillary a win in the New Hampshire primary. She has been accused by Obama of being "Bush Lite", in that she is cooperative with the lobbyists, and voted to give Bush the powers he wanted in both Iraq and now Iran. The Clintons have thrown in with the Bush family, agreeing to support each other, which should come as no surprise if one has watched the news - George Herbert Bush and Bill Clinton, together in Indonesia after the devastating quake in Christmas, 2004. So much camaraderie after so many years as opponents. Will the Democratic primary then be fixed? Not hardly. The Puppet Master, who desires the Bush/Cheney administration to be politically decapitated, is hardly interested in a replacement crew. He wanted Kerry to win, and Bush stole the election, so retaliated by ensuring that the 2006 election was in accordance with the wish of the people. He wants the US out of the Middle East, so the oil fields can be protected by whomever emerges as the dominant power there. He wants Bush contained, and does not want a proxy setup as a puppet of Bush. He will now intervene, we predict, in the manner he did in 2006, to ensure valid elections. Obama appears to him as someone with whom he can negotiate, someone with whom he can find common interests such as preserving the economy and sustaining industrial capacity. His monitors knew voter fraud was a possibility, per our warnings, but did not act in time. They won't be taken by surprise a second time, we predict. "---------------------------Note: Dennis Kucinich has initiated a vote re-count for the Democratic vote in NH. ( dennis4president.com/ ) A Republican candidate named Albert Howard (.org) has initiated one for the Republicans. ( grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount- ) to help; NH volunteers needed for recount. |
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