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Post by pataphysical on Oct 18, 2005 14:10:46 GMT -5
It's definitely not 1968; John's hair is too long. Looks like John is starting to grow the beard that would signify his "Give Peace a Chance" period. George hasn't grown his Abbey Road beard either. "Paul" shaved his beard off right after the Get Back sessions, which ended in January 1969. The picture could very well be taken Feb 22 1969.
What makes you think it might be the real Paul?
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Post by pataphysical on Oct 18, 2005 14:30:42 GMT -5
The thing is Faul started letting his beard grow by November 1968. Two months later, he appeared full bearded at Twickenham. The way his beard is it takes about around 40 days at least to grow. Heather is reported to be at Apple on the 26th. Paul is still bearded. The rooftop gig happened on the 30th. Beard and hair still long. All seems like the picture was taking during the GB sessions, so, where is Faul beard? These Get Back dates you mention are all in January, the picture looks to me like its from Feb-March 1969. Heather probably visited again at a later date. And if the date is correct in "Chronicle", in this picture they are recording "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" which was the first song they did after the Get Back Sessions. |
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Post by JoJo on Oct 18, 2005 15:40:09 GMT -5
I have the book "Beatles Recording Sessions", and it also does mention recording "I Want You" on Feb 22. It only mentions John and Bill working together, doesn't mention any of the others being there, this could just be taken for granted, I don't know.
Next recording session: John and Bill (only) get together on April 14 to record "The Ballad of J&Y".
Two days later, all are together for "Old Brown Shoe", and in the weeks that follow they start up with the Abbey Road stuff.
I can't tell you when the beard came off, it was definitely in evidence for the entire LIB sessions, both at Twickingham and Apple. No photos in this book of anything between the rooftop concert and a pic taken in July.
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Post by Doc on Oct 18, 2005 20:56:45 GMT -5
(better know as the Mistery Session) beatlesource.com/bs/scans/pix/mystery%20pix/mystery.html pic source, Mojo December 2003 magazine featuring the Beatles Let it Be...Naked article, on page 86 we have a quarter page colour picture of the Fabs along Yoko and Heather.Looks like a Get Back session, but the last known image of Paul McCartney impersonator, is fully bearded. On this picture, he's already shaved. No beard at all. Faul started letting his beard grow by November 1968. Two months later, he appeared full bearded at Twickenham. The way his beard is it takes about around 40 days at least to grow. Heather is reported to be at Apple on the 26th. Paul is still bearded. The rooftop gig happened on the 30th. Beard and hair still long, and the 4 Beatles never got back to play together after the Get Back project. The hair styles (head, beard, moustache) did not match later 1969 photos (Paul is clean shaven, George has a moustache, John is growing about a week's worth beard and Ringo has a moustache), at first look i'm suppose it's possible that the photos were taken late 1968 but I believe the hair factor debunks that theory. Lewisohn (The Autor of the PIA Bible) used this photo in "Chronicle" under the heading 'Saturday 22 February' February 7-15 - George hospitalized and the Apple "re-build".
February 15-22 - Back to rehearsing and/or recording and testing Apple's equipment.
February 22-23 - Recording "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" at Trident.Is maybe the real James Paul McCartney? Wondering that myself-----which makes for many brand new conclusions. |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 26, 2005 21:20:38 GMT -5
I disagree, It's Bill, because the little girl on the floor is Linda's daughter Heather.....or is she a midget groupie? One never can tell with Bill.
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Post by lili on Dec 27, 2005 10:13:42 GMT -5
His face is too long & his eyes are too close together. It's Bill alright. Who knows when they did half the things that they did ?
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 27, 2005 22:04:11 GMT -5
I can see how the hairstyle is reminiscent of JPM, but it doesn't fit the time frame if JPM had died in 1966, the looks of the other Beatles shows it's much later.
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Post by jerriwillmore on Dec 29, 2005 17:18:12 GMT -5
What happened to the beard?  |
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Post by beatlies on Dec 29, 2005 19:23:07 GMT -5
What happened to the beard? Good question --maybe it was fake! |
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Post by lili on Dec 29, 2005 21:34:39 GMT -5
That's a good possibility.
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Post by -Wings- on Dec 29, 2005 23:09:51 GMT -5
Well, we know he was replaced, but it doesn't neccesarily mean he died.
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Post by lili on Dec 30, 2005 10:11:15 GMT -5
With the things that have happened surrounding Paul's disappearance & replacement, I find it hard to believe that he could still be alive. Why would TPTB have to shut people up about it, if he was still alive ? Push comes to shove, they would've just had to concede that he left the group for very personal reasons & went into seclusion. That would've taken all the heat off of the music industry. Why have they never done that ? Why would they still perpetuate this farce, if they didn't have something very dark & dirty in their closet ?  ! |
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Post by -Wings- on Dec 30, 2005 13:22:30 GMT -5
They would want to hide the mere fact that they ARE capable of replacing someone in the public eye, not neccessarily hide the fate of the real Paul.
I'm not arguing that he's not dead or not alive, but as of late I've really felt that it could swing both ways.
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Post by DarkHorse on Dec 30, 2005 13:31:35 GMT -5
With the way the Beatles acted and especially John, I would say something traumatic happened to them in the fall of 1966. That's why I lean towards death. But there's a possibility that something else happened to JPM.
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Dec 30, 2005 15:36:08 GMT -5
John seemed to age 15 years in just a few months. That picture was Bill with Heather. Since he changes nose tips and ears, he probably changed beard styles.
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Post by lili on Dec 30, 2005 15:39:32 GMT -5
Darkhorse, that's a very good point. Check these out:    John looks like he lost his best friend in the world.  At the end of his life, George was a man with alot on his mind. |
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Post by plastic paul on Dec 30, 2005 20:42:15 GMT -5
I totally agree with you're point and where you are coming from, but i could post a few pics of John "happy as larry" and i wouldn't expect you to believe that it would act as proof that JPM is still living!
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 30, 2005 21:55:17 GMT -5
That first studio pic in question is distorted. John's face looks longer and George looks strange. Could this picture be flipped? It just seems like it's a mirror of what is actually how they looked at that period. Could this be symbolic? A mirror image of the life of the Fab Four?
Something like Alice through the Looking Glass.
IN this case, the Beatles through the Looking Glass Onion....
A point I would like to bring up, that is often equated with rock stars when they are out of the spotlight for a period of time and then come back looking different, usually older looking and a bit different. Drugs are usually the blame as to why rock stars look older. While living in the fast lane, drug abuse and poor eating and sleep habits can cause one to look worse, it usually doesn't age one in that short time, like late August 1966, with their last concert in San Francisco and early 1967 with the Sgt. Pepper album. Trauma causes one to look that much older in a short period of time, not drug use.
George and John really look older, as for Ringo, he doesn't look much different. He doesn't seem as affected, which has me to believe he was part of the plan. That's my opinion. John was killed and George was attacked, almost killed. Ringo had no attempt on his life. Ringo didn't have anything PID related in his material, what little there is of his, compared to George and John.
Ringo was in a more popular band in LIverpool than the Beatles when they got rid of Pete Best, the more popular Beatle at that time, to have Ringo replace Pete.
Plus, I've heard somewhere the symbolism for Ringo's name had dark meanings. Whether that is really true or not, I don't know. But I don't have good vibes from Ringo's part in the band.
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 1, 2006 9:15:29 GMT -5
I suggest that by the time Ringo joined the Beatles, Rory Storm and the Hurricanes were no longer as popular as they were, did they have recording contracts? Or were they still just popping down to holiday camps in Wales every summer?
Seems as though Ringo made a great career move.
I also reckon that Ringo (when not smiling) had a sad, sober face anyway and he looked older than the others already IMO.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 1, 2006 20:44:56 GMT -5
Good point, but Ringo was featured star in the Beatles' movies. Think about it, AHDN, Help and even MMT Ringo was featured as a star in them, and the rest were around the plot involving Ringo. Why was that? Hmmm.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 2, 2006 4:47:58 GMT -5
Ringo was always the biggest actor of the Fab Four; I would venture to say in more ways than one. He has definitely had the most formal filmic acting experience of those four.
Ringo was perhaps the closest to FAUL as he had been the "new guy" before FAUL was and shared that with him.
The soul of The Beatles died w/ Harrison, really.
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Post by -Wings- on Jan 2, 2006 5:53:00 GMT -5
Just because Ringo didn't express his anguish over Paul doesn't mean he didn't drop hints on his own. What was his first written song in the Beatles? Don't Pass Me By.   For John and George, whatever happened with Paul in September 1966 coincided when they were both on the verge of reaching new creative highs, so they found unique ways to drop clues and express their sadness. Ringo no doubt felt the same pain, but he wasn't at their songwriting level. |
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Post by lili on Jan 3, 2006 10:39:46 GMT -5
That might be true. I doubt you'll be able to find many from 1967. Unless, of course, John looks high as a kite in them ! What makes this picture so poignant, is the entire context of it. You have Bill singing & strumming in the background. It looks to me like George Martin is thinking, " How the HELL are we going to pull this off !" John looks so depressed, so despondant. In my opinion, this photo shows exactly how Paul's death effected those men ! Check out John's feet. He's wearing two different shoes that day ! |
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Post by lili on Jan 3, 2006 11:34:04 GMT -5
I found another photo from that day:  One of those photos must be mirror printed. The white shoe seems to be on the left foot in the photo of John sitting on a stool. The second photo of him sitting in a chair, the white shoe appears to be on his right foot ! It seems that Mr. Bill and John butted heads during the Let it Be recording sessions:  |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 3, 2006 13:47:25 GMT -5
I have to wonder if the so called Ringo songs were actually written by him or some ghost writer?
The body language of the other members with Bill is amazing.
Knowing the PID theories gives light on why they were so distant from Bill.
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