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Post by pennylane on Feb 23, 2006 7:38:25 GMT -5
Mystery solved in Beatles spat with guru Daily Telegraph Published: Sunday, February 19, 2006
The spat between the Beatles and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1968 became an instant pop legend as perhaps the most bitter bust-up in the era of Free Love.
Now, after almost four decades of rumour and counter-rumour, a confidant of both sides has gone public with revelations that could upset many of the band's fans.
The spiritualist and author Deepak Chopra, a former maharishi disciple and a friend of the late George Harrison, has said that contrary to popular myth, the row was nothing to do with claims that the maharishi made sexual advances on Mia Farrow, the actress and friend of the band.
Instead, he said, the maharishi, known as the founder of transcendental meditation, had objected to the group taking drugs at his home in Rishikesh, northern India.
Chopra told the Telegraph: "What isn't generally known is that the maharishi had got fed up with the Beatles taking drugs while they were at his ashram (spiritual home). They were smoking ganja (cannabis) and taking LSD. He hadn't come across anything like that before and he took a strong view."
The group had gone to the ashram in search of spiritual enlightenment, meditating during the day and writing songs in the evening.
According to reports, they consumed no alcohol or drugs when they first arrived and kept to a strict vegetarian diet.
A few weeks into their much-publicized sojourn, however, relations soured between the guru and the band's entourage.
In a subsequent television interview, John Lennon and Paul McCartney said they had lost interest in the maharishi's teachings.
Chopra said of the rumour that the guru had misbehaved with Farrow, who was part of the entourage: "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's womanizing. When he was sick in the UK, he wouldn't even allow any female nurses near him.
"As for the stuff about Mia Farrow, that was complete nonsense. I met her years later and she asked me to tell the maharishi that she still loved him," he said.
Chopra said Harrison later apologized to the maharishi during a visit to his meditation centre at Vlodrop in Holland, where he now lives as a recluse.
Nobody at the centre was available for comment. © The Edmonton Journal 2006
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Post by lili on Feb 23, 2006 10:14:42 GMT -5
How interesting. Thank you for sharing that with us, Penny.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Feb 24, 2006 17:32:09 GMT -5
what a strange situation. I wonder what possessed Deepak to spill the beans about that subject now? What does he benefit talking about that matter now? Or is he just trying to give the Maharishi a clean image?
After all these years we hear this story? I just wonder how much of this is truth, or just more spin?
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Post by DarkHorse on Feb 24, 2006 20:34:31 GMT -5
PL, another great find. I think Deepak is telling the truth here.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 24, 2006 21:11:42 GMT -5
Mystery solved in Beatles spat with guru Daily Telegraph Published: Sunday, February 19, 2006
The spat between the Beatles and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1968 became an instant pop legend as perhaps the most bitter bust-up in the era of Free Love.
Now, after almost four decades of rumour and counter-rumour, a confidant of both sides has gone public with revelations that could upset many of the band's fans.
The spiritualist and author Deepak Chopra, a former maharishi disciple and a friend of the late George Harrison, has said that contrary to popular myth, the row was nothing to do with claims that the maharishi made sexual advances on Mia Farrow, the actress and friend of the band.
Instead, he said, the maharishi, known as the founder of transcendental meditation, had objected to the group taking drugs at his home in Rishikesh, northern India.
Chopra told the Telegraph: "What isn't generally known is that the maharishi had got fed up with the Beatles taking drugs while they were at his ashram (spiritual home). They were smoking ganja (cannabis) and taking LSD. He hadn't come across anything like that before and he took a strong view."
The group had gone to the ashram in search of spiritual enlightenment, meditating during the day and writing songs in the evening.
According to reports, they consumed no alcohol or drugs when they first arrived and kept to a strict vegetarian diet.
A few weeks into their much-publicized sojourn, however, relations soured between the guru and the band's entourage.
In a subsequent television interview, John Lennon and Paul McCartney said they had lost interest in the maharishi's teachings.
Chopra said of the rumour that the guru had misbehaved with Farrow, who was part of the entourage: "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's womanizing. When he was sick in the UK, he wouldn't even allow any female nurses near him.
"As for the stuff about Mia Farrow, that was complete nonsense. I met her years later and she asked me to tell the maharishi that she still loved him," he said.
Chopra said Harrison later apologized to the maharishi during a visit to his meditation centre at Vlodrop in Holland, where he now lives as a recluse.
Nobody at the centre was available for comment. © The Edmonton Journal 2006 I find this fascinating. Have any of the Beatles ever gone on record admitting they used drugs at the time? Did anybody else who was there ever speak or write about it? Jane? Anyone? What has Macca had to say in response about this, if anything? Just curious...
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Post by revolver on Feb 24, 2006 22:28:46 GMT -5
What I read was the Beatles gave up LSD before going to India. Don't know about pot though.
I'm more inclined to believe John's account of it vs. the Maharishi or Chopra. I think it would take more than a spat about drug use to disillusion Lennon.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 24, 2006 22:41:47 GMT -5
What I read was the Beatles gave up LSD before going to India. Don't know about pot though. I'm more inclined to believe John's account of it vs. the Maharishi or Chopra. I think it would take more than a spat about drug use to disillusion Lennon. Is it just me, or does the "legend" that the Beatles ALL totally gave up drugs at once with no hesitation at all sound.. too good to be true, Revolver?
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Post by noodles on Feb 25, 2006 5:47:21 GMT -5
I like Deepak Chopra. I don't know enough about him to hazard a guess as to whether he's telling the truth but he seems like a good guy. I have his 'Book Of Secrets' sat by my bed waiting to be read and if I can crowbar a few more hours in the day I may even get to read it soon. I have a couple of lectures he gave too which are very enlightening. I does seem odd that he would have chosen to speak up now when these 'rumours' have persisted for so long. And why didn't Mia Farrow speak up about this? I suspect there's a lot more to this which will hopefully emerge in the coming months and years.
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Post by revolver on Feb 25, 2006 18:24:20 GMT -5
What I read was the Beatles gave up LSD before going to India. Don't know about pot though. I'm more inclined to believe John's account of it vs. the Maharishi or Chopra. I think it would take more than a spat about drug use to disillusion Lennon. Is it just me, or does the "legend" that the Beatles ALL totally gave up drugs at once with no hesitation at all sound.. too good to be true, Revolver? Well, just compare the white album to Magical Mystery Tour. At the very least they got off the LSD between those recordings.
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Post by beatlies on Feb 25, 2006 18:46:34 GMT -5
There's a photo of the white album recordings in the book "The Love You Make" by Beatles assistant Peter Brown showing John Lennon lying on the floor with a microphone, with the caption, "John Lennon recording "Revolution" so stoned on LSD he can't get up off the floor."
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Post by revolver on Feb 25, 2006 21:06:31 GMT -5
There's a photo of the white album recordings in the book "The Love You Make" by Beatles assistant Peter Brown showing John Lennon lying on the floor with a microphone, with the caption, "John Lennon recording "Revolution" so stoned on LSD he can't get up off the floor." Lennon had a different explanation of that photo. He said he was trying to create a different sound to his voice for the recording by singing on his back. He also said that they never took LSD while in the recording studio, except that one time during Sgt. Pepper when he took it by mistake.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Feb 25, 2006 23:09:18 GMT -5
We know BIll was arrested in Japan with pot possession.
I don't think the Maharishi was upset they did drugs, but that they didn't share it with him.... Look at the sweaty little man, he was on drugs himself, or some very potent tea....
I don't trust this man....
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Post by lili on Feb 26, 2006 9:45:04 GMT -5
I'm with Rita on this one. I think the Maharishi is a skeeve
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Post by noodles on Feb 26, 2006 12:40:33 GMT -5
Why don't you trust him? I wonder if The Beatles and the Farrow's were sent there to discredit him.
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Post by lili on Feb 27, 2006 11:16:07 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the movie, " All of me " ? In it, Lily Tomlin plays a fairly young wealthy woman who is dying. She takes up with a Swami who assures her that he can place her soul into another person's body upon her death. All they need is a subject willing to give her body over to the wealthy woman. They settle on the daughter of her stableman. This young woman has a police record & not much of a future. The young woman goes along with it, because she thinks that the wealthy woman is off her rocker. In her mind, if she wants to give me all of her money & everything that she owns when she dies, who am I to stop her Of course it turns out that the Swami is for real, & when push comes to shove, the young woman doesn't allow the wealthy woman to gain access to her body. Instead, the wealthy woman winds up in the body of one of the lawyers there at her deathbed. This lawyer was played by Steve Martin, with often hilarious results. What I'm trying to get at here is what if the plot of that movie is based on fact ? What if there is an Eastern Religion that claims that the human soul can be placed into another body upon death ? What if George found out about this, & asked the Maharishi if he could do it with Paul's soul ? That would explain them being all hot to be there, and then cooling off considerably when they didn't get what they wanted. I could see Bill going along with it until the time actually came & he got cold feet. After all, who is going to willingly give their body over to another person unless their either a) ready to give up on this world & REALLY want to move on without committing suicide or b) are nuts !!! I don't think that Bill is nuts & he sure seemed to be enjoying his life. If he went along with it, it was for the same reason that the girl did in the movie. He figured that it was all bull, & he stood to lose nothing going along with it. As far as this actually being possible, that doesn't matter. The thing is that George & John thought it was possible. What if if was possible & Paul did try to enter Bill's body ? All Bill would've had to do was deny him admittance & then act like it didn't work! That would've caused the Maharishi to lose considerable face with the others.
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Post by revolver on Feb 27, 2006 22:41:17 GMT -5
A spookier take on that concept is in the recent movie The Skeleton Key. I won't give away the plot, but it involves some unlikely hoodoo practices down in New Orleans.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Feb 28, 2006 18:53:09 GMT -5
THe maharishi is busy building Vedic Cities around the US. Check the Thread, "See What the Maharishi is Doing These Days"....
I say a conman in guru's robes. Suck the money out of people thinking they can live longer, by living in another body. Maybe that is the reason that cloning is something many cults are involved in, like Clonaid, Raelians...they want to live longer and create another body to inhabit.
Can we say ripoff?
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Post by noodles on Mar 1, 2006 15:12:53 GMT -5
THe maharishi is busy building Vedic Cities around the US. Check the Thread, "See What the Maharishi is Doing These Days".... I say a conman in guru's robes. Suck the money out of people thinking they can live longer, by living in another body. Maybe that is the reason that cloning is something many cults are involved in, like Clonaid, Raelians...they want to live longer and create another body to inhabit. Can we say ripoff? You can't write off the Maharishi for 'conning people into thinking they can live in another body' just because lili suggested that in this thread. Where's the 'What the Maharishi is Doing These Days' thread? The search engine isn't turning up anything.
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Post by lili on Mar 2, 2006 9:00:20 GMT -5
Noodles to be fair, alot of people feel that he's a conman. Me, I never really gave it much thought. All I cared about was that George had faith in him. Did George ever admit that his faith in the Maharishi was misplaced ? I haven't read much about their time spent with the Maharishi.
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Post by noodles on Mar 2, 2006 11:34:51 GMT -5
It took me all of about 2 seconds to find the phrase 'New World Order' on the Vedic City website. I'm guessing they an illuminati mind control cult but that doesn't mean the Maharishi was part of that in 1968. I personally wouldn't trust the word of Mia or Prudence Farrow as I suspect they're both Project Monarch mind controlled slaves. I also know The Beatles and their team have lied to me all my life so I wouldn't trust them. Maybe he was a great spiritual teacher at that time but was taken out and maybe The Beatles and the Farrows were part of that. It's yet another topic that needs a lot more research. Oh for only more hours in a day. Or at least the illusion of time to end. ;D
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Post by lili on Mar 3, 2006 10:00:27 GMT -5
It's so funny that you said that, Noodles. Everyday I lament the fact that my day goes by way too fast ! ;D So, you're saying that the Farrows are mind controlled slaves ? I know that it has been hypostulated on 60IF/TKIN that Mia was replaced. I've looked at photos that they offered as evidence. I know that at that time, I felt that it was a very real possibility. You feel that the Beatles were in on it ? I can see them getting involved with something that they didn't understand. Once those boys were introduced to the heavy duty drugs ( such as LSD ) I'm sure that they became alot easier to manipulate. What I cannot believe is that John or George would get involved in anything that they knew could result in Paul getting terminated. I know that Paul was often the "squeaky wheel", especially during the last two years of his life. He had become used to getting his way. John usually capitulated. He loved Paul, & he knew that Paul had become disenchanted with the whole scene. Something triggered a series of events that none of them had anticipated. Once triggered, there was nothing that John or George could've done to stop the outcome. Unfortunately, the outcome was Paul being killed !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 3, 2006 23:08:04 GMT -5
THe maharishi is busy building Vedic Cities around the US. Check the Thread, "See What the Maharishi is Doing These Days".... I say a conman in guru's robes. Suck the money out of people thinking they can live longer, by living in another body. Maybe that is the reason that cloning is something many cults are involved in, like Clonaid, Raelians...they want to live longer and create another body to inhabit. Can we say ripoff? You can't write off the Maharishi for 'conning people into thinking they can live in another body' just because lili suggested that in this thread. Where's the 'What the Maharishi is Doing These Days' thread? The search engine isn't turning up anything. It's in the "Beatle World" section of this forum, people associated with the Beatles. I titled it "Check Out What the Maharishi is doing these days.." Sorry, I didn't remember what I titled it exactly until I went back there. I find it strange that the Maharishi is being funded to build these Vedic cities...I wonder if Bill is funding these projects or perhaps George's estate left some for him...don't know...but he's getting alot of help from his spiritual friends...
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Post by noodles on Mar 4, 2006 9:44:30 GMT -5
You can't write off the Maharishi for 'conning people into thinking they can live in another body' just because lili suggested that in this thread. Where's the 'What the Maharishi is Doing These Days' thread? The search engine isn't turning up anything. It's in the "Beatle World" section of this forum, people associated with the Beatles. I titled it "Check Out What the Maharishi is doing these days.." Sorry, I didn't remember what I titled it exactly until I went back there. I find it strange that the Maharishi is being funded to build these Vedic cities...I wonder if Bill is funding these projects or perhaps George's estate left some for him...don't know...but he's getting alot of help from his spiritual friends... Cheers. I'll have a look for it. If you check out the Mayor of the Vedic City you'll see behind he he has three flags showing a sun symbol, an eagle and a gold fringed stars and stripes all of which have major alarm bells ringing in my head. I know from experience we should never judge a book by its cover but dude looks like an uptight mayor from any city USA rather than an enlightened human being. And as I say check out the proclomation on the front page. 'New World Order'. As Cathy O'Brien says that's George HW Bush and Adolf Hitler's favourite phrase.
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Post by lili on Mar 4, 2006 9:49:08 GMT -5
I heard that Dubyah's approval rating has dropped to 36 percent. So, when do you suppose the "assasination attempt " will be ? What else are they going to destroy, so that he can play the "hero" again ?!
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Post by noodles on Mar 4, 2006 10:56:25 GMT -5
It's so funny that you said that, Noodles. Everyday I lament the fact that my day goes by way too fast ! ;D So, you're saying that the Farrows are mind controlled slaves ? I know that it has been hypostulated on 60IF/TKIN that Mia was replaced. I've looked at photos that they offered as evidence. I know that at that time, I felt that it was a very real possibility. You feel that the Beatles were in on it ? I can see them getting involved with something that they didn't understand. Once those boys were introduced to the heavy duty drugs ( such as LSD ) I'm sure that they became alot easier to manipulate. What I cannot believe is that John or George would get involved in anything that they knew could result in Paul getting terminated. I know that Paul was often the "squeaky wheel", especially during the last two years of his life. He had become used to getting his way. John usually capitulated. He loved Paul, & he knew that Paul had become disenchanted with the whole scene. Something triggered a series of events that none of them had anticipated. Once triggered, there was nothing that John or George could've done to stop the outcome. Unfortunately, the outcome was Paul being killed ! I probably shouldn't comment on Prudence Farrow as I know little about her but Maria de Lourdes Villiers Farrow aka Mia Farrow is a little better documented. I suspect she's a mind controlled slave for several reasons. Her marriage to Frank Sinatra for one thing. Sinatra has been named as a slave handler by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler and she married him right when she was crossing over from TV into movies. Maybe he handled her programming for that transistion period. She was also involved with Dean Martin at the time. - from 'The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave' by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler Sinatra was around 50 when he married Farrow. She was around 19 or 20 (I've read differing ages in different articles). Then you have the movie 'Rosemary's Baby' directed by Roman Polanski. The storyline is very interesting. A young couple move into an apartment building in New York. The husband (played by John Cassavetes) is befriended by a well connected satanist couple who live in the apartment next door who offer him fame and fortune (he's an upcoming actor) in return for his wife being used in a satanic ritual, impregnated and giving birth to a demon. It's very symbolic of what conspiracy researchers have been writing about for many years. The movie was filmed in the Dakota bulding in New York which famously is where John Lennon and Yoko Ono lived from 1973 until Lennon's assassination at the Masonic entrance of the building seven years later. Ono still owns apartments in this building. Another famous resident of the Dakota was Judy Garland who again has been named as a mind controlled slave and her most famous movie 'The Wizard Of Oz' is apparently used for programming slaves. Interstingly Shirley Temple another alleged mind controlled slave and 'Sgt Pepper' cover star was also up for the role of Dorothy. Also interestingly Farrow's mother, actress Maureen O'Sullivan played Jane in a number of Tarzan movies alongside another 'Sgt Pepper' cover star Johnny Weismuller. On August 9th (exactly two years after the murder of Joe Orton, another interesting 'coincidence') Roman Polanski's wife Sharon Tate and four other people were murdered by the 'Manson family' in the Polanski's home in LA. The following night in LA Leno LaBianca and his wife ROSEMARY were killed by the 'Manson family'. They wrote 'Healter Skealter' in blood on the LaBianca's fridge door. When Manson and co were arrested they claimed to have been influenced by Beatles songs from the 'White Album' particularly 'Helter Skelter' and 'Piggies'. Sharon Tates killer was known in the 'Manson family' as Sadie Mae Glutz (her real name was Susan Denise Atkins) and it's alleged that she was known as 'Sexy Sadie' even before the 'White Album' was released. Where this was true or not I don't know but she was a topless dancer for a while which gives rise to the possibility of that nickname. When Polanski's pregnant wife was murdered Polanski was partying in London (she's been with him but had returned home). One week after her murder he posed for pictures for 'Life' magazine at the murder scene. In one picture he's in the living room where his pregnant wife was killed, her blood still very evident and in another he's at the front door of his house again blood everywhere and the word 'Pig' written on the door with his wife's blood. Polanski allegedly treated Tate badly after she gotten pregant. He allegedly cheated on her and just recently he successfully sued 'Vanity Fair' after they accused him of hitting on women on the way to Tate's funeral. Mia Farrow defended him in court. In 1977 Polanki plied a 13-year-old girl with drink and drugs, he then raped and sodomised her. He pleaded guilty but fled the US when he realised he would be going to prison. What this all means I do not know but there are three things that keep recurring in the PWR phenomenom. Freemasonary, satanism and mindcontrol.
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