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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 18, 2005 0:15:53 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Dec 18, 2005 0:26:03 GMT -5
Where have I seen that before? That is a good collection of pics, I must admit, and if you were looking for a double that didn't need a whole lotta tweaking then yes. |
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Post by -Wings- on Dec 18, 2005 0:38:52 GMT -5
Sorry, but Melody Maker Paul couldn't have been Dino. There's no way. The nose is just too different, and while BeatlePaul used the photo with a more convincing angle, this one shows that he didn't have Dino's nose:  While it's possible they used a replacement Paul before September 18th, 1966 had he been feeling stressed out, I can't see Dino coming into the picture before then. The Melody Makers were probably the last public appearance Paul put in before he either died or had his breakdown (depending on which theory you subscribe to) My pet theory is that if Dino was used, it was during the interim period between late September and early November when they were sugerically altering the one we know as Bill. From a distance he looks like Paul, but closer scrutiny, plus the fact that he never got plastic surgery to look more like him, kind of goes against the idea that he was a long-term Faul. |
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Post by JoJo on Dec 18, 2005 1:04:44 GMT -5
At a distance, yes, much like that may have been possible with Keith Allison.
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Post by mciiii on Dec 18, 2005 1:17:39 GMT -5
an interesting thing is Dino was a drumer from the Young Rascals, the Young Rascals play at the Shea Stadium concert (King Curtis Band, Cannibal and the Headhunters, Brenda Holloway, The Young Rascals and Sounds Incorporated before Ed Sullivan finally walked on stage to announce The Beatles), the band was potograped by Linda Eastman on the sixties  The Young Rascals by Linda McCartney , Sid Bernstein, the promoter who brought the Fabs to Shea Stadium, was the YR manager. Dino Danelli plays on the side one of the Lennon album "live Jam" (who comes with "Some Time in NYC")
on the songs
Cold Turkey 6:40
Don't worry Kyoko 14:48
The full line-up for the Plastic Ono Supergroup was: John (vocals and guitar), George Harrison, Eric Clapton and Delaney Bramlett (guitars), Klaus Voorman (bass), Jim Gordon, Keith Moon and Alan White (drums), Billy Preston (organ - sadly this was lost in the recording and was replaced by Nicky Hopkins' electric piano overdubbed in New York), Bonnie Bramlett and "Friends" (percussion and brass - "Friends" included Bobby Keyes on saxophone, Jim Price on trumpet with Bobby Whitlock and Carl Radle), also assisting was "Legs" Larry Smith (from the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band) and Dino Danelli (the drummer from The Young Rascals). I think the Beatles-Danelli conection exist |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 18, 2005 9:02:11 GMT -5
The one who originally posted the thread said "Oops, a mistake....or maybe not..." just for emphasis . IMO that was thrown in to show the uncanny resemblance.
On other threads showing the band onstage, don't know if it was from Ed Sullivan, or other TV appearances, but there are some that the Paul doesn't look like JPM up close and the George in some of those close ups are not the real George.
It seems like many of their live appearances, there were stand ins.....
I know that somewhere I had read that they used "decoys" when going in and out of vehicles or buildings to throw the fans and then the real Beatles would slip out the back in a delivery truck. Sorry I don't have my resources as reference, but it was material I had read in the past and no longer have in my possession.
Which could explain some pre 1966 photos showing an imposter in place of one of the others. But when you see the footage edited, on film, you would not have seen the images for not much longer than a split second. So when originally seen, we wouldn't have been able to notice any differences. But now, with technology, one can freeze a frame and split the image, alter it.. but when this was occuring, we didn't know.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 18, 2005 9:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by lili on Dec 19, 2005 14:09:17 GMT -5
All very valid points, Rita.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 22, 2005 23:26:06 GMT -5
If you go back to the thread where I got this, from the other forum, you will see where someone thinks Ringo was replaced.
If that's the case, we have a Fingo? That would be strange...No real Beatles left and two fakes pretending...
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Post by lili on Dec 27, 2005 10:23:29 GMT -5
Who knows, eh ?
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Post by -Wings- on Dec 27, 2005 21:20:55 GMT -5
You know, I'd bet both of my nuts that John, George, and Ringo were not replaced. There's no true physical changing, there are no clues, there's no evidence in the lyrics, and there's no timeframe in which it would be possible (in the interim of the summer of '66 to early winter '67, Paul is the one one who was never seen nor photographed for longer than four weeks).
It's mad barking at the moon.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 27, 2005 22:00:47 GMT -5
While I won't wager any body parts, I don't think there were any replacements for John, George or Ringo.
John may have looked different as he aged, but that's the same man. Same nose, same strong jawline, same teeth, just a thinner and frailer man.
George had some dental work, but I know he was not replaced.
And Ringo....who could replace that face? While during the original cast of SNL on the Weekend Update had announced that Yassar Arafat had won the Ringo Starr look a like contest. That was during Ringo's scruffy era.
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Post by beatlies on Dec 27, 2005 23:11:29 GMT -5
TKIN is saying that Ringo was replaced with a Fingo imposter, and that John and George were not replaced, but doubles were used at times for them, apparently very close, almost uncanny doubles but still provably fakes, similar to the spy-level quality of Faul.
A conclusive Ringo and Fingo analysis could be done with voiceprint identification, and maybe if I keep talking about voiceprints someone is eventually going to do them.
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Post by beatlies on Dec 27, 2005 23:12:13 GMT -5
George had some dental work, but I know he was not replaced. And Ringo....who could replace that face? While during the original cast of SNL on the Weekend Update had announced that Yassar Arafat had won the Ringo Starr look a like contest. That was during Ringo's scruffy era. Apparently Yassar Arafat could. |
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Post by JoJo on Dec 27, 2005 23:29:33 GMT -5
maybe if I keep talking about voiceprints someone is eventually going to do them. Maybe you could take this project on yourself? Generally, if something interests me enough, I find my own way of making it happen.. |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 27, 2005 23:29:57 GMT -5
Yes, but Yassar is now history.....or is he? Did he become Fingo?
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Post by beatlies on Jan 4, 2006 22:25:22 GMT -5
From Abbey Road in 1969 -------
"Here come ol' flattop
[This is the line of "Here come a flat-top, he was movin' up with me" in "You Can't Catch Me," Chuck Berry's song that the melody is copied from, it refers to a car on the highway]
He come groovin' up slowly
[Groovin' ----- a hit song for Dino Danelli and the group for whom he played drums The (Young) Rascals.]
..... One thing I can tell you is you got to be free"
[People Got to Be Free --- a hit 1968 song for Dino Danelli.]
Lennon is really putting it up front for everyone to see.
JPM look-alike Dino Danelli: someone in the media must have commented on how much he resembled JPM.
The enigmatic, obscure lyrics make sense when the listener begins to realize his is referring to Dino Danelli not just being a JPM look-alike but actually his double to fool the planet.
People Got To Be Free
by Felix Cavaliere and Eddie Brigati
All the world over, so easy to see
People everywhere just wanna be free
Listen, please listen, that's the way it should be
Peace in the valley, people got to be free
You should see what a lovely, lovely world this'd be
Everyone learns to live together
Seems to me such an easy, easy thing should be
Why can't you and me learn to love one another
All the world over, so easy to see
People everywhere just wanna be free (wanna be free)
I can't understand it, so simple to me (it is)
People everywhere just got to be free
GROOVIN'
The Young Rascals
Groovin' on a Sunday afternoon
Really couldn't get away too soon
I can't imagine anything that's better
The world is ours whenever we're together
There ain't a place I'd like to be instead of
Movin' down a crowded avenue
Doing anything we like to do
There's always lots of things that we can see
You can be anyone we like to be
All those happy people we could meet
Just groovin' on a Sunday afternoon
Really, couldn't get away too soon
We'll keep on spending sunny days this way
We're gonna talk and laugh our time away
I feel it coming closer day by day
Life would be ecstasy, you and me endlessly
Groovin' on a Sunday afternoon
Really couldn't get away to soon
No, No, No, No
Groovin'
Groovin'
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Post by lili on Jan 5, 2006 12:04:27 GMT -5
You're saying that Dino replaced Paul ? Now that could've been possible in the beginning. However, the person who is "Paul" now does not have eyes as wide apart as Paul & Dino.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 6, 2006 21:33:23 GMT -5
I could believe Dino was JPM in the early stages of the replacement process. He looked more like JPM than many of the pics of Bill. At least in photo ops and possible appearances in filming of those videos. But when it came to performing, could Dino sing? Could he play bass?
Perhaps the reason Bill won the job was his attempt at playing bass and mimicking the singing better.
Or Bill used his masonic influence to win the role over Dino.
Dino is not the man we know of as Sir Paul, unless he had surgery to look worse....
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 11, 2006 3:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by lili on Jan 14, 2006 9:35:42 GMT -5
Rita, thanks for all the Dino info.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 15, 2006 1:25:03 GMT -5
You're welcome. The reason I wanted to research to see if Dino was still alive and still performing. Didn't know, if he served as a Faul for a time being, what did they do with him after they were done?
I am assuming he was just a "short term Faul" and not a permanent one. Possibly because of his voice, and that he played drums and not a bass.
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Post by lili on Jan 16, 2006 11:31:19 GMT -5
That could be. They might not have even told him what happened to Paul. Maybe they told him that Paul was ill & they needed a lookalike for short term ?
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Post by beatlies on Jan 26, 2006 3:12:49 GMT -5
There was a discussion on whether this photo from the white album poster is of Sheppard or JPM, but it may look most like Dino Danelli ---  Danelli had a face closer to the broader, fatter face that JPM seemed to be acquiring in 1966 (due to female hormones?) |
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Post by bluemeanie on Jan 26, 2006 6:10:07 GMT -5
female hormones??!!
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