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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 11, 2005 14:47:58 GMT -5
64 is certainly JPM sped up.
Leaving Home is almost certainly JPM slowed down
Getting Better -- I'd look for JPM on the chorus, someone else on the verses
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Post by mciiii on Dec 11, 2005 17:42:55 GMT -5
Don`t forget "WHEN I'M SIXTY FOUR" is a old beatle tune from the quarrymen era. note the diferences between John and Bill comentsJOHN 1967: "'When I'm Sixty Four' was something Paul wrote in the Cavern days. We just stuck in a few more words, like 'grandchildren on your knee,' and 'Vera Chuck and Dave.' It was just one of those ones that he'd had, that we've all got, really-- half a song. And this was just one of those that was quite a hit with us. We used to do it when the amps broke down, just sing it on the piano."
JOHN 1972: "I think I helped Paul with some of the words."
JOHN 1980: "Paul's, completely. I would never dream of writing a song like that. There's some things I never think about, and that's one of them.
PAUL 1984: "I wrote the tune when I was about 15, I think, on the piano at home, before I moved from Liverpool. It was kind of a cabaret tune. Then, years later, I put words to it."
PAUL circa-1994: "I thought it was a good little tune but it was too vaudvillian, so I had to get some cod lines to take the sting out of it, and put the tongue very firmly in cheek."
www.geocities.com/~beatleboy1/dba08sgt.html
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 12, 2005 17:45:51 GMT -5
While most of the song does sound like Ringo, I do have to question his ability to be able to hold that last note as long as recorded. When I was young, I used to think Ringo sang, Back in the USSR, Why DOn't We Do It In The Road, Lady Madonna, the voices are not JPM sounding at all. THey don't even sound "Faulish" But thinking about it later, it couldn't be Ringo hitting those high notes, like "Making ends meet" in the end of LM and the falsetto in WDWDINTR. Ringo was not a falsetto kind of singer, more like a droning sound to me. Which most of WALHFMF is, but the last note, makes me wonder, was he singing it at all, or a "Faulsetto"? Just my opinion, but very strange vocals on these songs.
JPM never used false vibrato in holding notes as Faul does. So the vocals that held the note with vibrato was Faul and not JPM
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Post by lili on Dec 13, 2005 9:42:09 GMT -5
JoJo, that could very well be.
Those are interesting concepts, Total Information.
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Post by DarkHorse on Feb 28, 2006 20:31:15 GMT -5
On the Anthology, at the part where they are discussing Pepper, they start to play WALHFMF, and the camera goes into the TV whereby they show Ringo playing keyboards while they continue to play the song. Maybe it's as if to say that we, the fans, are brainwashed(by the metaphor of the tv) to think Ringo sang that song?
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Post by lili on Mar 1, 2006 12:59:02 GMT -5
DarkHorse, maybe they're trying to say that Ringo could no more sing that song, than he could play the keyboards ?!
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Post by noodles on Mar 1, 2006 14:54:17 GMT -5
It amazes me that people think WI64 is the real Paul MacCartney. It sounds so little like him it's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is when you compare the the vocals from SLH with WI64. It's so obviously two different people. It's incredible that I've listened to this album so many times over the last twenty plus years and never heard the things I'm hearing now. The power of suggestion is something we need to understand.
The joy of Pepper and a great many of The Beatles tracks is the extreme stereo mixes. To their (The Beatles and co) advantage the mixes help confuse peoples brains and stop you focusing in on the sound of the vocal but when you pan left or right (depending on which track) you can often as not find a clear vocal track with little and sometimes no music (parts of BJW are accapella).
Listen to SLH right channel - just one verse - and then listen to WI64 left channel. Clearly two different people. How can people not have noticed the difference? What else have we not noticed while we've been living our lives on this planet?
If you listen to WI64 left channel all the way through it's clearly a voice impressionist. His accent wanders on this and on LR, particularly on LR but on WI64 he wanders the farthest when he does a Scottish accent singing 'grand children on yrrr knee'. I guess that may be deliberate but if you study both you'll see what I mean.
I'm fairly she SLH is the real Paul although I need to study some more. I'm fairly sure ADITL is an impressionist albeit a different one from other tracks. I'm guessing they were using several at that time before Stage 3 Paul stepped into play shortly before the 'White Album'.
Another funny thing when you start examing the vocals is how the different 'Paul' vocalists have different vocal ranges. One track he can hit the high notes and on others he can't. Again how did people not spot this?
Also is there a female vocalist credited for LITSWD? Because I hear one in the chorus.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 1, 2006 19:27:56 GMT -5
I do agree generally but, rolling Rrrr's isn't specific to Scotland, its a Northern English thing, Yorkshiremen do it, Lancastrians do it, as do Scots, as well as others, that isn't a clue. I'm not saying it is or isn't an impersonator, but it doesn't count as evidence.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 1, 2006 21:28:18 GMT -5
I do agree generally but, rolling Rrrr's isn't specific to Scotland, its a Northern English thing, Yorkshiremen do it, Lancastrians do it, as do Scots, as well as others, that isn't a clue. I'm not saying it is or isn't an impersonator, but it doesn't count as evidence. Annnnnd Neil Aspinall was fom Wales. hmmm Regarding noodles' comments, well, if you are listening to Pepper, right after Getting Better it breaks into Fixing A Hole and you can really hear the difference there. Paul sounds like he is singing in a tunnel all of a sudden. Such a drastic change that is so obvious that is takes you by surprise and makes you wonder why you didn't notice it before. Btw, I think She's Leaving Home is JPM all the way.
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Post by noodles on Mar 2, 2006 5:01:26 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say that lines sounds Scottish simply because the vocalist rolls his r's. He does it in other places in the song too but the two words 'your knee' are song with a faux Scottish accent much like the faux Scottish accents in 'The Wicker Man'. They definitely used a lot of vocal effects at that time to disguise and confuse. In some ways it makes it hard to compare vocals (precisely the point) but SLH and WI64 are the two that really show a huge difference. The fact that they're on the same album just makes me chuckle or freaks me out depending on my mood.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 2, 2006 8:19:18 GMT -5
Ok it may sound like that faux-Scottish accent but I assure you the accent is normal.
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Post by noodles on Mar 2, 2006 11:16:14 GMT -5
What do you mean by 'normal'? Do mean normal for people in oop north? It sounds very Scottish to me.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 2, 2006 19:39:24 GMT -5
Yes, it sounds most definitely Scouse, at the very least Merseyside.
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Post by noodles on Mar 3, 2006 5:15:55 GMT -5
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 3, 2006 6:40:38 GMT -5
Ok, fair enough noodles, just my Mother is from Liverpool and I was born in Birkenhead so that's why I feel that way.
I had noticed that this has developed into "our" thread, so yeah I agree, I'll disagree with you, and you'll disagree with me, agreed!?
;D
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Post by noodles on Mar 3, 2006 10:22:26 GMT -5
I was born up north too (in Durham) so I know northen accents pretty well too but the fact that the voice sounds so different to 'She's Leaving Home' and any real Paul vocals is the real issue here rather than my rather than my pointless accent change observations. I've just been studying this too hard.
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Post by lili on Mar 3, 2006 10:26:53 GMT -5
I thought that Paul's true accent sounded almost "Scottish". Since I'm an American, I won't pretend to know British accents. I will say, however, that Bill's accent doesn't even come close to how Paul really spoke.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 3, 2006 11:35:32 GMT -5
That's good to know noodles, a fellow Englishman on the board!
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 3, 2006 13:07:49 GMT -5
Well there's a person on this board with a Scottish accent and she has stated that that is a Scottish accent on WI64. Of course it could be an imitation as already discussed. That's good to know noodles, a fellow Englishman on the board! That could come in handy. Especially when researching the area in which Paul could have crashed. Somewhere in Lancashire we know...and is there a Duesbury road around there?
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 3, 2006 20:56:25 GMT -5
I think it was Tewkesbury road.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 3, 2006 21:09:48 GMT -5
I think it was Tewkesbury road. Well I am talking about the refernce in MMT. It sounds likes Duesbury.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 4, 2006 20:11:18 GMT -5
I know the reference but its kinda a silent "K" in the name I said, obviously it's just my opinion, but I'll get back to you after the weekend, i'm always busy on Sat and Sun.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 6, 2006 7:03:29 GMT -5
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 7, 2006 4:22:43 GMT -5
Good work PP. I think you're right, the first one is the likely candidate. Tell us what you are referring to in TFOTH that makes that the likely one.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 7, 2006 6:21:37 GMT -5
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