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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 7, 2006 7:34:54 GMT -5
It would have to be countryside, especially for Paul to be missing for any more than a day or two.
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Post by mysteryboy on Mar 15, 2006 4:42:29 GMT -5
I'd have to say that is not even close. It's Ringo.
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Post by noodles on Mar 27, 2006 17:53:55 GMT -5
MP3Modified by JoJo to give this a file a more permanent place.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 27, 2006 18:13:38 GMT -5
A better comparison would be the Pepper track versus later life performances of the song by Ringo.
At this point, my vote is that it's Lennon imitating Ringo.
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Post by noodles on Mar 27, 2006 18:18:53 GMT -5
Cheers JoJo.
It sounds like two different people to me regardless.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 27, 2006 19:11:47 GMT -5
A better comparison would be the Pepper track versus later life performances of the song by Ringo. At this point, my vote is that it's Lennon imitating Ringo. I guess some of us have tried messing with the pitch, (I know I have) without conclusive results. Anyway, I've been meaning to put this up, it's labeled as "live", but with no more info, but I strongly suspect it's the live from Montreaux VHS tape, with the sound captured. (same song line up, and from 1992) Ringo live
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Post by DarkHorse on Sept 25, 2006 10:40:22 GMT -5
I still say it is NOT Ringo in the original version. Original:
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Sept 25, 2006 15:18:06 GMT -5
From my hearing that sounds like it's a little higher pitched than what I remember originally hearing. Now when I heard it in it's original form, was on a 33 1/3 RPM. Later on the stereos played back on just 33, which would alter the sound a bit, making it sound a little bit faster and a little bit higher.
Or, if it was originally recorded with a certain sound, but it could have been slowed down a bit, making the voice a little bit deeper, and it would make it sound more like what Ringo sounded like back then.
Given that IF this was Bill singing as Ringo, it would be a little higher range than what Ringo could sing. So by slowing the tape down until it had a lower and slower sound, it could be more Ringo-esque.
By what this original recording is, it sounds like it could be Bill. Remember, he had to learn Paul's voice, so why couldn't he shift he vocals to imitate Ringo?
I remember in the pre 66 recordings there were some instances where John and JPM sang almost so close that it was hard to tell apart with an untrained ear. There were even a couple that George and John sounded similar, early recordings...
I'm just thinking if Bill imitated all their vocals in his pre Paul days, it would not be a stretch to think he could have imitated Ringo's vocals in this recording.
I know that Ringo doesn't have a great range in his vocal and that note at the end was quite a bit high and held for a long time, which was not part of his ability.
Although I remember a video "The Making of Sgt. Pepper"..Ringo said he had a hard time getting that note...but that is the story they tell to cover the fact of PID/PWR.
I would not be at all surprised to think it was Bill, or someone else imitating Ringo. It does not sound like Ringo, esp. that second song clip.
I would have to listen to "I Wanna Be Your Man" or some other older Ringo song to compare to this.
Someone else mentioned that they thought it was John. While John had a more versatile voice than Ringo, he didn't have the ability to hold that note at the end with the vibrato.
Another point is the song Lady Madonna. When I was a kid and first heard this song, I thought it was Ringo singing. During most of the song it does resemble Ringo but the falsetto at the end showed me, after some years of observation that it was not Ringo, but it definitely was not JPM. I was confused at the sounds of the voices of the later recordings that was attributed to being JPM.
Bill is the shape shifter, and so is his voice. I have to give him credit for being able to alter the sound of his voice. Unfortunately, he really does not have the deep tones that was uniquely JPM. Hearing Bill sing And I Love Her would not do him any justice because he does not have that vocal range.
It's no surprise that most of the Beatle songs that Bill performs are the ones he recorded. And hearing him doing a pre 66 JPM song would be disturbing because he doesn't have the range. I don't think you'd hear him sing "I'm Down" "Kansas City/Hey, Hey,Hey" or 'Long Tall Sally".
I think we have been victim of a little mind control here. Being told it's Ringo, we accept it as being Ringo, but studying the vocals, we learn something else.
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Post by JoJo on Sept 25, 2006 16:43:23 GMT -5
Actually he has done I'm Down, and Long Tall Sally. Another famous one that shows the JPM sound is Lucille, and I even have a version of Bill and Little Richard's version, a back and forth thing like what I did with Yesterday. Funny coincidence, Derek Taylor did exactly the same thing (with Little Richard) on his radio show in late '67, only it was JPM's version.
This last tour, Bill did 'Till There Was you, (pretty sure for the first time) and I remember way back sometime during the first few months of this forum, I said something about how "he would never dare do that song" or some such.. Guess he proved me wrong? ;D
Now, saying he doesn't sound much like JPM at this point is meaningless, he barely sounds like 1967 Bill either, time has taken its toll.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Sept 25, 2006 20:51:19 GMT -5
Because I don't follow Bill as you do, I stand corrected.
After a long period of time for most singers, their voices are not the same. Most cases the voice gets deeper. Perhaps that may be one reason Bill does more JPM songs. His register has lowered some.
I have to hand it to him, he's copied the voice and mannerisms enough to fool most of the people for 40 years.
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Post by lili on Sept 26, 2006 11:19:36 GMT -5
Yes he has. I find it sad & pathetic that most people are that easy to fool.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Sept 26, 2006 21:15:21 GMT -5
Well, without getting into a long discertation on the dumbing down of society....It's like a gradual mind control thing....If we're told something long enough and often enough, generally speaking, most people fall for it....Like for example, Michael Bolton being a wonderfully brilliant singer. IF some people hear that often enough and long enough, they will believe it.
I know that is an extremely exaggerated example, but you know what I mean.
Eating fast food, not getting enough exercise and rest, living a hectic and fast paced life and making decisions on what tv celebs tell you to do..you are being dumbed down...
You have to learn to live and think outside the proverbial box.
Some have learned not only think and live outside of it, but they have crawled underneath it...
But with the setting of the Beatles, the time "in the studio" story, and that their music got so technical that it could only be produced in the studio and suitable for touring....and when they came back they all looked a" little bit older...and a little bit slower..." And the drugs made them look different thing....we believed it...but at least we are aware of it now. But for those who still feel PIA...well, they can't see the forest for the trees.
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Post by lili on Sept 27, 2006 11:24:45 GMT -5
Very well said, LR. I know alot of people who have their heads buried in the sand !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Sept 28, 2006 21:45:50 GMT -5
Many have had their head buried in the sand, and it was something I mentioned on another thread, but I'll repeat myself here.
I believe that Sgt. Pepper was part of the paradigm shift of the Beatles, going from the love songs of the Fab Four, Mop Top image into the deeper, philosophical, acid inspired, eastern mysticism world. Never to be the cutesy lads from Liverpool, but spokesmen for their generation. They were the pied pipers of a new way of living, of a new world order...all of the Aquarian mentality that was going on, a New Atlantis...finding the utopia of getting together and loving one another.
Not only did not "look" the same, but their music took on new levels of understanding and the young people sucked it all in. The world was changing, the Vietnam War was intensifying and the young people didn't want to fight the politician's war. No longer was the home in "Leave It To Beaver" mythology. Experimenting with all sorts of drugs, and lifestyles...
Nothing was the same...without JPM it was like part of the glue was beginning to become undone. The fans who followed the Beatles at first didn't understand where they were going. Some stopped, but many followed. It was a change in the way people looked at the world and it was a change in the way people looked at themselves.
You had other pied pipers like O'Leary and the Chicago 7 filling the heads of the youth, and it was a strange time in history.
Anyhow....the sound of Beatles changed forever and the way we used to assume, "Hey, that's John, or hey, that's Ringo..." From this point it was sounding like Ringo, but hey, he never held a note like that..." Who is it?
Now hindsight we can see what has happened in the facial comparisons and the clues can be easily pointed out in the videos with technology that can freeze frames...But it's quite disturbing to think these wide range of things have been all put into the album covers, the music and even public appearances....
Not all things are as they appear to be...
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Post by lili on Sept 30, 2006 13:32:37 GMT -5
No they're not. I find the whole thing to be very disturbing. I have told people about my concern about PID. Most people say, " who cares ?! " ( my own mother included ! ) What they don't see is the big picture. If they can do this with Paul, Sylvie, Eric, etc., etc. what else can they do !!! [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 1, 2006 17:36:40 GMT -5
And who else can they "replace"? If they do this for celebrities, why not our elected officials?
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Post by lili on Oct 2, 2006 11:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 2, 2006 18:25:33 GMT -5
Yeah, the Commander n Thief may be "Fubya"....
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Post by Paul Bearer on Oct 11, 2006 4:43:40 GMT -5
Or "Rubya" as in "Robot Bush"!
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Post by lili on Oct 11, 2006 9:49:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be something else ! ;D
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 12, 2006 12:51:52 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be something else ! ;D ROBO PREZ
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Post by Red Lion on Oct 22, 2009 0:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Oct 22, 2009 1:12:21 GMT -5
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