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Post by revolver on Dec 20, 2004 23:10:54 GMT -5
You forgot to fix the nose. Hey, it just looks different because of the camera angle, lens, film, lighting, weather, aging, solar flares, fill in the blank. There's always an explanation.
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 20, 2004 23:15:06 GMT -5
You forgot to fix the nose. Uh... what? Are you saying I shopped that picture?
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Post by Girl on Dec 20, 2004 23:28:43 GMT -5
I said nothing of the kind.
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 20, 2004 23:32:05 GMT -5
I said nothing of the kind. Then what did you mean by "you forgot to fix the nose"?
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Post by Girl on Dec 20, 2004 23:39:14 GMT -5
Simply that... if you're going to make a point about one thing, don't ignore the obvious! Perhaps a different photo would have made a better choice. That's all.
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 20, 2004 23:46:08 GMT -5
Simply that... if you're going to make a point about one thing, don't ignore the obvious! Of course you think I'm "ignoring the obvious", everyone here does, and if you were at M4E, it would be vice versa. We're talking about the ears, and that pic supported my argument.
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Post by xpt626 on Dec 20, 2004 23:49:26 GMT -5
...if you were at M4E, it would be vice versa. and if we were in Bizzaro World... *nevermind*
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Post by Girl on Dec 20, 2004 23:55:58 GMT -5
You are correct. The ears as presented would appear to support your argument. But what good is that if the rest of the face does not line up with Paul McCartney? What if I suggested the pic may have been doctored originally, since I know that no one here would stoop to such levels?
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 21, 2004 0:01:38 GMT -5
You are correct. The ears as presented would appear to support your argument. But what good is that if the rest of the face does not line up with Paul McCartney? Just because you say "the rest of the face does not line up with Paul McCartney", doesn't mean it's true. Maybe it is true, do a fade, let's see!
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Post by xpt626 on Dec 21, 2004 0:09:55 GMT -5
Maybe it is true, do a fade, let's see! BRO-THER.puh-leeze, enough with the fades already
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 21, 2004 0:14:11 GMT -5
BRO-THER.puh-leeze, enough with the fades already She said "the rest of the face does not line up with Paul McCartney". I want her to back that up!
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Post by Girl on Dec 21, 2004 0:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 21, 2004 0:23:45 GMT -5
I do not do fades. But I would love to see one using this pic. Hold on, if you don't do fades, or comparisons, then how do you know it doesn't "line up"? Trusting your eyes? Bad idea.
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Post by Girl on Dec 21, 2004 0:26:01 GMT -5
Yes, FP, if there's one thing I've learned in life, it would be to trust my eyes... they've never let me down yet.
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Post by Doc on Dec 21, 2004 1:55:33 GMT -5
But that's how we deal with life, and recognizing people, and socializing. We know who they are, first, by sight (for those fortunately with sight). And our eye movements and expression telegraph our feelings and reactions to others. Judging (reckoning, not passing judgement) by our eyesight is a fundamental operation of our mental software. We ought to train it to make it keener, not rely a lot on the convenience (and possible misleading) of fades. Everything we need to know to arrive at true discernment is in our heads if we could only use it. Its a lazy muscle in today's world. Stretch, people, stretch. Well, easy for me to preach. I won't even do sit-ups in the morning. Exercize is what I endure whilst hefting this lumpy frame to the next chair. 10 steps, then plop. 15 steps then plop. Gosh, sometimes I feel like my relationship to the chair is one of installation. Like, just try and pry me up out of it. Call Allied and have 'em bring the deluxe dolly...... Speaking of judgement, I need to sentence myself to 4 laps a day around the complex, walking spiritedly. I hereby do so. Judgement is pronounced. Mandatory Daily Forum Walking. No bail. Probationary. Progress report to follow. To be fair, I have lost 26 pounds and maintained it for 6 months. Maybe its time to kick it up a notch. Bam. But, back on topic. (Passably...) With fades, frankly, I kinda can't tell what I'm lookin at anymore. All any fade shows is that you can blend two or more facial images together. You can make two different people fade well, to a point. You can make the geometry of near faces agree. You can't make the facial quality agree if the beholder has a keen sense, or knows the two people well. Even if the geometry lines up well. And, about earlobes--I had an ear operation in my teens. They sliced my lobes open and removed some enlarged sebacious glands in both. Now, they became scarred and dangly. My new lobes looked a little different. My lobes changed. If my lobes could be changed, other lobes could change by like means. It's a possibility. Just sayin'. But, what do lobes matter in the overall picture? We can tell people apart w/out seeing their ears. I kept my ears out of sight from age 16 to about 30. When I saw them again, I thought, my, dangly and scarred. So I grew longer hair for 5 more years. I worried abut my hairstyle showing my ears. I by chance viewed my displeasing lobes later, and decided to accept them as they were. And, nobody glared at my earlobes. Probably cause they were glued onto other trainwreck facial defects of age and abuse. Those dark circles, the newest crow foot. (I cope with crowsfeet ONE foot at a time. Its really best.)That occasional pimple I still get at 47....(which gives me a strange glow of hope, like when they "card" a 50 year old going into a nightclub)--- Hate to say it, but lobes just don't add up to a lot in the ID department, person to person. I mean, you'd miss 'em and all, and be funny looking to the unenlightened, for sure aliens have been getting by "sans lobage" for centuries--but, point is, we'd all recognize most any celebrity without their earlobes. Even somebody with the most stretched out, tent-awning sized spatulated hang-down ear flaps the world has ever seen..... Except for maybe Dumbo, and er, um, Bugs Bunny...........bet he never worried about his harestyle............ We won't see this on Sir Paul's epitaph: Oh, accursed earlobe, How thee hast made me frown so. A lobe unattached, was fin'lly catched, From the way you were hangin' down low. Oh, auric vestibule, Your covering gives me duress, Whilst rolling my tongue, my secret was sprung, 'Cause Mendel was right, I confess. web.clas.ufl.edu/users/rhatch/pages/05-SecondaryTeaching/NSF-PLANS/4-5_SCIENTIF.htmNo, the earlobe research is not going to bring a giant revelation. But, oh, the little things we inherit. How many of you can whistle? I am so jealous. I tried going, "Polly want a cracker, auwaak, swsst-swsssooh (a whistle) to my mom's pet cockateel many years ago. The goldarned bird burst out laughing at me. That's a fine ticket. When the birds can "one-up" you, and live to laugh about it. What would Mendel say about that? What would Darwin say about it? Survival of the twittest.
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Post by Girl on Dec 21, 2004 9:28:13 GMT -5
Doc is such a breath of fresh air, ain't he? Way to go, Doc.
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Post by Girl on Dec 21, 2004 9:36:56 GMT -5
Hilarious!
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 22, 2004 16:01:39 GMT -5
My father-in-law went to the emergency room this morning because he was unresponsive. He has alzheimers disease and is not doing very well. He thinks my wife is his sister and he thinks he's a kid.
Anyway, in the emergency room, with nothing to do other than to stare at him, I noticed his earlobes. They are attached, but now that he is older, the base of the earlobe droops a lot, making it look unattached. I can see how that can be confusing.
He came around and all tests were negative, but they still don't know why he went unconscious. If anyone has had similar circumstances, let me know if you have any ideas.
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 22, 2004 17:45:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the PMs. It has been a big help!
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Post by revolver on Dec 22, 2004 23:59:47 GMT -5
My father-in-law went to the emergency room this morning because he was unresponsive. He has alzheimers disease and is not doing very well. He thinks my wife is his sister and he thinks he's a kid. Anyway, in the emergency room, with nothing to do other than to stare at him, I noticed his earlobes. They are attached, but now that he is older, the base of the earlobe droops a lot, making it look unattached. I can see how that can be confusing. He came around and all tests were negative, but they still don't know why he went unconscious. If anyone has had similar circumstances, let me know if you have any ideas. Hope your father-in-law is doing better, Edmond. Regarding the lobes, I think Paul's were like that: attached but also rounded at the bottom. Not all attached lobes are the same.
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Post by Doc on Dec 23, 2004 2:02:06 GMT -5
Somewhat off-topic: REVENGE AND VENGEANCE: THE COUNT OF MONTECRISTO
The Count of Monte Cristo is Alexandre Dumas' classic story of an innocent man wrongly but deliberately imprisoned and his brilliant strategy for revenge against those who betrayed him.
The power of vengeance and revenge as central themes in this amazing story were so controversial a message that the Catholic Church in France condemned its release, in 1845.
The protagonist, Edmond Dantés is a young sailor, a guileless and honest young man whose peaceful life and plans to marry the beautiful Mercedes are abruptly shattered when two enemies betray him. The story starts, as he is about to marry his sweetheart and become a captain of a vessel when he is framed as a Napoleonic conspirator, shortly before Napoleon's dramatic return from Elba in 1815. He is then unjustly sentenced and imprisoned in the infamous island prison of the Chateau D'If by the public prosecutor, Villefort who is anxious to conceal his own father's machinations on behalf of Bonaparte.
Trapped in a nightmare that lasts 14 years he befriends the Abbe Faria, a fellow prisoner who takes the role of a father figure and who highly educates Dantes in every subject. However still haunted by the baffling course, which his life has taken, he vows to himself to seek vengeance against those who betrayed him and finally manages to escape the prison in a highly dramatic manner.
After accomplishing the escape he manages to find the fortune of treasure, which the Abbe Faria had left to him on the island of Monte Cristo and transforms himself into the mysterious and wealthy Count of Monte Cristo. With his fortune he helps the good and plans a carefully wrought revenge, which destroys the enemies who betrayed him showing the wrong side of the bourgeois world.
Just wanted to expand on your choice of screenname---interesting classic novel. Actually, now I want to see the movie. And read the book on-line. Well, turning pages seems so much a chore now.
Gosh I'm lazy.
Edmond, praying that your father-in-law's situation becomes better.
And for every Monsieur Dante in the world, may justice prevail for all.
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 23, 2004 9:46:07 GMT -5
It's a great book. There was a mini-series on Bravo a few years back that was the best on-screen rendition. Others are good, but are not long enough to do justice to the story.
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Post by Doc on Dec 24, 2004 4:05:42 GMT -5
The mini-series is great--it lets a good story come into your living room, stretch its legs a bit, a sprawl out right in front of you. Not in too big a hurry.
And cliff hang you night after night until its done.
Like a good, old-fashioned, master story teller.
A good story takes time to execute well. It deserves a good set-up, a careful exposition, an engaging pace, and a little suspense along the way. It takes a good teller to do the telling.
I will seek out this movie, if it is available. Thanks for the info.
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Post by revolver on Dec 26, 2004 23:53:11 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious from numerous photos that Paul's earlobes were attached. So why do we sometimes see a crease or shadow between the lobe and neck in some photos? Well, my father has attached lobes, but they're attached with skin folded behind the lobe so they appear to be separate at the point of attachment. The bottom is also rounded like Paul's. When the lobes are pulled out, the attachment is obvious. I think Paul had that type of attached lobe. The clue is, unlike Faul's lobes we never see any air gap between the lobe and the neck.
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Post by Goldfinger on Apr 25, 2005 11:27:41 GMT -5
Testing...
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