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Post by mommybird on Aug 15, 2007 10:33:43 GMT -5
PP wrote: Well I don't see you having a go at Jarv with his little ditties or Doc when he tells us of his musings, why go crazy over Apollo? (not that anyone should be having a go at either of the aforementioned!) That's because neither Jarv nor Doc are playing games with our heads. Jarv always states that he's just trying to take us down another path. Doc, well, we all know where Doc is coming from. And we all love him for it ! Mystery wrote: Could you interpret it for me? I am a little confused in spots. Join the club. Actually, the whole thing confuses me ! Good one, Revolver ! ;DAgreed, revolver. I mean, particular members of a particular other message board comes to mind here when I think about people who claim to hold knowledge and/or documents and/or WHATEVER relating to PID/PWR. It's tough for me to trust people on my internet when they are so reluctant in presenting information and backing it up with such evidence. That said, I have as much of a reason to trust them as I have reason not to trust them, also because I don't know them. So I definitely am always interested in things that are brought up by those who claim to be insiders, so statements like the one at the beginning of this thread are kind of fascinating. Did that make sense? Ish? Yeah, that makes sense CF. The thing is, I have been in this for 5 years now. I'm sick & tired of people beating around the bush. As Sam Kinison would say: SAY IT, SAAAAYYYYYYY IIIIIITTTTT !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;DRedLion posted: Many on these forums are committed to Paul being dead. They cannot fathom a scenario where he might have actually lived on. Yet when observed from this point of view the story makes much more sense. Yes, Paul was replaced, it is obvious. Beyond that it is all speculation. Celebrities die all the time, its not that big a deal. Isn't it odd that Jane Asher, Paul's family, and the entire Beatles entourage went along with this charade? How about George passing without a word about this? He certainly had every opportunity. And why hasnt anyone come forth and said "I saw the body"? Maybe the Beatles werent lying when they said Paul wasnt dead. The right questions were never asked. And for the last forty years this topic hasnt ever been officially addressed. So who is it that would need to STILL be protected? A JPM that died in 1966, or one that is still alive today? ACV is merely rocking the boxes of those who dont like what he has to say because it doesnt "fit" what they think happened. Have you ever really looked into those people's eyes ? George did NOT die in peace. Yeah, there's a reason that noone came forward. There's probably many reasons why noone came forward. When did the Beatles say that Paul wasn't dead ? In the clues, or when they were interviewed after being told ( threatened ) NOT to say anything ? Paul is not alive today. I may not be able to prove it, but I know it for a fact. I find what ACV is doing to be an insult to everyone who has died/suffered because of this conspiracy. It's time for it all to come out. Jesus Christi it's been more than 40 YEARS ! If he does know something, he needs to come out with it & stop playing games. I for one do not find it amusing at all !
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Post by Doc on Aug 15, 2007 17:40:42 GMT -5
Well I don't see you having a go at Jarv with his little ditties or Doc when he tells us of his musings, why go crazy over Apollo? (not that anyone should be having a go at either of the aforementioned!) I think the reason nobody has a go at me and Doc is because neither of us make any claim to know any "inside information" about the Beatles Mystery. On the other hand, people like ACV and IAAP have been overtly "clear" that they know the truth and we don't. I suppose that is what bothers the folks who have expressed themselves here. -j Well, of course. I've never met anyone remotely close to the "inner circle of the Beatles, past, present, or future", save for seeing Ringo Starr walk nearby me around the time of the opening of a nightclub that he owned in Atlanta back in.........was it 1983, 1984? SOmewhere in there, can't quite remember. And of course he passed by quickly and was out of sight in no time, barely enough time for me to pass a certain 4,000 page memo about PID that I have written to him. I wrote the memo in the last 3 years, and subsequently found a gentlemen who said that he could send it back in time to me at that precise moment so that I could indeed hand it on to him. I am sure that I must have done so if the damn thing did indeed make it back in time into my hands. Perhaps Ringo still has it today and has read it cover to cover. It would contain numerous references to things and events that occurred many later later. Of course, I don't remember passing it along; my original memory of NOT having it or passing it has superseded any "replacement memories" of the pass along event. Probably the first time around I merely handed him a cocktail napkin with "Hurray for the Beatles" scribbled across it in lipstick or mascara, obtained from a helpful waitress at the time. Or, it may have said, "I can play hours and hours of pop ballads on the piano-----do you need a pianist here in the club?" or some such pitch for work that I once stopped to in the distant past. (Of course his nightclub was more of a drums/guitar/bass kind of place, but, hey, can't blame me for trying.) I did not realize that "Paul" might have been a worldwide clandestine spy committee at that time. Nor would I have cared or even understood it. And, not being that type to just "hang around and ogle the stars", I remember retreating back across the street to my own job quickly after the "Ringo sighting." I do recall the murmuring at the time of other native Atlantans in the club, charmed and thrilled at Ringo's presence in our little town, saying, "Oh, my God, there he is. Do you see him? Over there. Yes, the short man there. It's Ringo. Is that really an earring? Ohmygod I can't believe it...." It was the cat's meow that he opened a nightclub on International Boulevard in Peachtree Center in lovely, but diffuse, downtown Atlanta. The time machine idea probably failed, and I probably handed him nothing at all. But, that is, to the very best of my memory AND imagination, the only near brush with Beatle-tude I ever had. So, like most people, I am without a single firm, definitive link to the "inside" people in the Beatle story, past, present, or future. I am as removed from it as Hillary Duff is from getting a Grammy. .
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 15, 2007 18:15:53 GMT -5
Doc, you know I wasn't picking you out for anything, in fact, I got some more stuff just waiting for you to lend your musical ear to, but perhaps I'll wait until you really need a good laugh!!!!!
I know Apollo has made references in the past to being an insider, but he also has given us a few insights that have allowed us to explore other clues and possibilities that I for one have enjoyed and believe they have only helped us.
His posts also come so infrequently that even if he was on the wind up every time, it shouldn't matter to anyone of us on a day to day basis. We all have our own opinions. Most here believe PWR, others believe PID, some are just here for the crack.
If you believe that PWR or PID then his comments shouldn't be received with such defence IMO because at the end of the day, we all want closure yet we probably won't ever get it, so let him say what he wants. I for one like his "intrusions", if you believe him to be a kop out, fine, but he keeps the enigma alive.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 15, 2007 18:42:28 GMT -5
PP, you're right of course. I sometimes tend to take things to heart. I have been in this for so long. I can't imagine what it must be like for people like Ringo & Cynthia. I'm sure that they would both breathe a huge sigh of relief, if the truth ever did finally come out.Doc, you've come across yet again. You have such a way with words, with ideas. Have you ever seriously considered becoming a writer ?
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Post by revolver on Aug 15, 2007 20:22:07 GMT -5
Looking at this in an impartial observer kinda way, I find it curious how ACV elicits such strong reactions from so many.. Why? He makes about one post per year at this point, and yet a casual acceptance for so much that is far more incredulous. Many on these forums are committed to Paul being dead. They cannot fathom a scenario where he might have actually lived on. Yet when observed from this point of view the story makes much more sense. Yes, Paul was replaced, it is obvious. Beyond that it is all speculation. Celebrities die all the time, its not that big a deal. Isn't it odd that Jane Asher, Paul's family, and the entire Beatles entourage went along with this charade? How about George passing without a word about this? He certainly had every opportunity. And why hasnt anyone come forth and said "I saw the body"? Maybe the Beatles werent lying when they said Paul wasnt dead. The right questions were never asked. And for the last forty years this topic hasnt ever been officially addressed. So who is it that would need to STILL be protected? A JPM that died in 1966, or one that is still alive today? ACV is merely rocking the boxes of those who dont like what he has to say because it doesnt "fit" what they think happened. I'm completely open to the possibility that Paul was replaced and lived on. I don't see the need for all the riddles and word games. If someone has the inside story, why not spell it out? The internet is pretty close to anonymous, so little would be at risk for the revealer. Most would dismiss it as just another conspiracy theory anyway.
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secondlifer
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Post by secondlifer on Aug 15, 2007 21:39:19 GMT -5
And there's always the unspoken concern that perhaps we're just being played. The internet makes it difficult to know who's for real and who's Knott. Exactly my point. ACV is most likely tryin to jerk us all off. Some of us can tell the difference between an oily HJ and the real thing. a RealInsider ethier speaks the plain truth in the light of day or takes what he knows of other peoples business to the grave. Im more the "to the grave" type myself. ACV is the kind that will say i know something about something, but i wont say it directly. which says to me that he is RPing or just full of shit. its not realy his fault, the anonymity of the internet like the executioner's mask gives some people the ability to do things they would never ever consider doing in person and in the prescence of witnesses. Yall im just tryin to keep it real. I dont know much about this egg hunt, but I do know a few things about early Beatles history. I just try to see what seems like a plauseable logical sequence of events continuing from what i know for sure. And do me a favor and keep the Bible and the Koran out of it. I find this a kind of unconscious intolerance a little bit offensive. I dont beat anybody over the head with the sacred texts of my faith or try to convert, save, rescue, enlighten or otherwise recruit followers of what i am certain is the true path. I appreciate the same courtesy returned.
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Post by Doc on Aug 16, 2007 0:46:31 GMT -5
Doc, you know I wasn't picking you out for anything, in fact, I got some more stuff just waiting for you to lend your musical ear to, but perhaps I'll wait until you really need a good laugh!!!!! I know Apollo has made references in the past to being an insider, but he also has given us a few insights that have allowed us to explore other clues and possibilities that I for one have enjoyed and believe they have only helped us. His posts also come so infrequently that even if he was on the wind up every time, it shouldn't matter to anyone of us on a day to day basis. We all have our own opinions. Most here believe PWR, others believe PID, some are just here for the crack. If you believe that PWR or PID then his comments shouldn't be received with such defence IMO because at the end of the day, we all want closure yet we probably won't ever get it, so let him say what he wants. I for one like his "intrusions", if you believe him to be a kop out, fine, but he keeps the enigma alive. I agree particularly with the last statement, let's keep the enigma alive! There's nothing more disillusioning than a dead enigma, is there? Once the enigma fades or is understood, there is no longer any enigma and who wants to live without a good enigma or two? Having some good enigma is good to have in every person's life-it'ss keep you reaching for more understanding, always deeper, always fuller. One can have "understanding" and "perception" without having all details spoon fed thru a feeding tube. You may pick me out or pick on me or whatever you are led to do, plastic; and I would like to hear your latest recordings, yes, whenever is convenient. Some are here for a shot of PID, some for a hit of PWR, some for the smoky crackpipe of curiosity, I suppose, and still others for the hallucinogenic, trippy acid ways of our beloved forum, NIR. Apollo visits us from time to time I think to pour us all a champaign flute full of the pungent spiked elixir of educated guesses mixed with plausible theories of the fermented kind. Richly aromatic theories aged in the precious vats of memory, second hand knowledge, and maybe even some first hand observation. (!) Every glass he pours is seething in possibility, steeped in insight, pressed by experience and skill, and distilled by time, reflection, and the best that Seagram's has to offer. Whether we sip, gulp, smoke, chew, or snort, cheers to all, and thanks (with 60IF) for the opportunity to experience the last four years looking out at the world in very different ways.........and thanks to Apollo for some of the most different ways, i.e., he must march to the beat of a different drummer.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 16, 2007 6:52:54 GMT -5
Eloquent, as always. However, there are those who need this enigma to be solved so that they can have closure. There are always other interests, other enigmas out there to explore. I think that it would be unfair to Sir Paul's children/grandchildren for him to wait until AFTER his death for the truth to finally come out. It's as if he is passing the buck onto them, as if he is ducking out of the consequences ! Not very nice, I say...
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Post by jarvitronics on Aug 16, 2007 16:39:53 GMT -5
As long as we are talking about Apollo C. Vermouth . . . here is a wordplay I figure must be intentional.
Vermouth is wine that has been infused with herbs and spices.
Apollo C. Vermouth (the Beatle, not the poster) produced Urban Space Man.
Vermouth. Herb 'n' Spice, Man!
-j
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 16, 2007 20:34:38 GMT -5
Kentucky Fried chicken is made with 11 herbs and spices, are we saying this man is Kentucky Fried?
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Post by jarvitronics on Aug 16, 2007 20:38:42 GMT -5
Kentucky Fried chicken is made with 11 herbs and spices, are we saying this man is Kentucky Fried? Bwahahaha! Sweet. On another angle, Vermouth is rev mouth with the rev in reverse, (but I'm sure Sir Paul "reverse mouth" already knows that.) -j
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Post by Doc on Aug 16, 2007 22:28:17 GMT -5
As long as we are talking about Apollo C. Vermouth . . . here is a wordplay I figure must be intentional. Vermouth is wine that has been infused with herbs and spices. Apollo C. Vermouth (the Beatle, not the poster) produced Urban Space Man. Vermouth. Herb 'n' Spice, Man! -j hehehe...nice!
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 18, 2007 18:17:35 GMT -5
Hey we all could use a pet "enigma"...or is it iguana? Or was it eggman? Maybe your enigma is a reptile or mythological clue to something birthed in John Lennon's imagination...
But the bottom line is, we are or have been a Beatle fan or has been influenced by their music in their lifetime. The very idea of PID/PWR is something more than just finding out about some musician...for some of us, we grew up with the Beatles when they were still a band....So this is something that has been part of our cultural makeup. Some of us may have added pounds, extra stretchmarks, wrinkles, dimples, lumps , bumps, aches, pains and scars...maybe we've been around the block so many times we've lost count...
perhaps we have indulged in some strange curiosity as to what really happened to Paul and the Beatles...but we can't help but put in our "two cents worth"...because we think we know what happened because we listened to the music, straightforward, backwards, rewound and listened again...we've isolated, separated the sounds and dissected their music more than most frogs at a high school bio class...
We think that we know what happened from what we perceived the Beatles to be..
We think we know because we've seen their footage, heard the music, even the outtakes... read all of the biographies of people close to the Beatles...
And even if we just briefly passed one of them somewhere down the course of our lives, or perhaps visited the places they lived and played...
we think we know...
And then there is the 60 IF site...when we first came upon that, or the Uberkinder pics, we thought we found something NEW....something startling...and maybe we were shocked, stunned, frightened, saddened, mortified, stupefied, endangered and such, that we think by comparing pics, overlapping, that we know what happened...
Some can't believe Paul was replaced, some believe there is one Faul, some feel there were more than one, but we are all here ..
From all different age groups, income brackets, religious backgrounds, intelligence levels...whatever you can say, the different talents and gifts of the posters here...all bring a flavor of what happened...
It makes the forum interesting, as long as it doesn't get insane like saying Captain Kangaroo was a replacement for Ringo Starr...(which isn't too far from Don Knotts)...but
we all bring our personalities and insights from our life experiences and observations, trying to make sense of it all and taking a little theory from one poster to another...and making one's own take on things, it makes for interesting conversations.
Is there anyone who really knows that occasionally visits? Is there anyone who may be so creative to create these ideas for so long that after time, actually believes what they have perceived to be reality? We don't know.
If someone wants to give riddles, poems or whatever...what does it hurt?
We have to take things with grain of salt...and maybe some pepper....
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Post by openmind on Aug 18, 2007 18:27:36 GMT -5
all i can say is ABSOLUTE PERFECTION
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Post by mommybird on Aug 18, 2007 18:41:12 GMT -5
Agreed. As Johnny would say, "Ain't she sweet ?!" ;D
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 19, 2007 15:13:11 GMT -5
As long as we don't become celebripods-- replacements for celebrities who abandon their previous personalities and lives to undergo massive cosmetic surgeries to look like someone, but undergo "mind games" to take on the personalities, as much as can be possible through artificial means, not being who you once were, but taking on the image of someone else...these pods can be talented, and they can be poor imitations of who they are supposed to be. It all depends on how well they can adapt to their new identity. If they fail, they are taken out of the way until an acceptable celebripod can be created.
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Post by ccinri on Jan 13, 2008 8:57:00 GMT -5
yes Apollo, what a wild 40 year goose chase it's been, all leading to the three parables in LUKE 15? The Parable of the Lost Sheep 1Now the tax collectors and "sinners" were all gathering around to hear him. 2But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4"Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.' 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. The Parable of the Lost Coin 8"Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.' 10In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." The Parable of the Lost Son
11Jesus continued: "There was a man who had two sons. 12The younger one said to his father, 'Father, give me my share of the estate.' So he divided his property between them. 13"Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.
17"When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.' 20So he got up and went to his father. "But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
21"The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.'
22"But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.
25"Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27'Your brother has come,' he replied, 'and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.'
28"The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!'
31" 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' "The favored son...the original James Paul McCartney returns? All Together Now.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 13, 2008 10:52:24 GMT -5
There's no chance of JPM returning, I believe he was murdered in 1966, and he's not coming back!
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Post by B on Feb 26, 2009 19:52:16 GMT -5
bump Once upon a long ago, lived four young lads I'm sure you know. The other three, you know them two. You'll know me better when this is through. Before the band was on the run, A natures child followed the sun. And soon the four became a three, A list of clues for those to see.
A story told in fine detail, To keep the loonies on the trail. A coin, a sheep, a favored son, Were welcomed guest when the day was done. Now, those days are gone, the stories told, In rivers of ash, and urns of gold. A final hint to all of those, Who refuse to see the Emporer's clothes.Apollo C. VermouthMethinks the poem should be pinned, both as a tribute and a possible outline. And surely we could do better with it than we have thus far....
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Post by B on Feb 26, 2009 21:02:59 GMT -5
"You'll know me better when this is through."I think there is more to this statement than may be apparent. There is the possibility that this is a suggestion that "me" is multiple; an individual who is a clone, and who has cloned brothers. For that reason, the "Dear Boy" could still be 'with us', as Apollo had maintained, even if one of 'him' had died. (In fact, I suspect he may have been referring to himself when he made that claim!) And, if we allow for the notion that 'our' Apollo C. Vermouth really was Neil Aspinall, then perhaps BeatlePaul at TKIN may have been right to suggest that Neil was Paul. That is to say: "a Paul" among many (three). Frankly I have never understood how Neil supposedly ended up with Paul's moped scars: Paul McCartney AKA Neil Aspinall SCARSwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi1GQd2m204(Of course, we have to take BeatlePaul's word that those scars are Paul's moped and auto accident scars in the video.) However if Neil is one who may have played the role of Paul at one point, he could have "Paul's" scars. Interesting. Still......I am intrigued. We would expect to know Paul better when 'this is through', I would think; not Neil. So there is a hint here that 'me' is a Paul. And those who have said "Apple" is "A Paul corporation" may have been quite right. Though Neil is no longer with us, it would seem that 'this' hasn't finished itself yet. "The other three, you know them two."I see this as possibly: You know the 2 pauls (Paul & Faul) and Neil (makes 3) of the cloned individual who constitutes or constituted the public image of Paul McCartney. Then, of course, the question is: Who was so determined to have a Paul McCartney live that he/they made sure there were 3 of him, and why? I mean, obviously if there were numerous versions, they wanted to be sure he would survive one way or another. The question is why.
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Post by iameye on Feb 27, 2009 7:28:03 GMT -5
"You'll know me better when this is through."I think there is more to this statement than may be apparent. There is the possibility that this is a suggestion that "me" is multiple; an individual who is a clone, and who has cloned brothers. For that reason, the "Dear Boy" could still be 'with us', as Apollo had maintained, even if one of 'him' had died. (In fact, I suspect he may have been referring to himself when he made that claim!) And, if we allow for the notion that 'our' Apollo C. Vermouth really was Neil Aspinall, then perhaps BeatlePaul at TKIN may have been right to suggest that Neil was Paul. That is to say: "a Paul" among many (three). Frankly I have never understood how Neil supposedly ended up with Paul's moped scars: Paul McCartney AKA Neil Aspinall SCARSwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi1GQd2m204(Of course, we have to take BeatlePaul's word that those scars are Paul's moped and auto accident scars in the video.) However if Neil is one who may have played the role of Paul at one point, he could have "Paul's" scars. Interesting. Still......I am intrigued. We would expect to know Paul better when 'this is through', I would think; not Neil. So there is a hint here that 'me' is a Paul. And those who have said "Apple" is "A Paul corporation" may have been quite right. Though Neil is no longer with us, it would seem that 'this' hasn't finished itself yet. "The other three, you know them two."I see this as possibly: You know the 2 pauls (Paul & Faul) and Neil (makes 3) of the cloned individual who constitutes or constituted the public image of Paul McCartney. Then, of course, the question is: Who was so determined to have a Paul McCartney live that he/they made sure there were 3 of him, and why? I mean, obviously if there were numerous versions, they wanted to be sure he would survive one way or another. The question is why. why = me, myself and I "You'll know me better when this is through." In rivers of ash, and urns of gold. A final hint to all of those, Who refuse to see the Emporer's clothes.the fireman cometh!
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