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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 23, 2004 14:59:44 GMT -5
Please take the time to vote everyone and give the actual time you think Paul died. I know it seems a little difficult but please give it a try.  |
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Post by lj on Jun 23, 2004 15:17:58 GMT -5
i may be saying something that has already been said (sorry if i am) but november 9th was the "original" date of death because the rumor first started in the US, then, they asummed the american system to say dates. but, since the beatles are british (i know,  ) i would go more for 11th of september. or somewhere near that day. |
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Post by JoJo on Jun 23, 2004 20:21:12 GMT -5
Searching the archives here I found the helpful post from Curious which mentions that the Melody Maker awards were held on the weekend prior to the publication date. (Sept 13) She said there was no specific day mentioned, so the awards were held on one day of sept 9-sept11. (fri-sun) Of course there is the very famous drum clue, which I agree, we should go with the British way of expressing dates. That picture at the awards is the latest date of a picture of "that face", the one that to me is Paul.
However there's the "stupid bloody tuesday" and "wednesday's papers didn't come". So maybe the mirror image only worked by making it 9-11, but it happened 2 days later on 9-13. Or perhaps the body was found on tuesday? Maybe tuesday was the day they found out, and had to identify the body. (tuesday afternoon is never ending) Hmm, maybe I change my vote to 9-11..
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Post by Doc on Jun 24, 2004 1:19:30 GMT -5
Makes me suspect that someone played around with the date first, to get a couple of words to hide that point in. Lonely Hearts is one the was found---"Lonely Hearts Clubs" were in British memory, the sentiment tallies so well, and adding" Band" was logical, so I guess the "Sgt. Pepper" came last--probably a nickname they already knew of (?!?!). Which then, means the song would have been written after that point.
I believe in coincidences---but a device using a mirror trick? Someone was thinking like Lewis Carroll to come with it I guess...........perhaps John thought it up. He must have played with a mirror to find it!! There sat John, drenched in smoke, holding a mirror. To most people it was an idea born out of just so much marijuana smoke. No mirror. I don't think that is the case.
Consider:
"...I don't really want to stop the show. (let's save the Beatles)
But there's something that you oughta know. (but we ain't tellin')
The singer's gonna sing his song, (play his part, his role)
and he wants you all to sing along.(play along with this, OK?)
So, let me introduce to you, (something has changed)
...the One and Only Billy Shears...." how about an anagram:
I came up with: "Only he is Lonely Hearts Band." (out of "the one and only Billy Shears".
or: "Lonely Heart Band is One Shy" (with an "l" left over)
It doesn't exactly work, does it? Maybe the pot smoke kept the designer from getting it worked out perfectly......But, still, coincidences appear in the letter choices.
The title and song SEEM to be molded to convey choice ideas, overt and covert. As far as the long curious title to the album, and the hidden mirror message some take as : "1 one IX ^ HE DIE" goes,
I think it WAS a case of smoke and "mirror."
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 24, 2004 8:00:36 GMT -5
Perhaps Paul died in a car wreck on the way home from the Melody Maker awards that night, Sunday, September 11th? Concerning the "Lonely Hearts" mirror print on the drum that spelled out "1 one IX ^ HE DIE", this may sound strange, but I think that clue was unintentional.  |
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Post by Doc on Jun 24, 2004 23:45:08 GMT -5
If it was unintentionial---that is a miracle. Who knows.
Interesting that the clue is in the circle of the bass drum.
Ringo would have been last to see him. And Dusty Springfield, and Tom Jones.
"Please don't be long, or I shall be asleep....."
Where did Ringo go off to the second week of Sept.?
And how is it George was off to India and the Maharishi so quickly?
And he came back in time for those little interviews and so forth. So, they were all back in town by early December to start Sgt. Peppers?
The autumn of '66 is very murky, history wise.
I guess they were mostly all "on holiday."
I'd say they probably needed it.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 25, 2004 8:06:43 GMT -5
I think Ringo went to Amaria, Spain to see John while John was filming "How I won the War" because he was "lonely".  |
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Post by LarryC on Jun 25, 2004 8:16:02 GMT -5
Consider: "...I don't really want to stop the show. (let's save the Beatles) But there's something that you oughta know. (but we ain't tellin') The singer's gonna sing his song, (play his part, his role) and he wants you all to sing along.(play along with this, OK?) So, let me introduce to you, (something has changed) ...the One and Only Billy Shears...." how about an anagram: Interesting analogy, Doc, but I believe you have the lyrics wrong in the second line... I don't really want to stop the show, But I thought that you might like to know, That the singer's going to sing a song, And he wants you all to sing along. So let me introduce to you The one and only Billy Shears And Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Trivial, I know, but the difference in that one line could change the pattern of thought a little bit. Presented THIS way indicates that the singer is VOLUNTEERING information instead of WITHOLDING it...at the very least that the singer wants you to sing along with him when he sings his song ;D |
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Post by Doc on Jun 25, 2004 23:33:05 GMT -5
Actually, Larry, you are correct. I had a "breaking wind of the brain", and butchered the line. Its different in tone and intent, "But I thought you might like to know" is considerate, the kind of language meant to put the listener at ease, like you've got his interests at heart. Of course that's the better line, and no doubt was well meant.
My version was a little curt!
"Well, you OUGHTA know!" like a "know-it-all" might jabber.
Long term memory. Second thing to go.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 28, 2004 8:45:25 GMT -5
If it was unintentionial---that is a miracle. Who knows. Not as much of a miracle as you might think, Doc. Ever heard of reverse speech? (www.reversespeech.com) I bet some of the Beatles' clues were unintentional and were the result of reverse speech. I honestly can't imagine John figuring out that the words 'Lonely Hearts' would equal "1 one IX he ^ die" when putting a mirror through the center of it. That is such a long shot to me. Unless he had connections with Aleister Crowley a la Jimmy Page. How would he know that would equal those words? The 'Lonely Hearts' to me equals the Beatles' lonely hearts as the result of their left-handed bassist dying.  |
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Post by DarkHorse on Oct 14, 2004 12:58:44 GMT -5
Someone just mentioned this on the "other" board but in the Free As A Bird video the date on Eleanor Rigby's grave is Sept 12th. Many of you already know this but I thought I'd bring it up again anyways.
Perhaps we have a scenario where Paul wrecked his car on Sunday, September 11th, died a slow painful death and was dead offically on Monday the 12th and then his body was discovered on Tuesday, September 13th, i.e. Stupid Bloody Tuesday. Seems simple enough...
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 14, 2004 13:24:07 GMT -5
Michelle66...
Writing posts like that. Signs name in lower left.
Hmmm.....
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Post by DarkHorse on Oct 14, 2004 22:48:41 GMT -5
...yes correct! Well anyway, I thought it was a good observation. |
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 15, 2004 11:15:45 GMT -5
You mean...
SHE'S BACK?
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Post by DarkHorse on Oct 15, 2004 16:16:12 GMT -5
Don't know who she is.... |
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