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Post by il ras on Apr 28, 2006 23:55:35 GMT -5
If I'm not wrong Dylan dedicated a song to Lenny Bruce in 1981.
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Post by yellomattercustard on May 1, 2006 16:10:12 GMT -5
If I'm not wrong Dylan dedicated a song to Lenny Bruce in 1981.
You are not wrong my friend. It's on Dylan's much underrated "Shot of Love" album.
I hadn't even thought about Lenny in all of this. Yeah, he's definately someone that the "Powers That Be" wanted to shutup.
Something else of interest is the organization of the First Church of Satan in 66. They actually proclaimed 1966 to be the "Satanic Year One", which somehow seems appropriate, depending on how you look at it.
Keep 'em coming folks, I'm sure there's tons more.
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Post by luvleerita on May 4, 2006 18:29:16 GMT -5
Wasn't both Dylan and Lenny Bruce part of the cast of characters on the Sgt. Pepper Album? Could this be an ecclectic group of misfits, troubled artists, replaced or assassinated people gathered for the funeral of JPM? Not just celebs, but perhaps characters related to the conspiracy?
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Post by beatlies on May 10, 2006 2:28:34 GMT -5
October 1966: Frankenheimer's movie SECONDS is released.
It stars Foris co-star Rock Hudson, later a friend of John Lennon and Yoko Ono.
Foris-Melcher-Manson-Beatles-Linked-Beach Boy Brian Wilson's nervous breakdown is said to have been triggered by his viewing the movie in a theater, specifically by hearing the line "good morning Mr. Wilson."
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Post by luvleerita on May 10, 2006 21:53:05 GMT -5
Whilst this is happening in one part of the rock and roll world, in other parts of the spectrum a few bands were working and trying to get discovered by this time, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. Not being famous until the following year, but victims of success, and of the system as well. So they were "works in progress" at this time in history.
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Post by eyesbleed on May 11, 2006 6:48:24 GMT -5
Foris-Melcher-Manson-Beatles-Linked-Beach Boy Brian Wilson's nervous breakdown is said to have been triggered by his viewing the movie in a theater, specifically by hearing the line "good morning Mr. Wilson." Mr.Wilsons nervous breakdown was brought on by so much more than viewin' a movie... I'm not sure where to start. With all the excellent drugs & the fact that his numbskull band & record company resisted any sign of change or progress right at the time when Brian was tryin' to produce a milestone work of art that was like nothing ever heard before. The damn thing gets a proper release 37yrs LATE & it's still a masterpiece ahead of it's time..... so I don't wanna hear about how watchin' a movie may have triggered his breakdown. Creating a masterwork like Smile & having yer entire support system bail on ya because nobody understands what yer doin'... now that's nervous breakdown material. I would question the source that sez watchin' a movie triggered it....
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Post by beatlies on May 11, 2006 10:59:52 GMT -5
Yes eyesbleed, I agree with you about Wilson's breakdown having deeper causes, but that's an interesting legend about his reaction to Seconds, and it did cause him to become severely upset, no doubt because he saw the insider winks and references to the shadow government doubles and imposters game in which he was immersed.
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Post by revolver on May 11, 2006 12:18:10 GMT -5
I think by "trigger" they meant the event that immediately preceded the breakdown. He may have been right on the edge of a breakdown right before seeing the movie. Any stressful event could have acted as the trigger at that point. I'm sure the causes of the breakdown were many months or years in the making.
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Post by TotalInformation on May 11, 2006 13:20:08 GMT -5
His breakdown was in April 1967, six months after the film was released AND THE SAME WEEK FAUL WAS VISITING WITH THE PEPPER TAPES. Hasn't that been covered several times already on this forum? Sheesh.
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Post by eyesbleed on May 11, 2006 14:17:38 GMT -5
It's a shame Brian was so insecure about Smile. I guess it's no surprise considerin' all the resistance he encountered from all sides. But I'm one of those who considers Sgt.P to be one of the most overrated records ever & I think Smile woulda surpassed Pepper at the time if he had've just ignored everybody & followed thru. (imo)Smile wipes the floor with Pepper. Sometimes it angers me a little to think about how the Smile project was abandonded back then, but at the same time, I think I can understand why.
I've only seen one clip of Macca at Brians B-day party... I'm guessin' this was the same trip that Totals referrin' to. It was on a Beach Boys documentary... the name of which I've forgotten.. Anybody have any pics of Macca & Brian that year?
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Post by il ras on May 11, 2006 18:09:14 GMT -5
October 1966: Frankenheimer's movie SECONDS is released. It stars Foris co-star Rock Hudson, later a friend of John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Foris-Melcher-Manson-Beatles-Linked-Beach Boy Brian Wilson's nervous breakdown is said to have been triggered by his viewing the movie in a theater, specifically by hearing the line "good morning Mr. Wilson." Let me make this link: another film directed by Frankenheimer, "the Manchurian candidate" is said to have been the trigger for Oswald to make him shot JFK. Quite strange, no?
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Post by TotalInformation on May 11, 2006 18:43:55 GMT -5
Strange in that Oswld didn't shoot anyone at Dealey Plaza...
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Post by luvleerita on May 11, 2006 20:30:54 GMT -5
Regarding Brian Wilson, from what I understand, or unless that was misinformation as well, that he had a troubled childhood. That with the drugs could have been a deadly combination. Wasn't Dennis Wilson buddies with Manson? And isn't it peculiar that Dennis wilson, a surfer and swimmer drowned in a boating accident?
Much like the strange death of Natalie Wood. But that's another story.
I'm not really a Beach Boys fan, so I cannot praise their work.
As for Oswalt, the death bullet that got JFK was not from the direction of the Book Depository. Many witnesses said there was another shot coming from the grassy knoll. And there has been talk that it was on a Masonic site that JFK was assassinated. I even came upon a site that tried to disprove that. But when someone really tries to disprove it, makes me think it's most likely to be true. I call it thinking against the flow. If the news tells us one thing, makes me think that the truth is the opposite.
And speaking of replacements and stand ins...wasn't there talk of Oswald having a double?
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Post by eyesbleed on May 11, 2006 21:36:54 GMT -5
Regarding Brian Wilson, from what I understand, or unless that was misinformation as well, that he had a troubled childhood. That with the drugs could have been a deadly combination. Wasn't Dennis Wilson buddies with Manson? And isn't it peculiar that Dennis wilson, a surfer and swimmer drowned in a boating accident? Brian just had a very controlling, strict dad..... who beat those kids regularly.... he kinda got carried away with the disipline. It's said that Brian lost some hearing in one ear coz his dad popped him up side the head. But other than that, it was a regular upper-middle class suburban existance. Dennis may have been a surfer, but those last few years he stayed totally screwed up all the time & it got really bad. So Dennis bein' so messed up that he would dive in & accidentally drown seems about right. Not hard to believe at all considerin' the shape he was in.
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Post by Doc on May 12, 2006 0:01:38 GMT -5
Foris-Melcher-Manson-Beatles-Linked-Beach Boy Brian Wilson's nervous breakdown is said to have been triggered by his viewing the movie in a theater, specifically by hearing the line "good morning Mr. Wilson." Mr.Wilsons nervous breakdown was brought on by so much more than viewin' a movie... I'm not sure where to start. With all the excellent drugs & the fact that his numbskull band & record company resisted any sign of change or progress right at the time when Brian was tryin' to produce a milestone work of art that was like nothing ever heard before. The damn thing gets a proper release 37yrs LATE & it's still a masterpiece ahead of it's time..... so I don't wanna hear about how watchin' a movie may have triggered his breakdown. Creating a masterwork like Smile & having yer entire support system bail on ya because nobody understands what yer doin'... now that's nervous breakdown material. I would question the source that sez watchin' a movie triggered it.... Mr. Wilson has many admirers and devotees. Their appreciation for his sizable contributions to music eclipse any notion of the troubled times he once had. (Hey, but it is certainly appropriate for us to discuss here in regards to the big picture.) Here is a website of a musical colleage and acquaintance of mine in Atlanta, a very fine pianist/singer/musician in his own write, Jez Graham. Jez played a tribute of some Brian Wilson music on solo piano for us one evening. I was profoundly moved by his interpretations. Anyway, here is a page where he discusses at length, (and some is in technical music jargon) his musical explorations of Brians' creativity. www.members.tripod.com/earcandy_mag/rrcase-jazzwilson.htm
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Post by il ras on May 19, 2006 9:23:44 GMT -5
Strange in that Oswld didn't shoot anyone at Dealey Plaza... agree. Let's say he was triggered and went in that building with a rifle, ok? TI, the thing I wanted to put in evidence was that Frankenheimer could be involved in the triggering of two different people with two different movies. I think he could have played an important role in all this. Wasn't he with Bob Kennedy when he was killed?
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Post by TotalInformation on May 19, 2006 9:33:07 GMT -5
FAUL triggered B Wilson's breakdown NOT Frankenheimer. And Oswald never had a breakdown.
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Post by il ras on May 19, 2006 9:57:03 GMT -5
Who decided that a triggered one must have a breakdown?
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Post by lili on May 19, 2006 10:29:53 GMT -5
T.I., could you please tell us how FAUL triggered Mr. Wilson's breakdown ? Did he utter a predetermined trigger word ? I would really appreciate it if you could tell us a little more about this.
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Post by TotalInformation on May 19, 2006 12:17:55 GMT -5
By existing.
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Post by lili on May 19, 2006 12:57:28 GMT -5
Are you saying that Brian Wilson found out about Paul's death/replacement & it sent him over the edge ? Why would that happen ? Was he frightened by the implications ?
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Post by TotalInformation on May 19, 2006 13:33:13 GMT -5
Please read all posts.
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Post by DarkHorse on May 19, 2006 14:53:43 GMT -5
I remember seeing footage of one of Brian's birthday parties from the late 60's/early70's and there was Bill smoking a cigarette with Linda sitting next to him.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 1, 2006 19:20:05 GMT -5
Does anyone have that Sept 66 picture of John looking glum in Paris?
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Post by lili on Jun 2, 2006 7:58:40 GMT -5
Is it the photo of him with Feil on the bus ? I have it somewhere, I'll look for it when I get a minute.
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