That Sept-Nov. 66 time period

[yellomattercustard]

It seems to me that this time period was a very stressful time for Rock and Roll. Neverminding PID/PWR, we also have the birth the Jimi Hendrix phenomenon covered elsewhere. Also there's the beginning of Pink Floyd's leader, Syd Barrett's breakdown, the firing of Jeff Beck from the Yardbirds, Eric Clapton's teaming up with Ginger Baker, and Jack Bruce to form Cream........

If you want to get more far reaching, there's Anton LaVey's organizing the First Church of Satan in 66, but I'm not sure of what month that happened.

Wasn't Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys slipping about that time? Then there Charles Manson, who was also tied in with both the Beach Boys AND Anton LaVey's group.

What in the world was going on in 66 to cause so much drama in the music world???

Can anyone think of anything else that I may have left out? I'm sure there's lots more.

And how do you think all of this ties in with PID/PWR?

I'm fairly certain about PID. I'm absolutely POSITIVE about PWR. But now it seems to me that whatever happened with Paul was just one isolated incident in the midst of a LOT of turmoil in the music scene.

[DarkHorse]

Let me add, on a smaller note, Mia Farrow left her hit show and then supposedly married Frank Sinatra and looked VERY different, like a totally different person.

[LOVELYRITA]

A quick google search I found about a low budget movie about Hitler's England, Bob Dylan touring, Lennon's remarks about Christianity and press conference about that matter in 8-11-1966.

But that was a quick search...

[yellomattercustard]

AHA! Thanks LovelyRita!

Bob Dylan gets booed a lot for going electric, and eventually gets mangled on a motorcycle and put out of business for several months, while hiding out in Woodstock, NY. I'm not sure of the date of his accident. I'll have to look it up. I'm sure that it was in 66 though.

Edited to add:

OK, it was July 29, 1966 according to this article. Has anyone said anything about the possibility of Dylan having been replaced?

music.yahoo.com/ar-312874-bio--Bob-Dylan

[Paul Bearer]

Has anyone said anything about the possibility of Dylan having been replaced?

I definitely know of someone who espoused that theory but it hasn't really been explored in any detail...YET! ;D

The person who told this said he felt the illuminati liked replacing musicians who sung about romantic love and replacing them with ones who were more negative about life.

[LOVELYRITA]

Bob Dylan started out singing about romantic love? THat must have been before I could remember him. My oldest brother was into Dylan in the 1960's. Alot of what influenced my musical tastes were because of my brother.

Bob Dylan replaced.....It would not surprise me because of his influence. I will have to look into this further.

I need to see some recent pics along side some old,old ones. If someone could do some side by side it would be great. I tried to google, but all I could find were books or other items, not really good pictures.

Bob Dylan influenced some of the Beatles' music like "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" and Lennon mentioned "Dylan's Mr. Jones" in "Yer Blues".
I don't recall what Mr. Jones was about, if someone could find lyrics.

Dylan was also linked with the Beatles in the Masked Marauders album.

Dylan played with Harrison in the Concert for Bangladesh.

Dylan played with Harrison and Roy Orbison and Jeff Lynn in the Travelling Wilburys.

Dylan was an influence on Jimi Hendrix, although I don't know if Hendrix and Dylan ever jammed. Hendrix did "All Along the Watchtower" and on bootlegs I've heard him play"Like a Rolling Stone".

Just off the top of my head from memory, scratching for the Dylan/Beatles connection.

In the Rutles, he introduced the Rutles to "tea".

What did he influence in the real Bealtes? Hmmmm

[beatlies]

Joan Baez is COINTELPRO; her father was a Harvard and Cornell professor and a top Pentagon nuclear weapons expert. By the early 1980s she had come out of the closet with her (and her handlers') real political views and began singing right wing songs of praise to Reagan's foreign policy. Her major hit was a song praising the Confederacy. Baez attached herself to Dylan like a leech and by the mid-1960s he had been mutated from a Woody Guthrie protege, earnest protest singer to a drug addicted, drug-glorifying, politically apathetic surrealist. See Baez' coded clues song "Play Me Backwards" ---not what you expect from a folk singer!

A promising young novelist and Dylanesque folk singer, and friend of novelist/reporter/CIA/Pentagon agent Thomas Pynchon, named Richard Farina, married Joan Baez' COINTELPRO sister Mimi, and Farina also had a motorcycle accident in 1966, in Carmel, California, that killed him.

Pynchon's and Farina's writing styles are very much alike, another strange case of doubling.

It looks like Joan Baez was raised in the Sgt. Pepper cover ---


Play Me Backwards

You don't have to play me backwards
To get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to die and go to hell
To feel the devil's curse

Well I thought my life was a photograph
On the family Christmas card
Kids all dressed in buttons and bows
And lined up in the yard
Were the golden days of childhood
So lyrical and warm
Or did the picture start to fade
On the day that I was born

I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama, I'm cold as ice!
And I got no place to run

Let the night begin there's a pop of skin
And the sudden rush of scarlet
There's a little boy riding on a goat's head
And a little girl playing the harlot
There's a sacrifice in an empty church
Of sweet li'l baby Rose
And a man in a mask from Mexico
Is peeling off my clothes

I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama, I'm cold as ice!
And I got no place to run

So I'm paying for protection
Smoking out the truth
Chasing recollections
Nailing down the proof

You don't have to play me backwards
To get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to die and go to hell
To feel the devil's curse
I'll stand before your altar
And tell everything I know
I've come to claim my childhood
At the chapel of baby Rose

I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum
I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum

[LOVELYRITA]

Well done Beatlies....as I was googling, I did find a hit with a "woman's" site and it was about Joan Baez with a pic of Dylan...march on Washinginton 1963

womenshistory.about.com/library/pic/bl_p_baez1.htm

I had to make a correction on my link, without the "1" after baez... you get a link to another part of that site and find about a female who became Pharoah....which I've seen documentaries about that, but we are looking at Joan Baez not a female pharoah...

[noodles]

The Illuminati seem to rather like us listening to romantic love songs. The pump enough out at us. Certainly Dylan got more romantic as time went by. The July '66 motorbike accident is certainly interesting. He disappeared for about 18 months and when he returned his voice had totally changed. This was explained away as being a reult of the accident and that may be true. I haven't done much investigating but so far I've nothing in his appearence to suggest a switch.

I figured it was more likely Baez is a programmed multiple rather than a knowing agent.

[TotalInformation]

Yeah, the romantic silly love songs "they" don't mind, it's the political/philosophical ones.

The Baez song on this thread certainly seems to indicate she was subject to Satanic type mind control rituals as a child.

[LOVELYRITA]

Yes, it sounds like she was a monarch slave.

[Paul Bearer]

lovelyrita said:

Bob Dylan started out singing about romantic love? THat must have been before I could remember him. My oldest brother was into Dylan in the 1960's. Alot of what influenced my musical tastes were because of my brother.

That was a genral comment he made and so I don't think he was specifically talking about Dylan there. But its more the idea that anyone who doesn't go along with the establishment. Dylan started off as a folk song writer who was almost like a prophet in his lyrics, asking questions which the establishment doesn't want you to ask, songs that make you question life but not hate it. The establshment want to to ultimately hate life.

[beatlies]

Here is a video of Bob Dylan playing that was broadcast on TV on June 7, 1969.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AugHCCQUh8k&search=Bob%20Dylan

Here is his well-known D.A. Pennebaker documntary video filmed in London in 1965 ---

www.zippyvideos.com/9169964291388966/bob_dylan_-_subterranean_homesick_blues/

[yellomattercustard]

I don't know if Bobby was replaced so much as he was "wised up". After his second album "Freewheeling", which features plenty of protest songs, and some personal songs of love (his affair with Suze Rotolo being the subject matter), his third album turned the tables in favor of his personal songs, and not as much protest. This seriously alarmed the folk crowd, and by the time of "Another Side of Bob Dylan" his critics had deemed him a traitor for leaving protest behind. His next step was electric, and rock and roll. Not a bad thing IMO, but certainly not the same Bob from the protest days.

I think that sometime after his second album, someone pulled him aside and gave him a talkin' to.

[Paul Bearer]

Perhaps even a violent talking to.

[noodles]

I'm sketchy on the details and the details sem to vary a little depending what you read but Dylan was on some TV show not long before 'Freewheelin' was due out and he perfromed a bunch of songs that where a little too political and caused a fuss which resulted in CBS removing four songs from that album. In house promo copies had already been pressed up and when a stereo copy of this album with the four extra tracks turned up in New York around about fifteen years ago it sold for the largest amount any record had ever sold for that that time. The second largest amount a record had sold for was the mono copy of this version of 'Freewheelin'.

[TotalInformation]

Have those Dylan songs been issued in another format?

[noodles]

They finally got a proper release in the early 1990s on the first of the 'Bootleg Series'. 'Talkin John Birch Paranoid Blues' is one of the tracks. Not sure of the others but it shouldn't be too hard to find out.

[beatlies]

The CIA agent Joan Baez was some kind of Monarch military-intelligence child slave; interesting that her major hit song was a song praising the Confederate Slaveocracy "The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down." Bob Dylan was trapped in a COINTELPRO snakepit.

The Yippies were another government-run, drug-pushing COINTELPRO group, although most of its members were probably not agents, just useful idiots thinking they were part of a fun, genuine group of activists. One of these who is probably not an agent is AJ Weberman, who just wrote a book on Dylan, was a person friend of John Lennon and Yoko Ono when they lived in NYC on Bank Street, and interviewed Dylan in the 1970s. I found some information on this book:

The Answers My Friend, Are Written in This Book
By COLIN MOYNIHAN
A. J. Weberman stood near Bleecker and Elizabeth Streets recently, telling the story of how Bob Dylan got mad at him. It was the spring of 1972, according to Mr. Weberman, when Mr. Dylan grabbed him and shoved him angrily before riding off on a bicycle.

For years, Mr. Weberman had been rooting around in Mr. Dylan's trash, looking for insight into the songwriter's sometimes oblique lyrics. He had promised to stop the snooping, but had been visiting the trash cans again, he said, incurring Mr. Dylan's displeasure. "I deserved it," Mr. Weberman said the other day. "I don't hold it against him."

The anecdote, to whatever degree accurate or apocryphal, provides a prism through which to view two main themes in the life of A. J. Weberman, 61, a Yippie, author and longtime "Dylanologist," who also helped to popularize the practice of garbology, or searching through trash for journalistic clues.

In November, Mr. Weberman's new book, "Dylan to English Dictionary," was published by the Yippie Museum Press, with an initial print run of 1,000 copies. In the 536-page book, he seeks to analyze the metaphorical and allegorical language used by Bob Dylan.

"All these years I've been looking for some kind of code sheet," he said. "I'm looking for a Rosetta stone to understand Dylan."

Mr. Weberman said that he spent two years cataloguing Mr. Dylan's lyrics and identifying consistent ways in which the songwriter uses words, then applying those ideas to interpret songs. For instance, "As I Went Out This Morning," which was released in 1967, opens with the lines: "As I went out this morning/To breathe the air around Tom Paine's/I spied the fairest damsel/That ever did walk in chains." Mr. Weberman contends that the lines describe Mr. Dylan's experience in 1964 of receiving an award named after Tom Paine and feeling politically exploited.

Once in a while, Mr. Weberman sees himself in Mr. Dylan's words. He wrote that "Where Are You Tonight?" released in 1978 - which includes lines like "There's a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze, laughter down on Elizabeth Street," and much later in the song, "It felt outa place, my foot in his face, but he should-a stayed where his money was green" - was a reference to the 1972 encounter.

Of course, it is impossible to know for sure. Mr. Dylan did not respond to a request for comment made through his record company.

For more than 40 years, Mr. Weberman has been a gadfly and obsessive questioner. He has written two other books, "Coup D' État in America (The Third Press, 1974), in which he and a co-author, Michael Canfield, speculated about the murder of John F. Kennedy; and "My Life in Garbology" (Stonehill, 1980), in which he described looking through trash belonging to public figures, like J. Edgar Hoover and former Attorney General John Mitchell.

But Mr. Weberman's most enduring fascination is with Mr. Dylan. In 1969, Mr. Weberman said, he used a computer at a university to cross-reference all the words used by Mr. Dylan. The resulting printout, which he called the Bob Dylan Word Concordance, was one foot high, he said.

Mr. Weberman met Mr. Dylan that year, he said, and hung out with him off and on until the relationship soured in 1971, when Mr. Weberman and other Yippies marked the songwriter's 30th birthday by holding a demonstration outside his West Village home. They wanted him to spearhead the movement against the war in Vietnam, even though Mr. Dylan had already made it clear that he did not wish to be a spokesman.

Howard Sounes, the author of "Down the Highway: The Life of Bob Dylan" (Grove Press. 2001), said that at one point Mr. Dylan tried to befriend Mr. Weberman to try to get him to leave him alone, but stopped because he was alarmed by Mr. Weberman's behavior.

"He sort of pursued Dylan as a stalker," Mr. Sounes said. "He was the most unpleasant and notorious of all Dylan's obsessive fans." All the while, Mr. Weberman sifted through items discarded by Mr. Dylan. In November 1971, Esquire magazine published a story by Mr. Weberman in which he described going through Mr. Dylan's garbage. Mr. Weberman, who grew up in Brooklyn and now lives on the Upper East Side, began his dictionary in February 2001 while he was beginning a sentence of a year and a day for money laundering connected to the sale of marijuana. Some evidence in the case was found by federal agents who went through his trash.

"The garbologer was garbologized," "Mr. Weberman said. "I was hoisted on my own petard."

His current book is the first to be published by the Yippie Museum Press. This summer the press will publish a second book, called "The Pie and the Mighty," by Aron Kay, a Yippie known for flinging pies at elected officials like Jerry Brown, the former California governor, and James L. Buckley, the former New York senator.

Mr. Weberman said that he did not expect widespread endorsement of his book - certainly not from Mr. Dylan - but insisted that the songwriter should be grateful that he was around.

"I'm like Verlaine to Dylan's Rimbaud," he said. "There's a natural tension between the poet and his critic."

FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES Monday January 16, 2006
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AJ AND THE DYLAN MYTH
A.J. Weberman invented Garbology, the study of famous people’s garbage, as a spinoff of Dylanology. Weberman formed the Dylan Liberation Front to free Dylan from heroin addiction and Dylan jumped & bitch slapped him up on Elizabeth Street in Manhattan in the early 1970’s after Dylan’s wife stumbled upon Weberman riffling through her trash. Dylan viewed his attack as the “laughter down on Elizabeth Street / And a lonesome bell tone in that valley of stone / where [he] bathed in a stream of pure heat” (Where Are You Tonight, 1978). A few other Dylan poems deal with the AJ-Dylan relationship that lasted until A.J. had a 30th Birthday Party for Dylan outside his Greenwich Village townhouse. A picture of this never duplicated demonstration can be seen below.



A.J. is featured on Joel Gilbert’s DVD Bob Dylan World Tours 1966 to 1974, and appears on Gilbert’s The Gospel Years. Chromedreams in the UK released Weberman’s legendary telephone conversations with Dylan. Rolling Stone Books will soon publish an interview Weberman did with Dylan. Weberman is featured in Mark Jacobson's book, Teenage Hipster in the Modern World. An independent film company in the UK is currently putting together The Ballad of AJ Weberman and LUMANITY PRODUCTIONS is completing a film entitled DYLANOLOGY. AJ is the author of My Life In Garbology (Stonehill Press, 1980) and Coup D’Etat In America: The CIA and the Assassination of JFK (The Third Press, 1975, Quick Publishing Co 1992). The latter book is in its fourth edition and also available from amazon.com as is The Dylan To English Dictionary. ‘Years from now all these people, all these assholes, are going to be writing about all the shit I write...and what it means…’” (Dylan as quoted by Joan Baez in No Direction Home ) A Dylan Written Word Data Base is available at Dylanology as is a complete Lyric Data Base



The Yippie! Museum (photo above) and The Yippie! Museum Press are dedicated to preserving the works and artifacts of the leaders and members of the Youth International Party, a loose-knit organization founded in 1968 by [CIA] Abbie Hoffman, [CIA] Jerry Rubin, [CIA]Paul Krassner, Stew Alpert and others. Dana Beal, an organizer for Cures-Not-Wars, serves as Curator and the Board Members include: William Prop of WBAI radio, John Sinclair [Lennon wrote a song about him] , former Prisoner Of Weed (POW) and founder of the White Panther Party, Stewart Albert, founding member of the Yippies! and Vietnam Day Committee, [CIA] Paul DeRienzo, radio journalist, Steve Conliff, historian of Native American History, poet and musician David Peel and several other surviving political activists.

[TotalInformation]

I wonder if there's a "Mr Jones" somewhere in the four censored songs of Dylan.

[revolver]

From Dylan's Ballad Of A Thin Man:

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

That's probably what Lennon was referring to.

[beatlies]

From "The Konformist":

Richard Farina: Married Mimi Baez, sister of Joan Baez - to the national security state born. Joan Baez wrote in her autobiography, And a Voice to Sing With (Signet, 1987), that when she was a young girl, "most of the bright young Stanford scientists went off to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where the atomic bomb was being developed. My father recognized the potential destructive power of the unleashed atom even in those early days. So he took a job as a research physicist at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York." Cornell was the home base of the CIA's mind control experiments, and Joan Baez is a self-described survivor of ritual child abuse, which employs a form of mind control, trauma-based programming, a technique perfected by the CIA.

"Soon my father was invited to become Head of Operations Research at Cornell. Exactly what the job entailed was classified information, but he was offered a three-week cruise on an aircraft carrier as an introduction to the project and promised a huge salary. As it turned out, he would be overseeing Project Portrex, a vast amphibious exercise which among other things involved testing fighter jets, then a relatively new phenomenon. Millions of dollars would be poured into the project, about which he was to know little and say less." Farina, who had married into a CIA family, was killed in a motorcycle crash. According to the sleeve of his last record, "Goldwater was about to win the California primary and the skies were somewhat uneasy."

Jimi Hendrix: From the Sunday Telegraph, December 12, 1993: "The former girlfriend of Jimi Hendrix, the rock guitarist, spoke for the first time yesterday about how she has succeeded in reopening the investigation into his drug-related death 23 years ago.

"Kathy Etchingham has spent the past three years - almost as long as she was Hendrix's live-in lover - investigating the circumstances surrounding the star's death. A 34-page dossier she sent to Sir Nicholas Lyell, the attorney-general, has prompted Scotland Yard to reopen the case and may lead to a new inquest. In it she pointed to alleged inconsistencies in statements given by Monika Dannemann, a German blonde who was Hendrix's girlfriend at the time of his death.... The police will examine whether there was any delay in calling an ambulance for Hendrix....

"Etchingham, 46, now married and a mother of two, said: At the time of his death I didn't doubt what I was told. But then I began reading the biographies and seeing interviews and I could see gaping holes."

Mama Cass Elliott: Count in her entourage at the time of her death one Bill Mentzer, since convicted for the murder of fledgling Hollywood producer Roy Radin. Mentzer was convicted with an accomplice, Alex Marti, former leader of an Argentine death squad, to life in prison. Cass had recently finished two weeks at the London Palladium. The coroner's report was not conclusive. She "probably choked to death," but there was "a possibility of heart attack."

Bob Marley: After the last performance of Bob Marley and the Wailers in America, at Madison Square Garden, Marley took seriously ill. Three years before, in London, the singer had injured a toe in a football match. The toe was found to be cancerous, and Marley was treated in Miami, Florida with no success. By 1980, the growth had infected his entire body. He struggled with the disease for eight months at the clinic of Dr. Joseph Issels in Bavaria. Dr. Issels' brand of alternative medicine was non-toxic. For a brief time Bob's condition appeared to stabilize. Eventually, however, the battle proved too much. He died in a Miami hospital on Monday May 11, 1981. Excerpt of an interview with Lew Lee, a documentary filmmaker (the Oscar-winning Panama Deception and All Power to the People, an examination of the FBI's COINTELPRO excesses), conducted on October 30, 1997 .................

[LOVELYRITA]

Interesting, that in the lives of these now dead rock stars, how certain people were placed into their lives, like the german girlfriend of Jimi Hendrix....These "friends" come in and do some damge of these lives....and is there any question to the part these people played into the downward spiral of the different individuals mentioned?

Illuminati plants to destroy these people? Imagine that....

I can't remember the author of the book, or the title of it, but one of the biographies of the Beatles had written about John Lennon having a fling with Joan Baez......coincidence......? I think not......she was probably lurking about for some deviate reasoning....

[plastic paul]

That reminds me of the "mate" of Brian Jones who was left with him in the swimming pool at his home on the night he died, whilst the others went inside, who were known to have "physical arguments" with each other fairly often, who didn't notice Brian had died....hmmm....

[LOVELYRITA]

Or like Jim Morrison, the only one who saw him last was his doped up girlfriend Pam. By the time anyone from the "Doors" arrived in Paris, there was a sealed coffin and a death certificate and a drugged up Pam....Why is it that these stars have passed into oblivion with little or nobody around them? Coincidence?