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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 2, 2004 16:43:23 GMT -5
FP used a special brush for the beard, did other stuff for the part in the hair. That's the same guy.
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Post by Doc on Nov 2, 2004 17:30:07 GMT -5
Yes it is.
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Post by Girl on Nov 2, 2004 17:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 2, 2004 17:37:34 GMT -5
WHAT? We're not comparing the beards, we're comparing the other features that are NOT drawn.
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 17:48:03 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 2, 2004 18:26:52 GMT -5
You guys just don't give up do ya? So... they appear to look alike in those pics.....so what?
That doesn't address the hundreds of pics that obviously show a different guy.
That doesn't address the obvious differences in singing voices.
That doesn't address the different bodies attached to those heads.
That doesn't address the difference in songwriting styles, or general mannerisms.
So I fail to see what yer tryin' to prove. JPM was replaced.... whether you like it or not.
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 19:05:25 GMT -5
That doesn't address the hundreds of pics that obviously show a different guy. Can I see those pics you're talking about? But they have to be at the same angle.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 2, 2004 19:32:00 GMT -5
FP used a special brush for the beard, did other stuff for the part in the hair. That's the same guy. Good drawing Bug. But I still see two different people eventhough they look similar in this pic. They would have to to pull this off for so long. The distance between the eyes and the place at where the eyes are set on the face is different. JP's eyes are wider apart and they are set lower on his face in relation to his nose. Plus the overall shape of the head is different, one is round and the other is long, which is THE difference you really can't make up for. The similarities are the result of good plastic surgery. ;D
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 19:44:54 GMT -5
Good drawing Bug. But I still see two different people eventhough they look similar in this pic. They would have to to pull this off for so long. The distance between the eyes and the place at where the eyes are set on the face is different. JP's eyes are wider apart and they are set lower on his face in relation to his nose. Plus the overall shape of the head is different, one is round and the other is long, which is THE difference you really can't make up for. The similarities can be the result of good plastic surgery. 1) Did you even read what he said, or were you just looking at the pics? "FP used a special brush for the beard, did other stuff for the part in the hair." 2) My fade (3 posts above yours) proved what you said wrong. The head shape stays the same, along with the eye distance.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 2, 2004 19:50:46 GMT -5
1) Did you even read what he said, or were you just looking at the pics? "FP used a special brush for the beard, did other stuff for the part in the hair." Yes I did. Why do you always ask me that? Is it because I don't agree with you? Your fade doesn't prove anything. The head shapes ARE different. Anyone with a pair of eyes can tell the difference.
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 20:04:34 GMT -5
Yes I did. Why do you always ask me that? Is it because I don't agree with you? Your fade doesn't prove anything. The head shapes ARE different. Anyone with a pair of eyes can tell the difference. 1) What? You said: "Good drawing Bug. " When he said I made it. 2) Tell me what doesn't match up in my fade.
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Post by pennylane on Nov 2, 2004 20:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by revolver on Nov 2, 2004 20:27:28 GMT -5
Must be a full moon. Paul's turned into a werewolf! Resemblance, yes. Same guy, not (IMO).
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 20:38:31 GMT -5
Those look like two different people. But I've shown that SK's (and Uberkinder's) comparisons weren't reliable, and those aren't from the same angle. How about the same angle AND expression? Edit: Not the exact same angle, but a closer expression, and just a better a comparison in general: img21.exs.cx/img21/4350/fade13856.gif
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 2, 2004 22:00:59 GMT -5
1) What? You said: "Good drawing Bug. " When he said I made it. Okay, sorry. Good drawing FP.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 2, 2004 22:03:41 GMT -5
This looks more like an argument for PWR, are you sure this is what you want as a supporting argument?? Dude, I get dizzy looking at this, it's so off...
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 22:11:24 GMT -5
No worries DH. This looks more like an argument for PWR, are you sure this is what you want as a supporting argument?? Dude, I get dizzy looking at this, it's so off... It's not supposed to match 100%. The angle is off. I just did that because it's a better comparison than what Penny Lane posted. The expression is closer. And DH, you still didn't tell me what's wrong with that fade.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 2, 2004 22:19:10 GMT -5
And DH, you still didn't tell me what's wrong with that fade. Well the size of the pupils for one(Paul's are bigger in this fade) tells me that the method for making Paul match up with Faul is to make Paul's head bigger in proportion(as I've said a million times) and get just the right angle so that most of the features match up. Still all features do not match up.;D But good work though.
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 22:28:35 GMT -5
Well the size of the pupils for one(Paul's are bigger in this fade) tells me that the method for making Paul match up with Faul is to make Paul's head bigger in proportion(as I've said a million times) and get just the right angle so that most of the features match up. Still all features do not match up.;D But good work though. Thanks...? ;D You don't match it up by the pupils. Highness can change that. ;D You always match it up by the eyes. I didn't purposely "make Paul's head bigger in proportion". It just fell into place that way, like it always does when I make a fade with the pictures at the same angle.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 2, 2004 23:00:54 GMT -5
I think you are waiting for DarkHorse, but in the interim consider this. (you're gonna have to put up with me) You may not be aware of this, but you have presented a fade between two different people. And well done, thanks. Wow, imagine that! But what about a fade between the same person, the same picture, just that one was published in 1964, and one was published in 2002. When I first made this post way back, I postulated that this was proof of photo doctoring, that photos published in the present day have subliminally been altered to present a JPM with a longer face to reinforce the idea that this is a normal state of affairs for the man we presently say is JPM. Fast forward to today, i don't much care for fades, from either side. And I'm of the opinion that the simple explanation for the 2002 pic looking "longer" is simply a "fit to page issue", as argued by some from the PIA camp. But here's the thing, this fade shows a picture with the "face made long"and the angle is exact. (it's the same picture of course) But if you can make a fade that's this smooth, where the only difference is that the length of the face changes around the center axis, (credit to the Doc) Then you really got something there. A fade that shows a confusing mix of growing and straigtening nose, ears all over the place, drooping lower lip, etc., just (again) gives one vertigo. Is a fade this smooth possible between two diiffering pics? Probably not.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 2, 2004 23:08:09 GMT -5
Thanks...? ;D You don't match it up by the pupils. Highness can change that. ;D You always match it up by the eyes. I didn't purposely "make Paul's head bigger in proportion". It just fell into place that way, like it always does when I make a fade with the pictures at the same angle. Pupils? They fricken change in size depending on the amount of light. FP is right on target.
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 2, 2004 23:20:55 GMT -5
JoJo, you realize I've been using vintage pics from this forum, posted in the "Paul" board in all my fades in this thread.
And once again, that last fade wasn't meant to match up that well. It was meant to show a closer expression than the comparison that PL posted
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Post by Girl on Nov 3, 2004 0:21:07 GMT -5
I would have been more convinced with photos exactly the same size, at a straighter angle...
As for the first fade, it's not the best one to make your point with, I clearly see 2 different people there... look at the depth of Paul's eyes.
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Post by Morph on Nov 3, 2004 2:07:43 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Nov 3, 2004 2:19:24 GMT -5
I opened my eyes too late........
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