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Post by pennylane on Aug 11, 2005 7:57:26 GMT -5
Style August 11, 2005 - Wallace Baine
blah blah... Pete Best... blah blah... Best and his brothers still own the Casbah and have restored the interior, complete with a rainbow and a young Paul McCartney painted on the ceiling.
why just a young Paul McCartney? 
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 11, 2005 10:25:10 GMT -5
Style August 11, 2005 - Wallace Baine
blah blah... Pete Best... blah blah... Best and his brothers still own the Casbah and have restored the interior, complete with a rainbow and a young Paul McCartney painted on the ceiling.
why just a young Paul McCartney? Only Paul? What about John, George and Ringo..  I doubt he's mad at Ringo after all this time for ummm...being replaced. ;D That is odd. I'm not sure if he was closer to Paul than the other Beatles. Just a guess, but I somehow doubt it. Weren't they competing for attention with their group? Maybe he's friends with Ringo and Bill, now. I dunno. But with the rainbow along with Paul's pic', it sure seems an awful lot like a tribute. Maybe he knows something..  |
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 11, 2005 16:57:19 GMT -5
I don't think there's any question about it, coz I guarantee ya that if one of my old buds from my 80's band was replaced, I'd be able to tell the difference.... especially if there was as much difference in the appearance as there is with JPM 66 & Bill early 67.
Not to mention the personality differences.
So it seems obvious to me that it's meant as a tribute to the late JPM.
I wonder what he tells people who ask why only Paul?
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Post by pennylane on Aug 11, 2005 18:45:04 GMT -5
mmm.. been trying to look for a picture of this, but haven't found anything, except for maybe this report is wrong.. A young Paul McCartney once painted a rainbow on the ceiling of the Casbah.. maybe they restored that and got the wording wrong.. or maybe not.. wish I could find a picture to clarify it.
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 11, 2005 19:41:47 GMT -5
. A young Paul McCartney once painted a rainbow on the ceiling of the Casbah.. maybe they restored that and got the wording wrong.. . That, would be very cool, if that were the case. Hmmmm, a teenager painting a rainbow on the ceiling of a tavern, the overall quality of that painting was probably pretty bad!....... I could be wrong. |
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 11, 2005 23:35:35 GMT -5
I don't think there's any question about it, coz I guarantee ya that if one of my old buds from my 80's band was replaced, I'd be able to tell the difference.... especially if there was as much difference in the appearance as there is with JPM 66 & Bill early 67. That's assuming of course, Eyesbleed, that you yourself weren't replaced at some point in time!  *** Eyes, Eyesbleed suspiciously *** ;D |
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Post by pennylane on Aug 12, 2005 18:41:14 GMT -5
yep.. the news report worded it wrong. They restored the original painting Paul did..  |
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 12, 2005 18:50:56 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up, Penny. It's still a pretty interesting story in any case. Ummm, sorry to hear that you've been replaced, btw! ;D |
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Post by pennylane on Aug 12, 2005 19:31:18 GMT -5
Ummm, sorry to hear that you've been replaced, btw! ;D yes... well... according to the 'gospel' of SunKing.. everyone's been replaced  |
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 12, 2005 19:42:26 GMT -5
Ummm, sorry to hear that you've been replaced, btw! ;D yes... well... according to the 'gospel' of SunKing.. everyone's been replaced ;D As for the Casbah, who's to say that Pete doesn't know something. He has a history with the Beatles. I'm wondering though if they contaced Bill about restoring his painting. Not for permission, but just to let him know. I'm really not sure if Bill or Ringo ever even speak to Pete anymore. That may have been brought up before. I'll check the threads and go google and see what I can find .. |
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 12, 2005 20:10:20 GMT -5
An interesting article about Pete Best talking about his time with the Beatles at the King Lynn Arts Centre from 15 October 1999. The opening of the Casbah Club in his mother’s cellar was well detailed and there were several slides of the original art which John and Stuart Sutcliffe had created for the walls and ceiling. Amazingly the artwork survives to this day and was a centrepiece of the Casbah’s reopening a short time ago. Pete said the painted stars alone had been valued at £1000 each and his family were waiting for the roof to fall in to grab them.
***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Q. Were you ever told the reasons for your sacking?
A. No, but let's look at the theories. I can’t accept the drumming theory as when we came back from Germany, other groups copied my style using the loud bass drum. Also, Bert Kaempfert was quite happy with my drumming when we recorded in Germany. As for Ringo being a better drummer, well, he was replaced on "Love Me Do" as well wasn’t he? The hairstyle? That’s all rubbish, it was never even discussed. Jealousy? I was aware of the Pete Best fans but there were plenty of Paul fans too. As long as the group got the attention I was happy. Personality? I took part in all the crazy stunts and drinking. I was a Beatle. A rumour around the Cavern was that it was because I turned down Brian Epstein’s advances but I don’t believe that. Unreliable? I missed four shows in over two years so if that makes me unreliable…….
At the end of the day two people still alive know the reason. We may all read about it in the newspapers next year or we may never know.If he includes himself, that should be 3 people..unless Pete himself wasn't there when he was replaced! Oh, right, Bill wasn't there... abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/petebest.htm
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Post by pennylane on Aug 12, 2005 20:16:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure, none of the Beatles ever spoke to Pete again. It's not as though they were good friends with him in the first place anyway. He just had a drum kit.. he might have been a good drummer.. but if the chemistry is not there.. it's not there.
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 12, 2005 20:26:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure, none of the Beatles ever spoke to Pete again. It's not as though they were good friends with him in the first place anyway. He just had a drum kit.. he might have been a good drummer.. but if the chemistry is not there.. it's not there. He says all the drummers in Liverpool copied his style using the Bass drum - Creating a really loud 'boom' effect that other drummers weren't using until he did it. And that he set the tone with his 'steady beat'. That was mentioned by Pete in another article I've read. Ringo borrowed it also, or so Pete says. Oh, and he sued Ringo. Q. Were you ever told the reasons for your sacking?
A. No, but let's look at the theories. I can’t accept the drumming theory as when we came back from Germany, other groups copied my style using the loud bass drum. Also, Bert Kaempfert was quite happy with my drumming when we recorded in Germany. As for Ringo being a better drummer, well, he was replaced on "Love Me Do" as well wasn’t he? The hairstyle? That’s all rubbish, it was never even discussed. Jealousy? I was aware of the Pete Best fans but there were plenty of Paul fans too. As long as the group got the attention I was happy. Personality? I took part in all the crazy stunts and drinking. I was a Beatle. A rumour around the Cavern was that it was because I turned down Brian Epstein’s advances but I don’t believe that. Unreliable? I missed four shows in over two years so if that makes me unreliable…….
At the end of the day two people still alive know the reason. We may all read about it in the newspapers next year or we may never know.
Q. Did you ever think of asking for compensation or a settlement?
A. A few years later I had to bring a libel case as Ringo said in Playboy magazine that I used to take pills to make me ill so I wouldn’t have to play. The lawyers advised me to sue for loss of earnings as well for the period up to Christmas 1963. Eventually the case was settled out of court but the settlement was not substantial.
Q. Did you have any contact with Beatles afterwards?
A. On two occasions I appeared on the same bill as them with my new band Lee Curtis and the All Stars. It was a stand off situation as we came offstage and they were going on…. As they grew to the phenomenon we all know the walls went up and they were hard to approach. I never bothered. What was the point?
Q. Did you ever want to ring them up and say "you *******"
A. (Laughs) Many times.
Q. Do you think you will ever meet them again?
A. It's possible. I’m now back in show business what with the tours and shows. One day our paths might cross.
Q. Is it true John sent a message years later saying he wanted nothing to do with your sacking?
A. Hunter Davies spoke to John and that was the message that came back. John had said, "We were cowards when we sacked him". |
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Post by pennylane on Aug 12, 2005 21:51:55 GMT -5
It's simple really... they liked Ringo better. They wanted Ringo in the band. They got along with Ringo. As George said.. when Ringo played with them it clicked.
Pete needs to 'let it be'
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 12, 2005 22:50:38 GMT -5
That's assuming of course, Eyesbleed, that you yourself weren't replaced at some point in time! *** Eyes, Eyesbleed suspiciously *** ;D Ya, when you notice my posts start having lots of 's & LOL's, and I change my avatar to some pastel flowery thing, & I always have a cheery/perky disposition...... that would probably mean I've been replaced.............. or been given some really good psychedelics kept in a vault since 1969.... one or the other! |
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 13, 2005 6:58:45 GMT -5
That's assuming of course, Eyesbleed, that you yourself weren't replaced at some point in time! *** Eyes, Eyesbleed suspiciously *** ;D Ya, when you notice my posts start having lots of 's & LOL's, and I change my avatar to some pastel flowery thing, & I always have a cheery/perky disposition...... that would probably mean I've been replaced.............. or been given some really good psychedelics kept in a vault since 1969.... one or the other! ;D Don't forget, also, if you suddenly lose your sense of humor, then I'll really know something's up! |
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I doubt he's mad at Ringo after all this time for ummm...being replaced. ;D
