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Post by JoJo on Sept 5, 2004 15:25:07 GMT -5
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joejoe
Hard Day's Night 
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Post by joejoe on Sept 7, 2004 21:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 22:19:21 GMT -5
Notice Faul's voice in the Helter Skelter clip sounds just like his later solo work on "McCartney". Much higher in pitch and more nasal than Paul's vocals ever were. The White album version was sung in a lower key.
If Faul wrote the "Blackbird" melody by himself, he's right up there with Paul as a composer. I like it better than "Yesterday"
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Post by MST3KITH on Sept 7, 2004 22:59:52 GMT -5
I'm a PIAer, so of course I think it's Paul, but if there was a replacement, than the guy is a very talented musician and writer. I have watched the Blackbird video and I know how to play it on guitar and he is definitely playing it, and singing it at the same time. A very respectable feat, if there was a replacement, since the song is relatively difficult, and even more difficult when you sing while playing.
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Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 23:06:16 GMT -5
I'm a PIAer, so of course I think it's Paul, but if there was a replacement, than the guy is a very talented musician and writer. I have watched the Blackbird video and I know how to play it on guitar and he is definitely playing it, and singing it at the same time. A very respectable feat, if there was a replacement, since the song is relatively difficult, and even more difficult when you sing while playing. No argument here. Some will argue that Faul is even more talented than Paul. He certainly deserves a lifetime achievement Oscar for his acting performance alone.  |
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Post by Morph on Sept 8, 2004 13:48:02 GMT -5
These videos are great!, thanks for putting them up.
I've watched the mpegs carefully, and they look very suspect.
Helter Skelter: More than likely Faul is singing, but he isn't playing the guitar. At 00:28 there is a serious disparity between what I see and what I hear.
Blackbird: What I hear, at 1:06, is the sound of the guitar continuing to reverb during the pause, just like it should with vibrating strings. However, at the end, around 1:40, the guitar sound suddenly stops just before he starts talking to the other person. I would expect to still hear a little string reverb there, but there's nothing. It simply sounds like a recording of Paul being played in the studio that was stopped.
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Post by JoJo on Sept 8, 2004 17:07:11 GMT -5
Helter Skelter, yes Morph I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that, it did seem a little "off". Also the body language between him and Big GM, seemed like he was looking for approval, like "Am I doing this right?"
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Post by MST3KITH on Sept 8, 2004 18:21:08 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but it looks like he is muting the strings with his fretboard hand. That would explain why you don't hear any reverb, Morph.
Also, JoJo, are the audio and video of the Helter Skelter vid perfectly synched? It looks like he is playing correctly to me, but that the video is a few seconds faster than the audio (why he stops playing yet you still hear the previous riff).
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Post by JoJo on Sept 8, 2004 20:26:04 GMT -5
I see some matching, some not, I think that's what Morph is getting at. Totally out of synch video is different, I've seen it a few times in bootleg stuff. This moves in and out. (IMO)
However, in posting this video,I was hoping the "fingering the chords" experts could shed some light on this area...(it's early on in our timeline here)
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Post by JoJo on Sept 8, 2004 21:04:56 GMT -5
I can't find the thread but someone said something about the way someone fingers the chords being like a fingerprint if you will, not so much whether they are fingered correctly or with the fingers in the correct places for a given chord. I don't really understand what that means to be honest, but that's logical, once you learn something like that, practice thousands of times over, indeed, why would it change, makes no sense. A trained eye could spot it. (not me) |
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Post by Morph on Sept 9, 2004 13:44:03 GMT -5
Helter Skelter, yes Morph I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that, it did seem a little "off". Also the body language between him and Big GM, seemed like he was looking for approval, like "Am I doing this right?" Haha that's right. To me, Faul's expression and movements look appropriate for Helter Skelter, but incredibly jarring with the relaxed and melancholic (read: Paul-like) mood of Blackbird. Also, that 45 at the beginning of Blackbird reminded me of the Love Me Do video where they were lip-synching...it had a 45 at the beginning too. |
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Post by Morph on Sept 9, 2004 13:56:36 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but it looks like he is muting the strings with his fretboard hand. That would explain why you don't hear any reverb, Morph. Just noticed that, you may be right...while looking carefully, the guitar resumes playing after that pause but it looks like he's a hair late moving his left hand. hmmm. |
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Post by Morph on Sept 25, 2004 10:56:25 GMT -5
I exracted the audio from the Blackbird video and compared it to the released version. It's odd that the vocals in this demo version are perfect, and in every way better than the vocals in the final version...the highs are softer, and the sustain/trail off a whole lot smoother.
This leads me to believe this demo is an actual recording of Paul, while the released version sounds like Faul or Neil, perhaps with bits of Paul spliced in.
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Post by noodles on Feb 10, 2006 12:07:24 GMT -5
I see some matching, some not, I think that's what Morph is getting at. Totally out of synch video is different, I've seen it a few times in bootleg stuff. This moves in and out. (IMO) I agree, some matches and some doesn't which you don't get when something is out of synch. I'm guessing this was done to had the fact that it's not him on the audio. It makes it impossible to synch it up correctly. I still might have a go though. |
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Post by bluemeanie on Feb 10, 2006 12:27:21 GMT -5
sorry but as a musician myself i have to say blackbird is a very simple song, nowhere near matching the sheer class and sophistication and brilliant chord progression of here, there and everywhere.
martha my dear however is very good
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