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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 20, 2005 22:44:34 GMT -5
Not saying that Joey was a replacement for JPM, but this guy resembles JPM in some of the pics on the following site. If you scroll down, you will see Joey with Spencer Davis and Denny Laine...Who doesn't look too much like JPM these days either... But I had heard a rumor years ago that Paul's brother was in Badfinger....Which I knew he wasn't. But I remember seeing a video of "No Matter What" and there was a guy who reminded me of Paul. Thinking about that, I did a google and thought I'd share this. Being a musician, could he have possibly be a stand in for JPM in those days? Esp since Joey's band played in the Cavern Club.... Just thought I'd share this.. cottageviews.com/badfingerandbeyondphotos.htm
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Post by lili on Dec 22, 2005 11:07:14 GMT -5
The eye spacing is dead on. That is some find, Rita. One has to wonder. At least he wasn't one of the band members who "committed suicide " That whole thing stinks like yesterday's fish !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 22, 2005 22:07:23 GMT -5
Day After Day
I remember finding out about you Every day my mind is all around you Looking out of my lonely room day after day
Another song that comes to mind "No Matter What" when I first heard it, I thought it was the Beatles.
They truly were a talented group.....sad to know that two died of suicide and the other one died only recently.
Come and Get It
If you want it, here it is come and get Make your mind up fast If you want it anytime I can give it But you better hurry cause it may not last Did I hear you say that there must be catch Will you walk away from a fool and his money?
Was this Bill's ultimatum...?If you want to be Paul, here it is, come and get it....make your mind up fast....you better hurry.....
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 3, 2006 23:21:37 GMT -5
Being in the music business, Joey Molland is actually a friend of a friend! The friend that knows Joey personally is TOTALLY anti-PID. He's one of the ones that will get downright angry at the mention of it.
This person used to be my boss and bandleader many years ago. I know that he possessed tapes of Paul having a conversation with someone that he trusted as a friend - and that "friend" was running a tape recorder under their table during the whole conversation. I've heard it, although it was over 15 years ago. Nothing that would pertain to PID/PWR that I remember, but I don't think that I heard the whole thing either.
Back then, I'd pretty much gave up on arguing with people about any of this stuff, although I'd always stick to my guns whenever I mentioned that I was certain that the Beatles did this stuff intentionally. My former bandleader would argue to the contrary and claim that it's people's imaginations running wild. I wonder what he'd think now?!?
I haven't spoken with the old bossman in a few years. Maybe I should go track him down and show him the latest evidence eh?
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Post by lili on Mar 4, 2006 8:40:32 GMT -5
He'll just shoot you down again. Some people are afraid of the truth. When I 1st saw the Paul is Dead forensic evidence website, I was shocked. I was very young when Paul died & was replaced. By the time I started listening to The Beatles, Paul had already been dead a few years. The person who I followed as Paul was Bill. When I 1st saw the Shakespearian sketch it shook me. I watched in awe as Paul said his lines. I knew that the person on the screen was Paul, but my mind was telling me that it couldn't be him. He did not look like the Paul McCartney that I had grown up with. In my mind, he was the imposter. That was the beginning of my PID oddysey. I have spent years on various forums & websites trying to illuminate people. It has not been an easy task. Do you remember anything that was said on that tape ? Do you remember whether his accent seemed legitimitely British ? I find it interesting that someone would tape him in secret. One of the reasons that a person would do that, is blackmail. What was he hoping to capture on that tape ? Could it have been something that would give him leverage with "Paul" ? Shady business practices ? Or maybe a confession that he's not who he seems to be ?
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 4, 2006 10:35:48 GMT -5
What was he hoping to capture on that tape ? Could it have been something that would give him leverage with "Paul" ? Shady business practices ? Or maybe a confession that he's not who he seems to be ? I don't know, but I'm going to be making some phone calls over the next few days. I do remember Paul/Faul sounding as we always know him to sound. Nothing unusual there. He did say some VERY unkind and revealing things about Yoko that I won't go into here. That and a few snide remarks about his former bandmates - well John, and George anyway. I don't remember him saying anything about Ringo. I have a mission. I'm going to track down my old boss. If I can, I'll see if I can make contact with Joey too, but don't get your hopes up on that one.
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Post by lili on Mar 4, 2006 14:22:50 GMT -5
We're not really certain about the Bill/Yoko relationship. I think that basically they're on the same side. Except, for when one of them steps on the other one's toes. Like Bill trying to mess with the order of the names on the song credits. I'm pretty sure that Paul & John set it up that way in a very benign fashion. Probably it was Lennon/McCartney because L comes before M. Something just that simple. They worked on alot of their songs together. I'm sure that it would get pretty ludicrous if you start counting words. In other words, the song should be McCartney/Lennon because Paul wrote one more line in it than John did. They knew what they were doing. It was stupid of Bill to try to mess with that. In that instance, I have to say that Yoko was right ( although I'm loathe to admit it). I'm not surprised that Bill had nothing bad to say about Ringo. I have my own suspicions concerning Ritchie's role in this whole mess. Have you ever listened to the alternate Beatle albums ? I guess they're considered bootlegs. There's an alternate Rubber Soul. I downloaded it off of one of the music download sites. Probably Kazaa, Lime light or one of the others. Anyway, it has The Beatles during a practice session for Think For Yourself. You can hear John talking. He says something that pisses Paul off, because Paul goes off on him. Paul even says to John " you wanna fight !". You can hear how thick his accent was. As soon as he got agitated, there it was in all it's glory. To me, he almost sounded like Sean Connery, it was that heavy. THAT was Paul's true accent. If you haven't heard it, you need to find it & listen to it. It's a REAL eye opener. Keep us abreast of whatever you might find out. Remember that this is not a joke. There is alot of mystery surrounding this. Quite a few people have died because of the cover-up. Good luck !!!
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 4, 2006 16:11:05 GMT -5
Hello again lili!
I have some old 45's of the Beatles on both Swan, and VeeJay labels. On their original tunes it's listed as "McCartney-Lennon" for the songwriters credit. Later on, after the switch to EMI/Capitol, it was listed as "Lennon-McCartney", and I think that I read somewhere years ago, that it was strictly due to alphbetizing. I'd also read where Paul and John butted heads on this issue. Too bad.
I sent links to my old boss to this and other sites. I rang him up and we talked. He no longer has the Paul conversation tape that I'd mentioned, but said that it was available as a bootleg through the usual circles.
THERE'S where we should be clue-hunting. BOOTLEGS! There's TONS of 'em out there too!
My friend said he hadn't spoken with Joey Molland in a couple of years. He also said that, despite Joey's Beatle ties, Joey had only spoken once with Paul in his entire life. It was at a party and the conversation went something like "Oh so you have George producing eh? That's cool". End of conversation.
He has checked some of the PID sites, but said that he had not looked at the current evidence. His opinions is still based on whatever the public became aware of back in 1969. Needless to say, he's diggin' in his heels, and Paul is still alive, and not replaced.
At this point I'd like to go over to his house, grab his head and force his face into the monitor and say "HERE LOOK DAMMIT! DENY THIS WOULD YA?!?"
He also went as far as to say that he doubts that Paul has seen any of these sites, and is not aware of the growing concern of "PID Awareness" (for lack of a better term). If Paul were smart, he'd pay someone off to doctor the fingerprint files, or pay someone off to say that they've tested Paul's current DNA with the old Paul's DNA and it's the SAME GUY. Or something/ANYTHING to shut us the hell up! It's obvious that we're not going to stop until he either comes clean, or buys himself out of it somehow.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 4, 2006 16:56:54 GMT -5
Ask this guy how "Paul" managed to produce Badfinger's No. 1 hit "Come and Get It" w/o ever meeting Molland.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 4, 2006 17:27:31 GMT -5
Ask this guy how "Paul" managed to produce Badfinger's No. 1 hit "Come and Get It" w/o ever meeting Molland. Didn't JPM write that song? It sounds like his style.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 4, 2006 18:34:42 GMT -5
I think he probably did, & I think a number of Badfinger tunes credited to members of the band were probably old JPM songs & snippets as well.
But supposedly "Paul" produced the recrod and sat in the control room while Molland et al were recording.
So it would be remarkable if Molland never met "Paul" (Faulguy). Maybe it was Mal Evans producing. I wouldn't be surprised if Evans produced most of Badfinger's Apple records, really.
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 4, 2006 21:23:55 GMT -5
Well, it's on record that Paul recorded a demo of "Come and Get It" I think specifically for Badfinger to learn. I didn't know that Paul produced that particular tune, or album for the band. I'd heard about George, and Todd Rundgren producing them.
This is what my ex-boss told me as it was told to him by Joey Molland. I'll certainly ask him about it though.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 4, 2006 22:48:20 GMT -5
He also went as far as to say that he doubts that Paul has seen any of these sites, and is not aware of the growing concern of "PID Awareness" (for lack of a better term). If Paul were smart, he'd pay someone off to doctor the fingerprint files, or pay someone off to say that they've tested Paul's current DNA with the old Paul's DNA and it's the SAME GUY. Or something/ANYTHING to shut us the hell up! It's obvious that we're not going to stop until he either comes clean, or buys himself out of it somehow. I'm sure that fingerprint situation has been sufficiantly covered up so no Jr. detectives will stumble across anything. Kinda like the Reveille mag we had "our man in London" search out for us...... whatta ya know.. a missin' page right exactly at the critical date we're lookin' at. How convenient is that? As far as Bill bein' aware of the PID activity... sure he is, the man still loves to drop those little clues.... the little bit on Rinse the Raindrops, the Grammys thing a few yrs back, & now the C&C release with JPM on the cover & the double sig etc etc. He seems to get a bit of a kick outta the whole thing. Or somebody does!
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Post by JoJo on Mar 12, 2006 15:45:24 GMT -5
Not saying that Joey was a replacement for JPM, but this guy resembles JPM in some of the pics on the following site. Actually, you are correct, this guy would work in a pinch with different hair..(maybe more than a pinch?)
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 12, 2006 18:43:37 GMT -5
Wow he does resemble JPM!
And he killed himself?
Something dodgy there no?
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 12, 2006 19:09:34 GMT -5
Joey didn't kill himself, there were two other bandmembers who had untimely deaths, Pete Ham and the guitar player whose name has escaped me. And the other bandmember had recently died. But as far as I know, Joey is still "with us"....
"Come and Get It" and "Day after Day", weren't they "McCartney" compositions? Whether they were JPM's or Bill's version of "McCartney"...IMO Day After Day sounds like it could have been JPM's, where Come and Get It has Bill's flavor in it.
I would find that strange to think that they never worked with Bill. Something doesn't feel right that they never met him. Being that they were an "Apple" band.
Thinking about JoJo's post, makes me wonder if Joey could very well be the other 1967 "Faul Model" that we see that doesn't look quite like Bill and definitely is not JPM? He would fit the timeline and age range.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 12, 2006 19:09:40 GMT -5
A little bit of the strory from Mike Gibbins about "Come and Get It" with the music video following. Total, he mentions Neil and Mal a bit. VideoFor what it's worth, a couple more screen grabs of Molland, how about the second one? The first one appears to show some scarring on his upper lip, with his right side having an "X" shaped scar.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 12, 2006 21:35:25 GMT -5
His eyes more like JPM, than the wider eyed Bill.
It does look like upper lip scars indeed.
Great work JoJo.
Makes me wonder that some of the pics of the Faul we see during the late 60's, never shows a smile, no teeth.
Maybe he was a working "Faul" but not one the system went with.
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Post by Doc on Mar 13, 2006 4:17:08 GMT -5
Yes, I think that I see a resemblence between Joey and JPM as well.
Hmmmm.......is it possible that he performed JPM at some point?
I don't know if by his age at the time that would have been possible. Probably not. But, it shows that there could have been a number of good candidates in that general time period.
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Post by lili on Mar 13, 2006 10:03:24 GMT -5
I think that Joey could've filled in for Paul. It would explain why he is disavowing any kind of relationship with Bill. Maybe he feels that if he says that he only met Bill once, noone will suspect that he was once part of the cover-up ?
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Post by JoJo on Mar 13, 2006 19:55:01 GMT -5
I don't know if by his age at the time that would have been possible. Probably not. But, it shows that there could have been a number of good candidates in that general time period. The more I look, the more I think this is one of the best JPM lookalikes ever. Anyway, his musical career began in 1965, (he was born in 1947) as discussed in this Wiki entry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Molland
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 14, 2006 0:37:52 GMT -5
Well, my friend mentioned that Joey is quite short, so I really don't think he's a candidate as a replacement.
Whoever sings "Day After Day" does a pretty good Paul vocal imitation though!
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Post by lili on Mar 14, 2006 18:47:55 GMT -5
How short ? Paul wasn't all that tall either. Lenmac posted photos from the MMT wrap party. I've had one of the photos that she posted for a long time. I always thought the man in that photo was Paul. In those photos, the man at the party was not much taller than Jane.
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 16, 2006 22:46:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly how short Joey is, but he's shorter than my friend, who is quite a bit shorter than JPM. I'm thinking that Joey is VERY short, like slightly over 5 feet or something. The next time that I contact my old boss, I'll ask him again.
BTW - the old boss seemed quite annoyed to be discussing PID after all these years, and really doesn't want to see any new evidence.............
....... well after all..... it's just our "wild imaginations" running away. Right???
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Post by lili on Mar 17, 2006 11:16:11 GMT -5
Methink he protests too much. Maybe he has managed to stay "breathing" all of these years by turning a blind eye to it ? The fact that he refuses to even look at the new evidence makes me wonder. See if you can find out Joey's true height. If he is that short, it would eliminate him from ever having impersonated Paul.
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