Who said the truth?

[eggy]

Here's John and Faul's version about how they gave the song "I Wanna Be Your Man" to the Stones.

John said that he and Paul gave the song to the Stones when they met them in Richmond, in the place the Stones used to play.
Faul said that they gave the song to the Stones on a taxi in Charing Cross Road.

JOHN 1980: "'I Wanna Be Your Man' was a kind of lick Paul had-- 'I wanna be your lover, baby. I wanna be your man.' I think we finished it off for the Stones. We were taken down to meet them at the club where they were playing in Richmond by Brian and some other guy. They wanted a song and we went to see what kind of stuff they did. Mick and Keith heard we had an unfinished song-- Paul just had this bit and we needed another verse or something. We sort of played it roughly to them and they said, 'Yeah, OK, that's our style.' But it was only really a lick, so Paul and I went off in the corner of the room and finished the song off while they were all still sitting there talking. We came back, and that's how Mick and Keith got inspired to write... because, 'Jesus, look at that. They just went in the corner and wrote it and came back!' You know, right in front of their eyes we did it. So we gave it to them. It was a throw-away. The only two versions of the song were Ringo and the Rolling Stones. It shows how much importance we put on them. We weren't going to give them anything great, right? I believe it was the Stones' first record."


FAUL 1984: "I wrote it for Ringo to do on one of the early albums. But we ended up giving it to the Stones. We met Mick and Keith in a taxi one day in Charing Cross Road and Mick said, 'Have you got any songs?' So we said, 'Well, we just happen to have one with us!' I think George had been instrumental in getting them their first record contract. We suggested them to Decca, 'cuz Decca had blown it by refusing us, so they had tried to save face by asking George, 'Know any other groups?' He said, 'Well, there is this group called the Stones.' So that's how they got their first contract. Anyway, John and I gave them maybe not their first record, but I think the first they got on the charts with. They don't tell anybody about it these days; they prefer to be more ethnic. But you and I know the real truth."






I bet you know who lie here

[revolver]

I remember reading where Mick or Keith confirmed John's version of the story, not Faul's. Faul was right about giving away the song, but faked the details he forgot or didn't know. I don't know whether or not he was right about how the Stones' got their first record contract.

[-Wings-]

I'm not sure how reliable this is, but I think a good tell of when Faul is just making stuff up on the spot is the tug of the ear. You'll notice this a lot in interviews. Whenever he starts talking about "the good old days," he'll pull on his ear lobe slightly. It might be a nervous reaction to lying, sort of like folding your arms.

[revolver]

I think you're right, Wings. The first time we saw that was in the late '66 street interview.

[JoJo]

Bill's got his tells, agree with that. The ear tugging continues in the Anthology interviews.

I think Bill by virtue of the fact that he simply wasn't there, has to rely on his memory of the stories he heard, which is real sharp, gotta give him credit. What I've noticed is whenever possible, when he's backed into the corner of having to tell a story in the first person, (about the old days) he often mumbles his way out of it, drops the first person pronoun, etc, almost like being there is an abstract idea.

I don't think Bill likes to tell bald faced lies, I think he tries to avoid it by working around stating things in a direct manner, so technically, he's not lying.

[-Wings-]

The thing is, in all the video footage of Paul I've seen, I've never seen that "tell" on him. Maybe I've just never seen it and it's out there, but if not, then it's pretty interesting that he just happened to develop it in late '66, isn't it?

Anyway, this Rolling Stones story sounds just like one of the stories Bill was always telling on the Anthology series. He knows just enough of the facts to make it convincing, but has to fill in the details with some finely crafted BS. I imagine it's not so bothersome now, but it would be nerve-racking when he first took over the role. Just look at that street interview in December '66 and see how nervous he appears to be.

[pennylane]

In regard to the street interview thing, I think John appears to be the most nervous!

Another tell-tale sign of lying is moving your eyes up to the right hand top corner.. he does this alot too!

[revolver]

George seemed rather nervous, and evasive too. Ringo was the calmest of the four, probably just his nature.

[pennylane]

When asked if they all get along though.. he looks rather sad!

[revolver]

-Wings- said:

I'm not sure how reliable this is, but I think a good tell of when Faul is just making stuff up on the spot is the tug of the ear. You'll notice this a lot in interviews. Whenever he starts talking about "the good old days," he'll pull on his ear lobe slightly. It might be a nervous reaction to lying, sort of like folding your arms.

Acrostic Unicorn claimed that Paul did the ear-cheek thing in a '63 or '64 interview when explaining how the Beatles gave the Stones the IWBYM single. Does anyone have have a copy of that interview?

[JoJo]

It's possible, I wonder if that's an Anthology thing, I don't recall anything from the first US visit DVD where he talks about giving the Stones that song. I'll look for it, I have a fair number material like that.

But you know what? Cumulatively, Bill does that ear tug thing frequently, and mostly when he's backed into a corner, having to talk convincingly about the old days. If Paul did it all, he may have had an itch, who knows. I have watched for it, believe me.

[eggy]

Here's Mick Jagger's version about how John and Paul gave him the song.
He doesn't mention any place, just a rehearsal, but it's hard to make a rehearsal in a taxi though

Mick Jagger:
Well, we knew them by then and we were rehearsing, and Andrew
[Oldham] brought Paul and John down to the rehearsal. They said
they had this tune, and they were really hustlers then. I mean,
the way they used to hustle tunes was great: Hey Mick, we've
got this great song [done with a John Lennon accent].
So they played it and we thought it sounded pretty commercial,
which is what we were looking for, so we did it like Elmore
James or something. I haven't heard it for ages, but it must
be pretty freaky cause nobody really produced it... but it was
a hit and it sounded great onstag'.
Jagger RSI46

[DarkHorse]

PennyLane said:

When asked if they all get along though.. he looks rather sad!

Ringo looks down and makes a sad face when asked this question. Talk about body language! You can't get much more obvious.

[pennylane]

DarkHorse said:

Ringo looks down and makes a sad face when asked this question. Talk about body language! You can't get much more obvious.

You can actually hear my heart break when I watch that!

[DoctorRobert1]

DarkHorse said:

Ringo looks down and makes a sad face when asked this question. Talk about body language! You can't get much more obvious.

I noticed that, too...makes you wanna ask each one of 'em, "What's wrong?"

George practically runs from the interviewer. No, he actually "flees".
And turns back as if to half-heartedly reassure us, "NO!".

Had anyone ever run away before? He couldn't handle it. He wanted to escape scrutiny. Really, it'd rude wouldn't it? If we didn't half-way know why. He didn't say "excuse me" did he?
Or, "I'l be right back..."

Most folks, you do that to people you grett on the street? The remaining people will say, "What's up with him?"

I am not picking on poor George. I'd not have been able to face any kind of interview under circumstances like the ones we have come to believe he was under......

But, why does John laugh nervously and regard the camera right after he says" We'd a;ways get together for one reason or another, I mean, we all get along".......twitch, look, twist, giggle.

Don't blame him a bit,

I bet most people just assume, "See there! Drugs! They're all on those evil drugs! Their mind is just frazzled and they've got no attention span or social skills. They're fried!......all that pot, and L.S.D., and opiums, and coke and pills...everybody knows how much drugs they did! They're just runnin' away from reality!"


No dear. They were saving us from it.

[pennylane]

DoctorRobert said:

No dear. They were saving us from it.

good call doc [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]