|
Post by mciiii on Dec 4, 2005 21:28:27 GMT -5
Who is the guy next to Bill?
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on Dec 4, 2005 21:39:53 GMT -5
Looks like Bill has on the Magical Mystery Tour Sweater. Well dressed, not part of the acting troupe, some kind of business man? Media executive? Not familiar to me, sorry to say.
|
|
|
Post by DarkHorse on Dec 5, 2005 9:24:57 GMT -5
Looks like Brian Epstein's cousin.
|
|
|
Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 14, 2005 18:10:31 GMT -5
I was thinking he looks like Brian Epstein, or the Duke of Windsor...: p
What's with the vest of many colors? Is this a clue as to Bill having multiple personalities? After all, between the different PID forums, Bill had also impersonated Vivian Stamshell, Adrian Sheppard/Paul Raymond, and then Neil.....or were these cast of characters impersonating Faul/Bill?
A horse of many colors from the land of Oz....
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on Dec 14, 2005 19:02:54 GMT -5
I was thinking he looks like Brian Epstein, or the Duke of Windsor...: p What's with the vest of many colors? Is this a clue as to Bill having multiple personalities? After all, between the different PID forums, Bill had also impersonated Vivian Stamshell, Adrian Sheppard/Paul Raymond, and then Neil.....or were these cast of characters impersonating Faul/Bill? A horse of many colors from the land of Oz.... Yeah, well, I think he was kept quite busy enough in his role as Paul.. Viv: the only reference is John referring to Bill as Bonzo in one scene in MMT. I think the Doc pointed out the problem with his size/body type. Paul Raymond? He has a problem being Viv, as Bill has a problem being Brian. (or something like that) Adrian Shepherd is just a name that pops up occasionally, but now that may be something to ponder however..
|
|
|
Post by mciiii on Dec 14, 2005 19:08:28 GMT -5
looks like Brian Epstein , but at the time of MMT Brian is dead, maybe is a Brian double.
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on Dec 14, 2005 19:28:12 GMT -5
He does resemble Brian, but of course Brian was officially dead by then, one would think there was no need for a double by then. (should one have existed) Hmm, wonder what Clive Epstein looked like? It's odd that Brian practically vanished from public sight after Sept 1966, but the lack of photos/videos is frustrating in the hunt for evidence that he was replaced. With Paul, it was urgent, had to get a Paul (any Paul) out there in public ASAP.
|
|
|
Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 14, 2005 21:25:41 GMT -5
I agree, being Paul is a full time job, posing as cabaret singers and owners of strip clubs is a stretch, esp since Vivian lived until 1995. While some of the pics posted appear as if they could match, it really makes no sense why Bill would be still impersonating anyone else.
Maybe if someone keeps telling us it's true, someone may actually believe it.
But the resemblance to Brian is amazing. Whether it's Brian's brother, or perhaps a look a like. And not the Don Knotts theory. Someone who actually does look like Brian.
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on Dec 15, 2005 9:08:58 GMT -5
You couldn't honestly mistake him for brian though, you might see the build and think it but he doesn't actually look like him.
|
|
|
Post by lili on Dec 15, 2005 10:54:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately, some people are espousing this stuff as though it's totally authenticated FACT I think that Bill impersonated Viv in MMT because he admired him. I think they were either friends, or maybe related to each other ? James really does resemble Viv. In my opinion, either Bill is related to Viv ( brother, cousin ) or Linda had an indiscretion with Viv.
|
|
|
Post by mciiii on Dec 15, 2005 14:12:41 GMT -5
Or maybe that's a clue intended for MMT, but the scene was removed from the film because is so hard and directed.
|
|
|
Post by lili on Dec 15, 2005 14:16:52 GMT -5
It could be. A False Paul hanging out with a False Brian.
|
|
|
Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 15, 2005 21:13:35 GMT -5
But it's not the Don Knotts Frian.....if one actually believes Don Knotts was actually used as a replacement for Brian Epstein... Maybe Jim Nabors sang Back in the USSR......NOT!
|
|
|
Post by beatlies on Dec 17, 2005 2:37:30 GMT -5
It's plausible that Don Knotts could have impostered Brian. He was in a movie with the Doris Day-imposter and has the right kind of features. He's 5'10" and that is tall enough to fit Brian's height with lifts. I don't see why they would use an American instead of a British agent, but if Knotts had previous experience in covert operations ...
Don Knotts also has vocal talent that would be useful for faking Brian's voice:
"Don Knotts voices the role of Mayor Turkey Lurkey, and Fred Willard takes on the role of an alien father who, with his wife (Catherine O'Hara), is searching for their lost child. Knotts has actually had quite a lengthy career as a voice actor. Though best known for his roles in the iconic television series The Andy Griffith Show and the ever-popular Three's Company, as well as such films as The Ghost and Mr. Chicken and The Incredible Mr. Limpet, he actually first delved into the magic of voice work when he developed an interest in ventriloquism as a young teenager. Later, he was a comic in the army and did shows overseas. He studied acting in college, and spent many years doing radio theatre in 1940's and 50's before moving on to the small and silver screens.
"These days, Knotts keeps busy doing quite a bit of voiceover work, but those years in radio, especially, taught him well about creating character. He describes the process as "getting the picture of the personality in your mind and working from that. You don't have anything else to go by. You have to get everything, every emotion, into your voice."
"As per the Disney style, Willard and Knotts both basically used their own voices in Chicken Little. "I put more into the character when he was frightened or being overly mayor-like," says Knotts."
When was Brian Epstein first replaced anyway? The emerging information is that he was replaced in August 1965 by Bill Sheppard while JPM was still in the group!
So a timeline could be:
1964 Bill imposters Neil Aspinall ---> Feil 1 and records as Billy Pepper
1965 Bill replaces Brian ---> Frian 1 Agent X replaces Sylvie Vartan -----> Fylvie 1 Agent Y replaces Feil 1 -----> Feil 2
1966 Bill replaces James Paul McCartney ---> Faul Don Knotts replaces Frian 1 -----> Frian 2
1967 The Puppet Cast: Bill-Faul as JPM
Agent X as Sylvie Vartan (is this Marisa Sannia?)
Agent Y as Feil 2
Don Knotts as Frian 2
|
|
|
Post by Doc on Dec 17, 2005 3:54:26 GMT -5
It's plausible that Don Knotts could have impostered Brian. He was in a movie with the Doris Day-imposter and has the right kind of features. He's 5'10" and that is tall enough to fit Brian's height with lifts. I don't see why they would use an American instead of a British agent, but if Knotts had previous experience in covert operations ... Don Knotts also has vocal talent that would be useful for faking Brian's voice: "Don Knotts voices the role of Mayor Turkey Lurkey, and Fred Willard takes on the role of an alien father who, with his wife (Catherine O'Hara), is searching for their lost child. Knotts has actually had quite a lengthy career as a voice actor. Though best known for his roles in the iconic television series The Andy Griffith Show and the ever-popular Three's Company, as well as such films as The Ghost and Mr. Chicken and The Incredible Mr. Limpet, he actually first delved into the magic of voice work when he developed an interest in ventriloquism as a young teenager. Later, he was a comic in the army and did shows overseas. He studied acting in college, and spent many years doing radio theatre in 1940's and 50's before moving on to the small and silver screens. "These days, Knotts keeps busy doing quite a bit of voiceover work, but those years in radio, especially, taught him well about creating character. He describes the process as "getting the picture of the personality in your mind and working from that. You don't have anything else to go by. You have to get everything, every emotion, into your voice.""As per the Disney style, Willard and Knotts both basically used their own voices in Chicken Little. "I put more into the character when he was frightened or being overly mayor-like," says Knotts." When was Brian Epstein first replaced anyway? The emerging information is that he was replaced in August 1965 by Bill Sheppard while JPM was still in the group! So a timeline could be: 1964 Bill imposters Neil Aspinall ---> Feil 1 and records as Billy Pepper 1965 Bill replaces Brian ---> Frian 1 Agent X replaces Sylvie Vartan -----> Fylvie 1 Agent Y replaces Feil 1 -----> Feil 2 1966 Bill replaces James Paul McCartney ---> Faul Don Knotts replaces Frian 1 -----> Frian 2 1967 The Puppet Cast: Bill-Faul as JPM Agent X as Sylvie Vartan (is this Marisa Sannia?) Agent Y as Feil 2 Don Knotts as Frian 2 Interesting career history. Maybe he could have. I dunno, I still have trouble imagining the Brian voice I have heard on archival stuff we have seen on these sites, as being compatible. I grant that there is sometimes a wide range of "charactor voices" that some folks can do. I see that Knotts was especially gifted in that area. I dont know. Hard to call. Its still hard for me to groove on the idea of Knotts doing Brian in any capacity.
|
|
|
Post by beatlies on Dec 17, 2005 4:14:55 GMT -5
"Brian Epstein" appears to have been inexplicably absent for most of 1967: the Tony Bramwell book says he wasn't seen for "eight weeks" before the charade of the "drug overdose." Has anyone seen any video/film footage of Frian in 1967? An audio recording? It's amazing what they can get away with, or maybe it's naive to say it's amazing because the fact is people just don't question, or as the one-time Liverpool resident Adolf Hitler said: "how fortunate for the rulers that men do not think."
Hitler stayed for months in Liverpool, visiting his half-brother Alois who had moved there.
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on Dec 17, 2005 18:35:34 GMT -5
There is certainly too much to wade through at the very moment to give you the information but, the Hunter Davies biography of the Beatles gives a lot of information about Brian during that time, it could be disinformation but i for one believe it.
PS. Out of interest when did Hitler come to Liverpool and how long for?
|
|
|
Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 28, 2005 21:04:40 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by sistermaryabbey on Dec 29, 2005 14:58:12 GMT -5
I'd say photo tampering. It is basically Bill. Or I should say they have tried to re-make Paul into Bill.
It is sad that so many pictures of JPM have been tampered with trying to convince the world that Bill was/is JPM.
Even Bill's accent is wrong. If you listen to that Frost interview and then listen to something Bill says. Totally different accent.
From the outtake of Rocky Raccoon where Bill's says Minn-e-sota, I can't help but think he was originally from Minnesota, moved to Canada, and then landed the best role playing job any actor ever had.......
That guy could be a relative of Brian's. What does Brian's brother Clive look like? Anybody have any pictures. The guy in the picture has a very weak chin.
|
|
|
Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 29, 2005 17:04:06 GMT -5
I would say that most of the pics you find is a doctored JPM to look more like Bill, or vice versa.
It's very creepy, that for almost 40 years, we've been accustomed to Bill being Paul that it's getting more difficult to remember JPM as he truly was.
I had gone back to the original facial comparisons of JPM and Bill and there was a section that talked about Bill in his 'bearded" days, until his face was comparable to JPM's. That's why in the mid 1970's we see an unbearded Faul/Bill because his face was fuller.
I'm still convinced that there was at least a second Faux Faul just in case Bill didn't work out. But as evil as Bill is, he may have knocked off any other Faux Faul possibilities.
It makes for good forum discussions. But this is not the thread with the further misadventures of the many Pauls.
I've tried to google search about Clive, and the only thing I came up with is that on Feb. 2, 1988 he died at age 51. Couldn't find any pics.
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on Dec 29, 2005 20:07:16 GMT -5
To be fair, watching the frost interview, I feel that Faul has done a great job in copying JPM's mannerisms.
I reckon this that interview might have been Bill's benchmark for his "copying"..........
|
|
|
Post by lili on Dec 30, 2005 11:04:22 GMT -5
I think that the guy in the photo could very well be related to Brian. As far as photo doctoring is concerned, I feel the same way the SMA & Rita do. When I first started looking into PID, I was bowled over by the fact that the man that I thought was Paul, wasn't. I found myself looking at photos of Paul & my mind was rejecting him. Since I was exposed to Bill as Paul at a very young age, I found myself seeing the REAL Paul as the fraud. He couldn't be Paul McCartney. He didn't look like him < sigh > Plastic Paul, you could very well be right.
|
|