WE ARE DEAD

[fourthousandholes]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=w36iYgU2zus

OMG!!! At 5:16 - "WE ARE DEAD!"

Notice how whoever did the video starts comparing George's many faces at 5:00; then shows
George looking puzzled, and....

It repeats at 7:41. There's a lot of Bill babble as well. I hear "you are me".

Postscript 7/20/07 - I know this recording is as it was in 1967. No one has added the phrase "We are dead"
in a clever deception.

[beatlies]

"You're correct, there's nobody there."



All the Beatles killed, except for JPM, who was replaced too.

[Valis]

Dear friends I'm a bit drunk (like all of us)

So I shall only say this once

If you really want to solve this mystery research the works of David Bohm

All Love Jan

( just found out he's from the same place as 4000, are you related?)

[fourthousandholes]

David who? ;D

Nope. Never heard of him.

All right: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm

Getting back to the original intent of this thread: I find it interesting that the second
time it is said, they are watching movies of their old selves, and laughing.
I immediately flashed to Bowie's "(Is there) Life On Mars", where a girl looks at a film of her
past life; a movie she's seen many times before:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k

It's a god-awful small affair
To the girl with the mousy hair
But her mummy is yelling "No"
And her daddy has told her to go
But her friend is nowhere to be seen
Now she walks through her sunken dream
To the seat with the clearest view
And she's hooked to the silver screen
But the film is a saddening bore
For she's lived it ten times or more
She could spit in the eyes of fools
As they ask her to focus on:

Sailors fighting in the dance hall
Oh man! Look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the Lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man!
Wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show (on Mars.)
Is there life on Mars?
(etc.)
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The very song that the Dezombificator referenced to start the "Paul Is Found Where" thread
at TKIN, and a PID song if there ever was one.

The idea behind this is that you live your life on Earth, you die, you go on to the dark side of
the moon for processing, and then on to Mars, where you get to see your Earth life, and learn
from it.
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"The movie begins in five moments, "
the mindless voice announced.
"All those not seated must wait for the next show."

We filed slowly, languidly into the hall.
The auditorium was vast and silent.
After we'd sat down, it grew dark,
and the voice continued:

"The program for this evening isn't new.
You know it through and through.
You've seen birth, life and death.
You might recall all of the rest.

Did you have a good life before you died?

Enough to base a movie on?"

God! It still gives me chills!
(Above prose from The Doors, if you happen not to know.)
---------------------------------
So is this:
"We need someone new
Somethin' new
Somethin' else to get us through
Better bring your gun
Better bring your gun"
from "The Soft Parade", which sounds like the ravings of a mad man, but is clues about PID!

[Valis]

the godfather of the holographic universe theory

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm

[Valis]

www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

[Mellow Yellow]

I read once that folks who did LSD thumb prints "died" (not literally, obviously), but having never taken LSD I don't understand their meaning.

[fourthousandholes]

In the Jane Roberts books that were popular in the 1970s, where she channels an entity
named Seth, there is an instance when he addresses someone's question about if you see God
if you take LSD. (At the time that was a cliche; a kind of joke.)
His response is so scary that you would never try LSD after reading it. Basically he says that
your soul thinks it is dying when you physically ingest LSD. Your conscious mind knows what you did,
but on a deeper level the alarm bells go off, and orders are given by guardian mechanisms
of the mind to do whatever it takes to preserve the life of the body. This includes sending
new instruction codes to a person's DNA in an effort to 'survive'.
So it literally changes you. Your mind tries to adapt you to the 'false' reality.
Fortunately most trips are of too short a duration to affect permanent "bad" instructions,
but it is a dangerous gamble.
Whether or not the people who took the LSD that you reference, Mellow, showed a temporary
flat-lining on the oscilloscope or not, I don't know. It would be interesting to know how it was
determined that they had died. In any case, it might be "true" in a sense.

[fourthousandholes]

An alledged Lou Reed take on "Here Comes the Sun":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCrQJy15E_U

Umm...interesting lyrics. "Run gypsy devil run" and a bit of Quinn the Eskimo-esque joy.
("Here comes my man!")
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And then there's this little gem, unrelated to the above:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZDqzeC5pL4
Who the f** are these guys?

[Jude]

I'm confused. What's the point being made here when in fact the original "It's All Too Much" has the "we are dead" line? This isn't news to me, it's something I noticed within the first few times I heard the song.

[fourthousandholes]

The song got airplay in 1968. (It may have been released in 1967.)
They didn't sing, "Paul is dead". They sang, "We are dead". [All of them!]
For them to put out a recording that said that, at a time when everyone
thought they were all alive, is astonishing.
The public awareness of "Paul is dead" didn't hit 'til October 1969.
So why didn't we hear it back then, and say, "What?!!"
I think the answer is:
a. the record audio frequency output was just murky enough that it sounded like artistic moaning
b. if we heard it, we said, "That can't be what he said." It would have made no sense. They weren't dead, "obviously".
c. it was immersed into a "wall of sound" that made it seem like just some sort of "trippy experience"

I don't recall hearing it with the clarity that it has on the YouTube video. (choice a.)
My guess is that you heard it on a digitally remastered rendition.

[beatlies]

When he says "we are dead" again in the coda, it is followed by the same mumbling words that he said the first time, that I can't make out as to what is actually being said.

[mommybird]

4000 wrote:
The song got airplay in 1968. (It may have been released in 1967.)
They didn't sing, "Paul is dead". They sang, "We are dead". [All of them!]
For them to put out a recording that said that, at a time when everyone
thought they were all alive, is astonishing.
The public awareness of "Paul is dead" didn't hit 'til October 1969.
So why didn't we hear it back then, and say, "What?!!"
I think the answer is:
a. the record audio frequency output was just murky enough that it sounded like artistic moaning
b. if we heard it, we said, "That can't be what he said." It would have made no sense. They weren't dead, "obviously".
c. it was immersed into a "wall of sound" that made it seem like just some sort of "trippy experience"

I don't recall hearing it with the clarity that it has on the YouTube video. (choice a.)
My guess is that you heard it on a digitally remastered rendition.

Has anyone considered the possibility that George/John said that because they felt dead without Paul ? It might not mean that they were really dead at all.

[fourthousandholes]

I think you're on the right track, Mommybird.
I think that perhaps they felt that without Paul, the Beatles wouldn't be the Beatles.
Beyond that, I think their decision to quit touring was to allow them to disband,
and be replaced with the "B team" that came in in 1967.
They could then be "the grateful dead", and finally have
some time to themselves. I also think Paul needed time
to recover from some injuries he had sustained. I don't think
he was dead at that time.
Perhaps by telling the fans that they were dead, they felt that
the public would wonder about it,
and then see that the replacements weren't the original members.



Isn't that what the Pepper cover shows? That the Beatles were "dead" and "buried"?
And that they'd been replaced by the Pepper band?
(A 'Pepper pot' band: a bunch of imposters, with maybe an occaisional real member
thrown into the mix from time to time. )

And Mommybird, are you sure this song isn't about Paul?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB0nt22Sgi8
'Cause I strongly suspect that it was. And someone else too.
But, of course, if I tell you why they'd have to kill me.

[mommybird]

I just had another thought. What if by saying " we are dead" it was George/John being fatalistic. After all, they lived everyday with the fear that one slip up & they could wind up dead !
4000, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the band members were replaced by others as necessary. After all, they were all basketcases from late 1966 onwards. I don't believe that they were all replaced so that they could retire. John loved being in the limelight. I can't see him going quietly into obscurity.
I believe that "Old Friends" is about Paul Simon & Art Garfunkel looking into their own future.

[fourthousandholes]

I think that you're right; "Old Friends" was born of a discussion Simon and Garfunkel had had with
each other, but so many of their songs seem to me to be purposefully PID/PWR as well,
so I think they saw that "the shoe would fit" so to speak, and ran with it. (A dreadful pun, I know.... :

[mommybird]

From memory ( from the Bookends album ) :

TIME IT WAS, OH WHAT A TIME IT WAS
IT WAS...
A TIME OF INNOCENCE, A TIME OF CONFIDENCES
LONG AGO IT MUST BE, I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH
PRESERVE YOUR MEMORIES, THEY'RE ALL THAT'S LEFT ( TO ) YOU

That song always sent chills down my spine. Now I know why. It might not actually be about PID, but it sure does resonate within that premise.

[fourthousandholes]

Sure does.

[LOVELYRITA]

Looking at the pics of comparisons on TKIN of doubles....I am convinced they were totally replaced. All of them.

The chemistry was never like before 1966. Even in MMT, John and George just sat on the bus together, not really doing anything, just sitting.

I think they were all changed. It would explain why the music was so different. And it would explain why someone who was good looking as John was before 1967, looked so different afterwards....

[Jude]

That song is not about Paul being dead. If it was, he wouldn't be so unmistakably positive throughout the song. "The love that's shining all around"? What's he saying "Oh, Paul, I miss you, it's just all too much for me to take the love that's shining all around"?. What, have we run out of "Paul is Dead" songs so now we must attack the ones that clearly aren't?

And you know what? I really struggle with the idea that John Lennon's so-called "replacement" be it Brill or whoever else someone points the finger to had either the talent or the heart to write a song like "Julia". I am amazed that 40 years later, there are people still struggling with the idea that The Beatles CHANGED along with every other band of the 60's. They just changed. Maybe Paul got replaced. To put it realistically...he most likely didn't. But John Winston Lennon, George Harrison, and Richard Henry Parkin Starkey Jr. sure as hell were always themselves from 1963 to 1969. Period. If anyone wants to argue or get angry at me for saying this, then you're only arguing against cold logic, something that this board is beginning to lack (i.e., "Faul is Aleister Crowley's son!").

[Mellow Yellow]

Here here!

[JoJo]

But John Winston Lennon, George Harrison, and Richard Henry Parkin Starkey Jr. sure as hell were always themselves from 1963 to 1969. Period.

No argument from me.

[beatlies]

jojo said:

But John Winston Lennon, George Harrison, and Richard Henry Parkin Starkey Jr. sure as hell were always themselves from 1963 to 1969. Period.

No argument from me.

Dissent here!

"Do you ever use doubles?" Press conference question 1966

As far as Aleister Crowley goes, there are many clues as to him, Satanism and his Thelema doctrine, and Nazis that keep being noticed and smacking us right in the face, and have been discussed for a long time (for example the Sgt. Pepper clue threads.) They merit more discussion and investigation.

[Valis]

You are losing the plot at a fast rate Beatlies.

You are not about investigating, but about reinforcing a very narrow Belief System that you've clung to since at least the first time you came here.
The way you flood this board looks more like the way preachers bash us over the head with hell, and government and media with fear and terrorists.
Your worldview is unhealthy, unbalanced, leaves no hope and is IMO closer to Satanic.

I am losing patience

Time for some hope and real solutions instead of piling up the fear and paranoia.

All Love Jan

[fourthousandholes]

Jude wrote:
"That song is not about Paul being dead. If it was, he wouldn't be so unmistakably positive
throughout the song. "The love that's shining all around"?..."

You are correct, but the scene shown during the second time that "We are dead" is sung,
the scene from Magical Mystery Tour where they are watching themselves on the screen
in their early days, is, in my opinion, about them reviewing their lives, as if they were dead,
and were seeing their lives on a movie screen.
I am quite certain that that was the idea the person who timed the imagery with the words
"We are dead" was trying to convey. The life review dead people alledgedly go through.
The song "It's All Too Much" may not be about Paul being dead, but why is the phrase
"We are dead" in the song?
You could say it was just inserted into the song to pass the message along that somebody
was dead, but then if so, who was it? Who was the dead person?
If you say that Lennon, Harrison, and Starr were all alive, and the song isn't about Paul being
dead, then who is the "We" who are dead?
The answer may be the collective we. We, the human race, are dead. Maybe not dead dead,
but dead like in "dead ducks". We're screwed. We're toast. We're dead, man.
But such a happy song, as you have mentioned. The "we're toast" message doesn't fit
the cheerful melody. So there must be more to it. I'll let you think about what the explanation
for that might be.

As for:
"...cold logic, something that this board is beginning to lack (i.e., "Faul is Aleister Crowley's son!",
that was an idea put forth by someone in a YouTube video.
Is there some reason we should not discuss it? Do we know that he was not?
Do we know who Faul's father is? I see no harm in discussing any idea that's been put forth.

beatlies wrote: "Dissent here!"

Here too. I see two sets of "Beatles". Easily.
As for the Nazis: Magic is part of the story of the Beatles, but that doesn't make them
Hitler or the SS. I think the situation can best be understood as
two groups of magicians 'battling it out'.
Harry Potter/The Battle of Evermore/A never-ending battle for truth justice and the American way.
T'was ever thus. THE ONCE AND FUTURE KING(S). Oops. Sorry for shouting.

Valis wrote: "Your worldview is unhealthy, unbalanced, leaves no hope and is
IMO closer to Satanic. I am losing patience
Time for some hope and real solutions instead of piling up the fear and paranoia."

What the Beatles were all about, but the darkest hour is just before dawn. The Golden dawn.