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Post by Valis on Jul 23, 2007 21:30:24 GMT -5
Maybe it's like in the Yellow Sub movie but in reverse. We are the dead, the frozen people in Pepperland. We are the frozen, the dead, living with Pepper's surrogate band. Not being able to hear the music.
Waiting for the Capstone submarine to be connected with the pyramid again
All Love Jan
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 23, 2007 21:37:58 GMT -5
Who was the dead person? If you say that Lennon, Harrison, and Starr were all alive, and the song isn't about Paul being dead, then who is the "We" who are dead? The answer may be the collective we. We, the human race, are dead. There exists a classic interpretation that says we are all spiritually dead, being cut off from the presence of deity. -j
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 23, 2007 21:40:50 GMT -5
I agree totally with Valis and Javitronics. ;D
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Post by Jude on Jul 23, 2007 22:29:27 GMT -5
As far as Aleister Crowley goes, there are many clues as to him, Satanism and his Thelema doctrine, and Nazis that keep being noticed and smacking us right in the face, and have been discussed for a long time (for example the Sgt. Pepper clue threads.) They merit more discussion and investigation. You misunderstand me. I merely said that I think the idea of Paul being Aleister Crowley's son is a bit silly and baseless. It's not like the Aleister Crowley/occult connections start with Faul, anyway Paul signed the Paperback Writer lyrics as Ian Iachimoe. Why did he learn how to speak his name as it sounds backwards? Was he reading the Book of the Law at the time? Who knows. I am, however open to the idea of the Beatles dabbling in the occult, specifically Ringo Starr for reasons that should be obvious to you. I have recently in my mind toyed with the idea that perhaps Ringo Starr had far more influence and power in the Beatles than we will ever know. But that's just it--it's speculation, speculation that I think is worthy of being in the Ringo Starr forum or Behind the Curtain forum, but certainly not here.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 23, 2007 22:35:23 GMT -5
I am, however open to the idea of the Beatles dabbling in the occult, specifically Ringo Starr for reasons that should be obvious to you. I have recently in my mind toyed with the idea that perhaps Ringo Starr had far more influence and power in the Beatles than we will ever know. But that's just it--it's speculation, speculation that I think is worthy of being in the Ringo Starr forum or Behind the Curtain forum, but certainly not here. I would love it if you would get an occult-related thread going on Ringo. Anybody second that? -j
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 23, 2007 22:36:42 GMT -5
It's obvious that there is a Crowley connection. But I see no evidence as to Paul/Faul actually being related to the guy. I do see evidence that Paul/Faul (and John) were into Crowley.
For all we know, the backwards stuff could have first been devised to get people into (unknowingly) following the teachings of Crowley.
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Post by Jude on Jul 23, 2007 22:39:13 GMT -5
Is there some reason we should not discuss it? Do we know that he was not? Do we know who Faul's father is? I see no harm in discussing any idea that's been put forth. I guess what irks me about it is that when you get down to it, there is no, as Sun King would say, "full legal evidence" that Faul even exists. I am by no means anti-PiD, just anti-open-mindedness. The very question "Do we know who Faul's father is" necessitates that there is a Faul. I'm not naming names, but someone people need to stop drinking the PiD community Kool-Aid and stop and question their beliefs once in a while. I can find tons of reasons to think Paul was replaced...and very many to believe he never died or was replaced in the first place. I know I should bite my tongue, but I'm a bit disgusted when we move beyond the realm of theoretical and start building insane theories upon our theories. Paul being replaced by a look-alike and sound-alike? Intriguing! I want to know the truth! Paul being replaced by a look-alike and sound-alike that is also the son of the most famous occultist in history? Umm....not so much.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 23, 2007 22:44:46 GMT -5
Jeriatrics wrote: I would love it if you would get an occult-related thread going on Ringo. Anybody second that?
I do. We never (hardly) look at Ringo in all of this.
No one does, actually....
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Post by Jude on Jul 24, 2007 0:46:24 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 24, 2007 0:56:37 GMT -5
I guess what irks me about it is that when you get down to it, there is no, as Sun King would say, "full legal evidence" that Faul even exists. I am by no means anti-PiD, just anti-open-mindedness. The very question "Do we know who Faul's father is" necessitates that there is a Faul. I'm not naming names, but someone people need to stop drinking the PiD community Kool-Aid and stop and question their beliefs once in a while. I can find tons of reasons to think Paul was replaced...and very many to believe he never died or was replaced in the first place. I know I should bite my tongue, but I'm a bit disgusted when we move beyond the realm of theoretical and start building insane theories upon our theories. Paul being replaced by a look-alike and sound-alike? Intriguing! I want to know the truth! Paul being replaced by a look-alike and sound-alike that is also the son of the most famous occultist in history? Umm....not so much. BRAVO! Did I say bravo? Cuz I meant to say BRAVO!! -j
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Post by mommybird on Jul 24, 2007 11:36:26 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me how Ian Iachimoe is Paul McCartney backwards
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Post by JoJo on Jul 24, 2007 12:25:02 GMT -5
You take a recording of someone saying "Paul McCartney", and then reverse it. (play it backwards)
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Post by mommybird on Jul 24, 2007 14:43:34 GMT -5
I can see Paul doing that to be cute. Don't forget that he was in constant competition with John who frequently played word games, and was an expert of the double entendre. I honestly don't think Paul using that as his nome de plume has to have any kind of occult significance.
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Post by Valis on Jul 24, 2007 19:35:35 GMT -5
Beatlies,
I did it. Stop bothering other people and come to me if you're frustrated. Still love you despite all the BS
All Love Jan
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 25, 2007 17:05:14 GMT -5
I'm detecting some hostility, and I missed what the argument was about....
Just trying to figure out what is going on, from observation...not sure what it is...
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 25, 2007 20:11:07 GMT -5
Paul signed the Paperback Writer lyrics as Ian Iachimoe. Why did he learn how to speak his name as it sounds backwards? Was he reading the Book of the Law at the time? Iachimoe? Iacchus is a demi-god, or daimon, in Greek mythology. He is generally portrayed bearing a torch, a light bringer. He leads the Eleusian Mysteries. Crowley writes extensively about Iacchus. -j
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 25, 2007 20:20:33 GMT -5
And Luciver is the light-bringer, he he not?
Morning star.... I've never been able to understand that whole thing.
I mean, if the OT says Lucifer is the morning star/light bringer... and the NT says Jesus is the morning star/bringer of light... Who are the Christians really worshipping?
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 25, 2007 20:27:33 GMT -5
Venus ;D
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 25, 2007 20:38:05 GMT -5
And Luciver is the light-bringer, he he not? Morning star.... I've never been able to understand that whole thing. I mean, if the OT says Lucifer is the morning star/light bringer... and the NT says Jesus is the morning star/bringer of light... Who are the Christians really worshipping? Lucifer is the Latin name for Venus, the morning star. He is historically a good guy. The word does not appear in the Hebrew Old Testament; it appears in the Latin Vulgate and in the English King James Bible, arguably as a mistranslation, and is the source of Lucifer becoming an epithet for the devil. So Paul "Ramone" McCartney is Mars, and Venus is Lucifer, and Venus and Mars are alright tonight. Did I get that right? -j
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