|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 4, 2007 18:28:02 GMT -5
I am interested in having a deeper look at The Beatles lyrics, (as well as lyrics of other bands associated with The Beatles). The premise I would like to take is that the surface message of the poetry exists for the purpose of masking an obscured subtextual message. For example, consider the following: First letters of roads expressly need capitalization. Elevating and venerating elite nouns, uppercasing endows importance. Sloppy typographic "highway errors" are not spotted without exercising rigor. If you look closely, you will see that it also says: "Florence Avenue is the answer." (The first two words of the text tell you how to find the hidden message). There are sooooooooo many different ways to wrap a subtext up inside a surface text. We really really really need to learn to think outside the Beethovens and Mozarts, er, I mean the Bachs. If we don't learn to think differently I think we have very little chance of decoding whatever may be hiding in plain sight; instead we will continue to be MISLEAD by the surface messages. -j |
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on Jul 4, 2007 19:01:13 GMT -5
I've dabbled in this one a bit, e.g. your example. No payoff, but maybe I didn't try hard enough, who knows. ...a tune, and I'll try not not to sing out a key... OK, I know the the printed lyrics say "of", but Ringo is a bit vague when you listen. A key is necessary to unscramble an encrypted message. Oh no, you gotta find the key and then figure out what to unscramble in the first place?! Yikes, it don't come easy indeed! ;D  |
|
|
|
Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 4, 2007 19:05:05 GMT -5
Apollo would be spinning in his grave.....if he were really really dead.
It's there for all to see, seems to be his message.
It's just that you have to be shown. Or have ears to hear.
Don't be long, oh don't you be very long, please don't be long
don't belong don't belong don't belong
|
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 4, 2007 19:27:13 GMT -5
I've dabbled in this one a bit, e.g. your example. No payoff, but maybe I didn't try hard enough, who knows. ...a tune, and I'll try not not to sing out a key... OK, I know the the printed lyrics say "of", but Ringo is a bit vague when you listen. A key is necessary to unscramble an encrypted message. Oh no, you gotta find the key and then figure out what to unscramble in the first place?! Yikes, it don't come easy indeed! ;D It's the first letters. The words are only there so the first letter of each word can spell out the hidden message. The actual text could say anything; it is misdirection, (though it is fun for the surface message to "relate" to the subtext, in this case by talking about roads). -j |
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 5, 2007 10:24:02 GMT -5
Apollo would be spinning in his grave.....if he really were dead. It's there for all to see, seems to be his message. It's just that you have to be shown. Or have ears to hear. Don't be long, oh don't you be very long, please don't be long don't belong don't belong don't belong Be long. Belong. Beautiful. This kind of thinking is sweet. Magical Mystery Tour Magic Al. Mister E. Two are. -j |
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 6, 2007 12:47:59 GMT -5
Apollo would be spinning in his grave.....if he really were dead. It's there for all to see, seems to be his message. It's just that you have to be shown. Or have ears to hear. Don't be long, oh don't you be very long, please don't be long don't belong don't belong don't belong Be long. Belong. Beautiful. This kind of thinking is sweet. Magical Mystery Tour Magic Al. Mister E. Two are. -j Okay I was just messing around with this "Magic Al Mister E Two Are" business, then today I learned that in August of 1967, George and Patti, Neil Aspinall, and Jenni Boyd took a tour of Haight-Ashbury accompanied by somebody named Alex The Magician. This took place three weeks before Brian's death. The Beatles had already recorded the song Magical Mystery Tour, but had yet to record The Fool On The Hill, Flying, Blue Jay Way, I Am the Walrus, and Hello Goodbye. Those were all recorded in September/October, after Brian was gone. Who is this Alex the Magician? (I did a cursory search on google but the result set is too cluttered with present-day acts of that name). Magic Al = Alex the Magician? Mister E = Brian? Two are = ? WTF??? -j |
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on Jul 6, 2007 17:25:35 GMT -5
Wouldn't Alex The Magician be Magic Alex? I'm just asking because he was on the MMT bus, which was filmed soon after.
It looks like two are flying, and two are not flying
John, when asked to comment on the Pepper cover.
Maybe nothing to do with this, just reminded me is all.
|
|
|
|
Post by brotherdave on Jul 6, 2007 17:40:42 GMT -5
Magic Alex, was a wizard @ electronic and other sound(s) at least he thought so |
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 6, 2007 17:56:48 GMT -5
Wouldn't Alex The Magician be Magic Alex? I'm just asking because he was on the MMT bus, which was filmed soon after. It looks like two are flying, and two are not flyingNow I've got to watch MMT; I've never seen it. I have often wondered if FLYING was a way of saying F*CKING LYING, (just like how Ephgrave could be Epitaph-Grave). In the Sgt Pepper close-ups it looks to me like Ringo's pupils fill his entire cornea. Is he tripping balls? George looks wasted in almost all the pictures. -j |
|
|
|
Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 6, 2007 18:43:15 GMT -5
Oh, and then Octopus' Garden refers to OG ?
Normally associated with cavemen.
Song sung by Ringo who starred in a movie called "Caveman".
|
|
|
|
Post by ccinri on Jul 6, 2007 19:29:50 GMT -5
I just heard that again Jojo in an interview about the Pepper cover...two were flying and two were not...John says that it's an inside joke and that two did not share with the other two.
I guess it was Ringo and George!
|
|
|
|
Post by beatlies on Jul 10, 2007 0:32:14 GMT -5
|
|
gar
Hard Day's Night 
Posts: 26
|
Post by gar on Jul 13, 2007 7:50:20 GMT -5
There are sooooooooo many different ways to wrap a subtext up inside a surface text. We really really really need to learn to think outside the Beethovens and Mozarts, er, I mean the Bachs. Speaking of Bach, I just read in the Dutch book Grijsgedraaid by Leo Blokhuis that The Beatles' Blackbird is inspired bij Bourée in E Minor by Johann Sebastian Bach. I went looking for that music and found that Back used numerology to 'hide' messages in his music, including his own name as a 'signature'. B is 2, A is 1, C is 3 and H is 8. The total is 14. 14, and its mirror, 41, were among Bach's favorite numbers. When written out, these numbers supposedly appear countless of times within the notes and musical structure of Bach's music. The Matthew Passion supposedly is one big collection of musical messages... has anybody ever looked into the structure and notes of the Beatles' song material looking for clues? |
|
|
|
Post by mommybird on Jul 13, 2007 13:41:13 GMT -5
Jarvitronics wrote:
Now I've got to watch MMT; I've never seen it.
I have often wondered if FLYING was a way of saying F*CKING LYING, (just like how Ephgrave could be Epitaph-Grave).
In the Sgt Pepper close-ups it looks to me like Ringo's pupils fill his entire cornea. Is he tripping balls? George looks wasted in almost all the pictures.
I have to agree, my dear. George looks totally wasted in those photos. Your interpretation of FLYING is very intriguing. I find you to be a breath of fresh air to this forum ! ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 14, 2007 18:07:18 GMT -5
Here is another example of a surface text wrapping up a subtext. Consider the sentence:
"I am fair oak, a peer amid the lost rams."
You could paraphrase that as, "I'm a middle of the road commoner, a friend and fellow traveler with the other clueless sheep."
Or you could look past the surface and see:
I am pharaoh, a pyramid, the lost Rams(es).
Look Deep.
-j
|
|
Jude
Hard Day's Night
Acting Naturally
Posts: 34
|
Post by Jude on Jul 15, 2007 1:09:14 GMT -5
Umm...those are just sentences that sound like other sentences.
Somehow I just can't imagine anyone choosing to hide messages in
such an obscure way.
|
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 15, 2007 12:18:38 GMT -5
Umm...those are just sentences that sound like other sentences. Somehow I just can't imagine anyone choosing to hide messages in such an obscure way. Paul was Saul (Acts 9). Then Sol became pall. -j |
|
Jude
Hard Day's Night
Acting Naturally
Posts: 34
|
Post by Jude on Jul 17, 2007 15:37:29 GMT -5
Oookkaaayy...
|
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 17, 2007 15:47:58 GMT -5
Heh. My point with the Saul/Sol Paul/Pall thing was just to show that there are double meanings all around us. Whether or not one ascribes any meaning to them is another matter. Did you see my post about the pall/paul tsadie/sadie connection? Here is the meat of it. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=1164661855&page=16 Remember the Aries (Ram) symbol and the Hebrew Tsadie?   In the special language of heraldic blazons, (the text used to describe coats of arms), this "Y" device is called a PALL.  It is fitting that this symbol illustrates a branching - perhaps it symbolizes forks in the road? Choices? Splittings off? Partings of the way? From the St. Paul/Pall perspective, there does appear to be a fork between Acts 9:27 and Luke 21:8, Mark 13:21-22, et al. The Beatles have crafted strong allusions between Paul McCartney and Saint Paul, (Decapitation, 64, etc.), as well as Apollo. The Biblical and mythological symbolism is thick like lemmings. -j |
|
|
|
Post by beatlies on Jul 17, 2007 17:38:05 GMT -5
ROLE up, ROLE up for the mystery tour.
ROLE up, ROLE up for the mystery tour.
The magical Mister E tour is hoping to take you away
DYING to take you away
DYING to take you away, take you away........
|
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 17, 2007 21:39:54 GMT -5
ROLE up, ROLE up for the mystery tour. ROLE up, ROLE up for the mystery tour. The magical Mister E tour is hoping to take you away DYING to take you away DYING to take you away, take you away........ Hey that's the Magic Al(ex) Mister E Tour. Two are? To war? -j |
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 19, 2007 11:58:48 GMT -5
Interviewer: What is the meaning of Sgt Pepper? What were The Beatles trying to say?
George Harrison: We were talking about the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion. And the time will come when you will see we're all one.
-j
|
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Jul 29, 2007 16:37:59 GMT -5
So we've got REVOLVER, which when it is revolved is REVerse LOVER. And it was during the REV-LOVER sessions that the first BACKward recording was put on the BACK of Paper BACK-WRITER.
Zap!
The pfun doesn't stop. Drop the R and you get EVOLVER. Drop both R's and you get EVOLVE; so REVOLVER could mean the Beatles were getting ready to take some R&R, and to EVOLVE, literally, "in the middle of R&R."
They released Revolver, then they immediately quit touring and gave us Sgt Pepper.
-j
|
|
