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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 19, 2007 20:37:19 GMT -5
Hmkay.. This is a strange one: I came across a link today labeled 'get everything you want', which lead me to a site which I scanned quickly and bookmarked to read later. Later in the day I came across another link called 'The Secret' and, not realising the two were linked, I clicked and was eventually taken to a video... www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1GKGWJbE8thesgrprogram.com/special.php?a_id=13017I read through the comments posted, the usual dialectic of pros v cons, and I'm still not really very sure what to make of it all - at the moment I'm not really thinking much of utilising this 'secret' but one thing that immediately crossed my mind was 'Dig it' and John's 'War is over - if you want it' philosophy... "If you want it, you can get it and you can get it, if you want it - so come on!"Is this the significance behind the song? Was John trying to turn people on to 'the secret' as they're now calling it? "Like the FBI, and the CIA and the BBC, BB King and Doris Day. Matt Busby, dig it..."If this idea of "...you can get it if you want it, all you gotta do is ask for it..." actually works, and is in fact implemented by successful people around the globe, then the above personages would probably be practicing it, non? Is John simply reeling off a list of people and groups that use 'the secret' as a means of attaining success from day to day? Taken from 'Dig It' (29 Jan) [Thirty Days Vol. 13, track 10] 0:14-3:24 "Well can you dig it?
Well can you dig it?
Can you dig it in the morning?
Can you dig it in the evening?
Come on!
[If you] got it, you can give it, and if you get it, and if you want it, come on.
Well if you got it, you can give it, and you can get it if you want it, come on!
Like the FBI
and the BBC
and Doris Day.
Matt Busby, dig it!
Well can you dig it?
Well can you dig it?
Can you dig it in the morning,
dig it every night and day?
Come on dig it in the morning,
and dig it every night and day.
Ooh, ooh...
Come on, come on.
Come on, come on.
Like a rolling stone...
Dig it!
Everybody wants it,
everybody come and get it.
Dig it all day, dig it all night.
Dig it all day, dig it all night.
Well every day is like a week, and every week is like a day,
well you can dig it.
Dig it every night and day.
Well every month is like a year, and every year is like a month.
Well, come and get it!
Can't do without it.
Dig it every night and day..
Ah-ah-ah-ah,
now-now-now-now,
now-now-now-now.
Na-na-na-na-na,
na-na-na-na-na,
na-na-na-na-na,
na-na-na-na-na.
Now now now now. Come on and dig it!
Dig it every night and day.
Dig it every time of day,
you can dig it for breakfast, dig it for your tea,
you can dig it in the morning, dig it for dinner,
any time you want it, you just come and get it..."Now after viewing the video at youtube and looking a little deeper into the idea, these lyrics seem more like a message - perhaps even instructions on 'how to get what you want'. Replace 'dig' with 'think about' and its a pretty close match. I'm not suggesting that this idea actually works, or even saying that it doesn't work - merely wondering if John believed, and whether this was the point of the song? Anyway, my old man's woken up and he's pissed - so I'd better wrap this up quick and say goodnight, so - goodnight... Dig it!  tfDi |
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Post by B on Sept 19, 2007 20:59:22 GMT -5
The Deceptionist wrote:
"Taken from 'Dig It' (29 Jan) [Thirty Days Vol. 13, track 10] 0:14-3:24"
Is that something from the Anthology?
Most of us know this snippet from the "Let It Be" album:
Like a Rolling Stone (twice)
Like the CIA
And the FBI
and the BBC
B.B. King
and Doris Day.
Matt Busby, dig it!
Dig it! Dig it!
The interpretation here has generally been that the government organizations are behind the
elimination of and replacement of well-known individuals, such as "a Rolling Stone" (Brian Jones),
Doris Day, B.B. King and Matt Busby.
I don't know if you could read "the secret" into the lyrics you posted, but it doesn't seem to
apply to what was on "Let It Be". Certainly John believed in "War is over, if you want it".
I would think that that would relate to some of what they learned from the Maharishi -
that the physical world reflects inward thought and spiritual intent, in some measure.
I don't think John was trying to tell us that the CIA knew "the secret". Government agencies are
bumbling bureaucracies that serve the Illuminati, for the most part. They would not be a good
example of "the secret" put to use. All one need do is look at the plans of the Project For
A New American Century to see a total failure of what wishful thinking by a bunch of government
operatives results in.
I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Lennon believed in "power to the people!",
not government manipulation of reality as a model to emulate.
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 19, 2007 21:01:08 GMT -5
Does that philosophy work with the "McCartney" song that Badfinger recorded "Come and Get it?"
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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 20, 2007 3:50:45 GMT -5
Most of us know this snippet from the "Let It Be" album... - here is the version I quoted in its entirety, one of four separate versions recorded by the camera tapes during the Get Back sessions. The version that 'Let It Be' takes it's [woefully short] 48 seconds from differs slightly from this one although the sentiment and important lines remain near enough the same. www.badongo.com/file/4424631 - this is a longer [4:24] version of the 48 second LIB cut, this one is already edited down from a hefty 15 minutes [the cut bits are just Heather wailing a la Yoko over the instruments for ages] and is taken from Glyn John's 'Get Back - with Don't Let Me Down and 12 other songs'. I believe this is the version that made it into the movie, hence the snippet on the LP and inclusion on the original Glyn Johns comp. Is that something from the Anthology? is the abridged collection of the January 1969 tapes [it cuts out the superfluous and 'uninteresting' [sic] parts [breakdowns, going-nowhere jams and general chatting] that can be found on 'A/B road' - the full January '69 collection]. The interpretation here has generally been that the government organizations are behind the elimination of and replacement of well-known individuals... That I'm not going to debate or question, as its a nice theory - this is just another one to throw out there; as I posted on another thread earlier - multiples layers, double meanings - who can say how many different themes and ideas were intended in any one Beatles song? [Especially where John was concerned] What's the old saying.. two birds with one stone? Why not write about the government replacements, shroud it in surrealism and then wrap it up in a semi-esoteric theosophy with all manner of tid-bits squashed in-between like an aural pass-the-parcel? I don't know if you could read "the secret" into the lyrics you posted, but it doesn't seem to apply to what was on "Let It Be" To me the whole song smacks of 'the secret' [is there a better name I can give 'the secret' as typing out 'the secret' every time is getting a bit much and it doesn't read too well]; I don't know how best I can demonstrate this if you don't already see it  Certainly John believed in "War is over, if you want it". I would think that that would relate to some of what they learned from the Maharishi - that the physical world reflects inward thought and spiritual intent, in some measure. Right!  Thats what I was getting from this whole 'the secret' gig. This version of 'the secret' is, as far as I can tell, just another Westernised re-hash of old Eastern ideas and philosophies that some clever so-and-so has just thought of remarketing with a book, tape and video [undoubtedly they won't be selling you the 'whole' secret - just enough to make you crave more I'd assume]. To me 'the secret' doesn't seem to be anything new, just one more 'spiritually wholesome' way to live, courtesy of the far east lol.
I don't think John was trying to tell us that the CIA knew "the secret". Government agencies are bumbling bureaucracies that serve the Illuminati, for the most part.
Well, as far as I can tell 'the secret' is one of the great illuminati secrets. It would make sense. The visuals at the beginning of the video imply this, but lets not just go on implications - they explicitly say later on that the world governments are and always have been aware of 'the secret' but that they chose not to reveal it to their citizens - why? They're greedy fuckers, we all know that by now.
They would not be a good example of "the secret" put to use. All one need do is look at the plans of the Project For A New American Century to see a total failure of what wishful thinking by a bunch of government operatives results in. I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Lennon believed in "power to the people!", not government manipulation of reality as a model to emulate.
Who is really failing though? Not the government, not the NWO; those in the upper elite circles aren't witnessing a failure on their part by any means - far from it, their plan is working fine: You and I are poor as paupers, they have their phoney war, widespread panic, 'terror' alerts and subservient peasants to wine and dine them as they write two scripts for the coming century - one for the initiated and one for the common stock. If you were a morally abhorrent, politically corrupt head of state would you use 'the secret' for yourself or for the people? For your own fraternity, or for the country you inhabit? Lets face it, should 'the secret' be something tangible then 'peace on earth' would not be its immediate use, simply because that is the last thing on the minds of those who would theoretically wield the knowledge... and knowledge is power - so:
Lets for a minute imagine that 'Dig It' means what I think it means. What could John have been trying to achieve with this song? Unveiling 'the secret' - giving the knowledge [power] to the people, fighting fire with fire so to speak, not emulating the corrupt model but rather countering it and diminishing the power it holds for those who already use and abuse it. "...nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game..." [just a thought].
Whew, my head hurts...
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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 20, 2007 5:06:47 GMT -5
Does that philosophy work with the "McCartney" song that Badfinger recorded "Come and Get it?" I'm not so well-versed with that song, but the thought had crossed my mind as I wrote the first post out. How does it go.. "If you want it, here it is, come and get it. Better hurry cause it might not last.." some of the lines are similar to ones found in 'Dig It' but it doesn't appear to contain the same message - plus, its Faul - and he's evil remember? ;D [dont anybody get on their high horses over that, I'm only kidding lol]. In all honesty I've never paid much thought to the song.. I'll put it on later over tea and a biscuit and ponder some... "...did I hear you say that there must be a catch..?" |
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 20, 2007 8:33:16 GMT -5
How does it go.. "If you want it, here it is, come and get it. Better hurry cause it might not last.." some of the lines are similar to ones found in 'Dig It' but it doesn't appear to contain the same message Yeah, I thought that as well. It does seem to be more about money, power and greed, selling your soul and all that! It could almost be a riposte. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Sept 20, 2007 10:16:50 GMT -5
I think the "Like A Rolling Stone" line was a reference to Dylan being replaced, not Brian Jones. Jones was killed as a result of his knowledge of JPM in my opinion but I've seen no evidence of a replacement.
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Post by mommybird on Sept 20, 2007 14:04:08 GMT -5
I agree about Dylan. I think that Brian Jones was one of the "examples" that they made, in order to keep the others in line.  |
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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 24, 2007 20:12:10 GMT -5
I came across a link today labeled 'get everything you want', which lead me to a site which I scanned quickly and bookmarked to read later. On further reading, this site [the newest incarnation of an older idea] appears to be yet another get-rich-quick-by-sending-us-lots-of-money scheme. However, you can download the 1910 Wallace D Wattles book 'The Science of Getting Rich' which Bob Proctor's $1995 'program' is mainly based on for free - here: www.megaupload.com/?d=X2QJ2B2G ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attractionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Wattles |
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Post by TotalInformation on Sept 24, 2007 23:12:31 GMT -5
dig it, get it, grok it
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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 29, 2007 23:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by B on Sept 30, 2007 8:20:37 GMT -5
Previous post enlarged (and edited) for easy reference.  Orange words inserted by me.thedeceptionist wrote: " groups.google.com/group/alt.music.pink-floyd/msg/f16ed584a0642821Jul 26 2006, 8:23 am - a_rod_777 wrote: This is the Ouroborus. It doesn't matter what you think - you are still trapped in its grip. It is a serpent which feeds off of its own ever-growing tale. (tail) All energy in life is neither created nor destroyed; it only changes form. This is a universal law; it is karma. The only way to break its grip is to cease all thought at once. Perhaps there is a specific TIME to do this? And perhaps that TIME is approaching, and the sign that it is near, is that the reality that we now have has the ability to communicate across the globe. This technology only comes around once a cycle; then it is washed away for the next civilization to manifest. Perhaps there is a clock in the stars and that is the true meaning of all astrology? There are certainly a lot of Astrological signs in the Pink Floyd artwork - not to mention Syd was very good at manifesting his reality. He had very good control over his mind and emotions. He had the world, and he gave it all up to be a humble man working in the garden, or painting beautiful pictures, which he chose not to sell. What does that tell you about true wealth?
And when I said the secret of life was to "Believe in what you want your
world to be", would it have been better-phrased if I had said, "Focus
your emotions and thoughts on what you want your world to be, and believe
it has already happened; and stay in that joyous feeling constantly"?
Never let anyone or anything pull you out of that state.
Here is an example: If you wanted a million bucks, and it would truly
make you happy, stay focused on yourself already having a million bucks,
and spending it, and especially (especially) that great feeling you have
while you are spending it; not on the feeling of you wanting a million bucks.
(That will only manifest more of you wanting it instead of having it... comprende?)
Write it down, and fall in love with the idea. Feel like you deserve it;
train your mind to believe you already have it. Think, talk and walk
like a person who has a lot of money. Say to yourself every day:
"Man I must be a magnet for money, becasue it comes so easily and effortlessly!"
Just try it. What could you lose?
And no, I don't have a million bucks; I am currently focused on something
much more important and less superficial than my own personal monetary gain.
(Oh, of course!  )
I believe money is actually a trap to make us BELIEVE there are not
enough resources to go around. It is a lie, and a virus that keeps us
from experiencing the plentiful energies and sustanance all around us.11:11 is a doorway... a way out of these chains. Even if people are given the chance to be free, would they take it? Or would they be too afraid, or too comfortable, to leave their cells? Why is it we only use 5-10% of our minds? Do you think that is natural? Did you ever consider the possibility that we were bred and raised to be ignorant and dumbed down? What will happen when we do finally use 100% of our brains? DO AS I ASK AND YOU WILL KNOW THAT WHAT I SAY IS THE TRUTH!
And if you think I am nuts, I just want you to know that Einstein, Newton,
Alexander Grahm Bell, George Washington, Plato, Hitler, Jesus, The Buddha,
Da Vinci, Martin Luther King Jr., Elvis, John Lennon, and even all 5 members
of Pink Floyd, know this secret, and use it all the time.
Basically just about every major historical figure since the dawn of time
has known and practiced these principles. The diffrence between you and them
is only the fact that they were able to control their inner thoughts
and emotions, and they were very good at avoiding anything that produced
a negative reality to them; and you let your emotions and thoughts be
controlled by outer circumstances which ultimately lead you on a downward spiral.[/i] Put yourself on an upward spiral. Once you have mastered this, then we can talk about if we want out. the man in the dream -ant ------------ Talk about that damned synchronicity again, eh? "
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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 30, 2007 12:21:01 GMT -5
ta very much LB ;D ... this synchronicity thing has really been weirding me out recently ... destiny, synchronicity, coincidence or just plain subjective validation?
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Post by horseloverphat on Sept 30, 2007 12:36:31 GMT -5
"11:11 is a doorway... a way out of these chains."
If only.....
well...i'd say they are MKUltra trigger codes for sleeper agents....not a good thing really.
hence the mass inclusion in Hollyweird propaganda (Mel Gibson one of the worst offenders)....sometimes known as 'Movies'...In the film CONFIDENCE, over 30 instances of double eleven code MKULTRA reinforcment commands.
Cos...that is what they are!
In fact....you can correlate most of the output of Hollywood over the last 50 years with US foreign policy over the same time period (death being the over-riding factor).....fun game that one!
You need to get your soul in-line with the etheric heirarchy.....people.
Not really possible through mass media.....i'm afraid....well not in my opinion.
Each to their own though.
I'm for LOVE....on the etheric/soul level as opposed to the intellect, the intellect can only take you so far....and that is not far enough.
Feel it...don't think it.
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Post by horseloverphat on Sept 30, 2007 15:15:41 GMT -5
"All energy in life is neither created
nor destroyed; it only changes form."
1st law of thermodynamics.
yup....and the form is......love or hate, positive or negative, life or death.
The choice is yours...which does your 'soul' embrace?
It's a 50:50 call.
Me, I'm a biophile or at least I try to be....but it seems, necrophilia shades it on this rock... we call Earth.....judging by the last few hundred years.
at least on the physical material plane.....anyways.
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Thats what I was getting from this whole 'the secret' gig. This version of 'the secret' is, as far as I can tell, just another Westernised re-hash of old Eastern ideas and philosophies 
Orange words inserted by me.
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