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Post by jonna on Apr 17, 2004 9:37:18 GMT -5
hahahahaha yeah good point
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Post by angie on Apr 17, 2004 10:25:15 GMT -5
i agree with that to a certain extent Larry, no-one can be expected to remember everything but when its stories that they have been telling over and over to different reporters for years you tend to remember those things. the only one that seems to change details a lot is Paul. I find that Faul seems to have a habit of changing not only details on past Beatles events, he also seems to change his viewpoint of what those events mean to him personally. I'll grant that people do change over time and that we all have faulty memories, *no pun indended whatsoever * but what I meant by Faul having a selective memory was not that he couldn't remember what might have happened in his prior life *possibly* as a policeman. what I meant was that he refers to 'breaking down in investigations.' Could that be a reference to his life a policeman before replacing Paul? Had that really been the case; would he sneak in a clue about it in that song? Maybe it is a clue. the point I was trying to make was that if Faul happened to be fired or maybe asked to resign; then he might prefer not to admit that...it might be easier for him to claim that he'd quit the Police Department! I'm looking for some meaning in the Beatles songs that might help explain Faul's past. It's difficult to get an accurate picture of what that past might be. To be fair, nobody likes to brag about past job failures. even if there is a clue in "She came in through the bathroom window"; human nature dictates that Faul would rather polish that clue up a little before planting it. I don't know of anybody who goes into a job interview determined to "highlight" past career failures on their resume, or verbally to their potential Employer. As for lapses in memory; yes that happens to everyone. I, for example, seem to have temporarily misplaced my manners in my introductory post, a couple of day's ago! fortunately...I found them. ;D
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 17, 2004 11:09:57 GMT -5
LOL yes Jonna, and Paul has continued to smoke his doobies throughout the years and, as far as anyone knows, he's still smoking them today so that may have a play in it as well...hahaha. Good, interesting post LarryC. But I dunno; when it comes to art that I was personally involved with, I can usually remember what was involved in the creation proccess, no matter how loopy I was during that time-period. Although there have been a couple of times when I've run across a 35+yr old painting I did, ...and I don't remember it. But that's very rare. That evil weed does evil things to the mind...or so I'm told...I can't remember. ;D I find the evil effects of decades worth of mass propaganda & lies to be far worse! (don't get me started.... that's for another forum!)
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Post by jonna on Apr 17, 2004 12:21:48 GMT -5
As for lapses in memory; yes that happens to everyone. I, for example, seem to have temporarily misplaced my manners in my introductory post, a couple of day's ago! fortunately...I found them. ;D no-one will hold that against you. we all have our days
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Post by DarkHorse on Apr 17, 2004 20:27:18 GMT -5
Going back to the original posts I'd like to add some comments. Not only that, notice how he says that he was the one who told you about the fool on the hill. Is "Fool On The Hill" a John composition? Probably. It sure wasn't Faul. This wouldn't be the first time Faul sang a John composition. "Getting Better" also seems to be written by John. I used to be cruel to my woman I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she lovedTEXTMaybe a little confession from John? I agree about that part in Getting Better being John's lyrics. There were many rumors he beat Cynthia and so that would mean those lyrics make sense. Could anyone imagine Paul writing that? Fool On the Hill seems to be a hard one to figure out in terms of who sang it. Well it doesn't sound like the same voice on 'Fixing A Hole' or 'Lovely Rita' and it doesn't sound like Faul and definitely not Paul. Then who is it is the question. It COULD be George as a few speculated but listening to it again and again I don't think it is. It's most likely an imitator we haven't heard of. Also, Oh! Darling may have been written by John and sung by Faul. John stated in an interview once that he could have sung it better. The lyrics and the style sound much more like John than something Paul would write imo. When you told me you didn't need me anymore Well you know I nearly broke down and cried When you told me you didn't need me anymore Well you know I nearly broke down and died
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Post by Doc on Apr 18, 2004 2:26:29 GMT -5
Fool on the Hill is lovely but has that ever so slight "helium" sound to it---and I think it was not helium, but just ever so slightly sped up. Maybe just a half step or less, like a quarter tone. Just my opinioin. Love the sng---but it is the most elusive (IMO) to judge the timbre (tone quality).
****If I use the term "ever so slightly" just one more time, I'm going to write myself up on another "annoying redundancies" charge. How many points down is that per offense? Anybody got the handbook?
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Post by LarryC on Apr 19, 2004 6:27:56 GMT -5
Good, interesting post LarryC. But I dunno; when it comes to art that I was personally involved with, I can usually remember what was involved in the creation proccess, no matter how loopy I was during that time-period. Although there have been a couple of times when I've run across a 35+yr old painting I did, ...and I don't remember it. But that's very rare. I find the evil effects of decades worth of mass propaganda & lies to be far worse! (don't get me started.... that's for another forum!) Here's another multiplier that I failed to think about...must be all the residuals from the doobies I smoked in my younger days..hehe...but compound all of this with marathon tours of hundreds of cities where there were press conferences around every corner asking the same questions over and over again, most of them very lame questions to boot. The touring alone would be enough to zap your mind, and the touring went on long after the Beatles broke up as well. But the press conferences everywhere they went, exclusive interviews, etc., had to be a major distraction for them. At least we don't have any record of them pulling a trick like our little Italian friend from another forum..."Before you ask me that question, please read all of our interviews in Life Magazine." My primary profession has been flying helicopters since 1977. I cannot tell you how many flights I've made withouth referring to my flight log, but I generally have a good idea of how much total flight time I have...somewhere in the neighborhood of just over 10,000 hours, and about 2500 hours in airplanes, 1500 of that in multiengine. But as to the details of most of the flights I've made, I have problems remembering them in many cases, especially those that took place in the 70's and 80's. There ARE some rather memorable events which took place that I would rather like to forget, like being shot at by Iraqi anit-aircraft missiles, or the time my initial flight instructor burried his knuckles into the top of my left thigh because I didn't add enough left pedal on a particular maneuver. About how the song Help! came about, I think it would be silly for us to expect anyone but John Lennon to have a good recollection of how that happened since it was his song in the first place. Anyways, there are some good arguments on both sides of the coin, I just wanted to add my 2 bits worth. Sometimes it's really easy to read things into a situation, like someone propogating that I'm some kind of government functionary who is trained as a disinformation specialist. HAHAHA. I'm just another guy who has opinions like anyone else, and we know how opinions are...well we won't go there right now. ;D
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Post by Doc on Apr 19, 2004 15:26:44 GMT -5
Well, point taken. At one point I guess during the posting enschløss (no sphreche ze Deutsche) I suppose suspicions ran high that nearly everybody might be a secret agent (!?!!) workin' for "them" (who?!?!) , the CIA/FBI/NWA/MI6. (the what?!?!?)
(a) surely they stay pretty busy on other things. (b) 200 agents, One Sun King? How'd I get here?(incorrect buzzer) (c) all these people have lives being otherwise engaged with full time jobs, pursuits, hobies, (d) a real agancy sweep would have blown it all down in minutes
So, I think we are all mainly regular (well, I paint with a broad brush) people; we are "civilians" who found the topic interesting.
So much for the "operatives" theory. Moving along.
Larry, I'm impressed with your your flying record. You must especially love your chopper hours. So much time----you live life from a different vantage point.
I have a few friends that pursued piloting. They got their liscense (smalll plane) and flew for a couple years, lost interest and stopped. It isn't for everybody. It ain't for me. I am already Mr. Magoo on the highway. They don't need me in the air. Yikes! Nerves of bamboo!
Oh, flight attendant, can I have a bloody mary? Do you know how to fly this thing? Have you got a Tylenol PM? Can I switch to a ailse seat? Will you just slug me unconsious for about 2 hours?
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Post by JoJo on Apr 19, 2004 17:16:48 GMT -5
Wise choice of words there Doc! That pretty much sums it up. And we are all giving pure opinion most of the time, no serving it dressed up as "fact". Some have formed more solid opinions than others, but that's all it is. I know we refer to him as "Faul" rather than the perhaps more proper term for what we are saying here, "the alleged replacement" Oh well, "Faul" is just a convenient shorthand for me really. Do any agents or whomever really care about us civilians throwing our observations and opinions around? Nah!
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Post by LarryC on Apr 19, 2004 18:34:20 GMT -5
Do any agents or whomever really care about us civilians throwing our observations and opinions around? Nah! Pulls out his shoe-phone and makes a call.... "Hello, Rubber Chicken, this is Pan Head, nothing significant to report on this end, over and out." ;D ;D
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 19, 2004 18:37:50 GMT -5
but compound all of this with marathon tours of hundreds of cities where there were press conferences around every corner asking the same questions over and over again, most of them very lame questions to boot. The touring alone would be enough to zap your mind, and the touring went on long after the Beatles broke up as well. Good point LarryC! I wasn't really considering the mind-numbing repetition involved in the endless tours etc etc. It would be much easier to have lots of details get blurred under those circumstances. Massive repetition isn't something I had to deal with when I was a crazy young'un... There was always something groovy goin' on!
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Post by Girl on Oct 17, 2004 12:46:00 GMT -5
Regarding Eggy's link on page 2, here's an excerpt from an interview with the Beatles in Toronto, 8/17/65:
Q: "Question for John Lennon. Do you plan to continue writing, and if so do you have a medium mind?"
JOHN: "Yes, 'cuz I think I'm under contract now... but I've got nothing in mind. It'll be the same stuff only backwards."
I know the timing is wrong, but it's an interesting statement just the same...
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Post by Harb on Oct 21, 2004 5:08:41 GMT -5
The 'I told you about the Fool on the Hill' line has been up on my site for ages regarding how, if it was a Paul song, why is John saying that he wrote it?
The title itself is slang for a crystal ball through which many mysteries can be solved...
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Post by DarkHorse on Oct 21, 2004 10:42:20 GMT -5
The 'I told you about the Fool on the Hill' line has been up on my site for ages regarding how, if it was a Paul song, why is John saying that he wrote it? That's a great point. Maybe John wrote more of "Paul's" later songs than we realize. I certainly am in the camp that John wrote Oh!Darling and not Paul. Was The Fool On The Hill a song John wrote about Paul's dying body? Could very well be.
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Post by pennylane on Oct 26, 2004 8:57:44 GMT -5
Was The Fool On The Hill a song John wrote about Paul's dying body? Could very well be. my thoughts exactly
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