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Post by xpt626 on Sept 1, 2004 3:42:34 GMT -5
But I am at a loss of why that little correction is a big thing xpt626? "a big thing"? I thanked JoJo for finding the information...does politeness disturb you?
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Post by kazu on Sept 1, 2004 5:16:16 GMT -5
I apologize to you. I am on edge with something else. It's bleeding over.
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Post by xpt626 on Sept 1, 2004 7:10:39 GMT -5
I apologize to you. I am on edge with something else. It's bleeding over. hey, no sweat. We all have those days! Hope the other situation becomes less stressful for you.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 16, 2009 20:16:33 GMT -5
1) How do we get "Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots" from this image? 2) Does anybody own this thing? Do we have access to the tracks? Do we care? 3) What is the difference between the Allegro Records release and the Hurrah Records release? 4) I read on ebay that John Cale and/or Lou Reed may have been involved in this outfit. Has anybody else heard anything about this? -j
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Post by B on Jun 16, 2009 20:32:49 GMT -5
Funny, I was just thinking about this. JoJo has the whole album available, I do believe. (It's arse-ome! ;D) No doubt he can direct you where to find it in the files. I had heard or read about the Lou Reed connection too, but it's been so long, I can't tell you where. "Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots" or at least, "the Pepperpots" is on the back.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 16, 2009 20:59:18 GMT -5
I guess someone took my advice about looking up old threads, heh. I see Larry C, wow that takes ya back! There were some disks that had the Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots on the label. As for Lou Reed, I brought that up once, and I believe it was on a thread that involved that guy who said he was Billy Shepherd's son.. Remember that one? Oh no wait, found a thread I started about Lou Reed: invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=4254About the differences, it was all about the labeling, the actual songs were the same. I do have it, and made a vinyl rip.. Here it is: jojoplace.org/Shoebox/More_Mersymania_Pepperpots/
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Post by JoJo on Jun 16, 2009 21:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 16, 2009 21:44:37 GMT -5
Hey JoJo. That Hurrah pressing has a different track list from yours. The Allegro pressing has the same tracks as your Pickwick.
-j
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Post by ramone on Jun 16, 2009 21:53:26 GMT -5
'Let's Be Natural' - Dirk McQuickly and the lads HEAVY rumor concerning Dirk! : www.rutles.org/rdirk.htmlAnd now after this brief intermission - back to our regularly scheduled imitators
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jun 16, 2009 22:20:54 GMT -5
John Allegro and Amanita Muscaria Allegro was a brilliant student of Semitic languages at Manchester University and went on to study Hebrew dialects at Oxford University. In 1953, he was named to an international team formed to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in caves at Qumran on the shores of the Dead Sea six years earlier.
The scrolls, which spanned from about 100 B.C. to 70 A.D., included the oldest known manuscripts of books from the Old Testament. Allegro's gift for deciphering minute texts was crucial. His book, "The Dead Sea Scrolls," was published in 1956 and became a bestseller.
Allegro's subsequent notoriety caused derision in the scientific community but developed a cult following in the early 1970s. Allegro, in his 1970 book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross," contended that Judaism and Christianity were in fact products of an ancient sex-and-mushroom cult.
He theorized that Jesus's last words on the cross were not a lament to God but "a paean of praise to the god of the mushroom."
Although trained for the Methodist ministry, he became a fervent anti-Christian devoted to debunking the story of Jesus.
Allegro also published a 1966 book, "Search in the Desert," about an unsuccessful search for lost scrolls in the Judean Desert.
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Post by ramone on Jun 16, 2009 22:54:33 GMT -5
'mushroom cult' ?
Sounds like Mr A. came down with a case of roomis igloomis
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Post by B on Jun 16, 2009 23:01:58 GMT -5
Allegro is a musical term, meaning play it fast, if I am not mistaken. I suspect the record label has more to do with that than Mr. Allegro, but one never knows.
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 17, 2009 7:17:13 GMT -5
Allegro is a musical term, meaning play it fast, if I am not mistaken. I suspect the record label has more to do with that than Mr. Allegro, but one never knows. Agreed. Or it might mean that everyone should go and buy one of these!
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Post by 8749 on Jun 19, 2009 17:00:20 GMT -5
I listened to the album cuts and I can't identify Faul's voice anywhere in there. The one interesting clue I can add to this is, in The Macs, Mike McCartney's book , there is a photo that Mike McCartney is supposed to have taken of a young man sitting in a garden, playing the guitar. The man looks just like one of the Pepperpots. The caption on the photo says something about this man being oblivious to what was happening at 20 Forthlin Road.
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Post by B on Jun 20, 2009 13:58:34 GMT -5
Re: Bill Shepherd - UK Session Musician « Result #72 on Aug 24, 2006, 3:48pm » from guitar gazinvanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2672&page=2"Can I put you out of your misery? Bill Shepherd was my father - he is now dead. He was indeed the main writer for the Billy and the Pepperpots album which was his and friends jokey attempt to cash in on the Beatlemania. He was the same man who produced the early Bee Gees records in Australia, and then came back to England with them as their musical arranger. He was English and we emigrated to Australia in the 60's - where he subsequently got a job as a recording engineer at Festival records - and took over recording the Bee Gees. He had his own radio show for a while, then a TV show called One More Time, before moving to Munich and then LA (where he eventually worked for Muzak). He did lots of other arranging work - mostly at IBC studios in the 70's where I eventually got a job as a tape op - and did a lot of French artists. There is no Beatles or Paul connection - although interestingly he worked with a character called Brian Chalmers who claimed to be a cousin of Paul and Mike (Paul's brother). There was some resemblance - although he was extremely camp and involved with producing an Italian singer called Little Tony, and apparently had connections with the mafia. And he was notorious for pushing the story of Paul being replaced after his death by Bill Campbell. I should not be surprised if he was the main instigator of the story - we heard it from him several times - and in those days it seemed plausible. It was supposed to have been a car crash - cover of Abbey Road 28IF and all that. Certainly there is an attraction to the theory that the man who wrote Yesterday could not be the same man who wrote The Frog Chorus. Anyway - had to clear that up about my Dad - I had not seen the picture before so that was interesting. By the way the Bee Gees Authorised Biography has an index section just on Bill Shepherd. He was an interesting man - but he wasn't Paul or Paul's replacement I'm afraid - otherwise I'd be rich - and I'm not! "------------------------------------------Guitar Gaz maintained that the people on the cover were 'models', not associated with the music on the record in any way. Therefore any connection of the models looking like Faul or Mal, and the Beatle music that came later, would be a coincidence. Or rather I should say: if the models were Faul and Mal, and they later were involved with creating Beatles music, it was not because they had been at the time this record came out. Apollo seems to have hinted that that might not be the case. Guitar Gaz wrote: " He was the same man who produced the early Bee Gees records in Australia." For my two cents, the early Bee Gees records include a number of PID-related tunes, particularly the song "Holiday".
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Post by 8749 on Jun 20, 2009 14:07:59 GMT -5
Is there any way to verify guitar gaz's story? Forgive me for complaining, but one thing I've noticed on this board is something of a lack of follow-up. If guitar gaz is telling the truth, then we can move on to another aspect of the mystery. If not, he's just another BS'er.
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Post by B on Jun 20, 2009 15:01:30 GMT -5
Guitar gaz's birthday is listed as Birthday: 05/31/1956 in his bio. If someone was really ambitious, they might be able to find a reference to Bill Shepherd's wife having a son on that date in his biography. Other than that, there's not much of way to track him down that I know of, although there may be some 'computer geek' way to do it. Or he might see this and respond, 'though he doesn't post often. I have no reason to think he's lying. I tend to presume most people are being honest unless evidence shows otherwise. "If guitar gaz is telling the truth, then we can move on to another aspect of the mystery. " Yep.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 20, 2009 17:24:05 GMT -5
Is there any way to verify guitar gaz's story? Forgive me for complaining, but one thing I've noticed on this board is something of a lack of follow-up. If guitar gaz is telling the truth, then we can move on to another aspect of the mystery. If not, he's just another BS'er. Well, the Lou Reed aspect of this was never really answered, and I recall putting that out there on threads on which Guitargaz was active, and never got a comment from him either way.. Take that for whatever..
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 21, 2009 7:46:35 GMT -5
The thing i found with guitargaz was that he never corroborated what he said and he was curt, I had no reason to disbelieve him but even less reason to believe him.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 21, 2009 10:42:14 GMT -5
The Pepperpots was also released on cd... This was previously posted somewhere in here This was all so long ago, but as I remember it, I was pretty unimpressed with the supposed Pepperpots/Beatles connections. The one thing that got my attention was that GG was way too insistant that we stop looking into this. He(?) was so insistant that we stop this line of investigation, that alone made me think there may be something to this after all.
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Post by B on Jun 21, 2009 11:03:40 GMT -5
from the back cover of Merseymania:"I specially recommend that you take a listen to the boys' brilliant revival of 'Jericho', for this Spiritual, given the Mersey treatment, just about sums up what this music is all about." - Roger Easterby For my two cents, this is remeniscent of the style of many Apollo C Vermouth posts, and I would bet that there is a "Roger Easterby" - Apollo connection. Guitar gaz's dad and his friends may have done the record as a goof, but they may have done it for someone who was ultimately connected to Apple or the Beatles. But that's just a guess. I have no proof. Jericho, by the way, was about a battle waged by 'the righteous' using the sound of musical instruments (trumpets) to break down walls. Elvis Presley - Joshua fit the battle of Jerichowww.youtube.com/watch?v=EipAzFBQ3pM
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Post by B on Jun 21, 2009 21:44:50 GMT -5
Excellent point. It must be of significance to somebody.
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Post by Pineapples101 on Jun 24, 2009 4:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 8, 2009 22:05:07 GMT -5
Is there any way to verify guitar gaz's story? Forgive me for complaining, but one thing I've noticed on this board is something of a lack of follow-up. If guitar gaz is telling the truth, then we can move on to another aspect of the mystery. If not, he's just another BS'er. Here is a link to an article about the Bee Gees that gives some good information about Bill Shepherd. An excerpt: "Bill and his friend Jimmy Fraser perpetrated two beat group cash-in albums in 1963-1964 as Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots. Titled Merseymania and More Merseymania, they contained a few Lennon-McCartney songs, but mostly Bill Shepherd compositions, sung by Bill and Jimmy and played by a Beatles-like rock band of hired musicians."-j
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Post by jarvitronics on Aug 11, 2009 11:30:48 GMT -5
Here is a new one for y'all: Mr. Pepper's Jet Piano. This album was released in 1968. It features the track Tweedle Dee. Psychedelic lounge piano. -j
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