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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 28, 2005 13:37:30 GMT -5
This was a song released by Mary Hopkins, an apple recording artist in the late 1960's. This was also sung by Bill and released in one of the anthologies, if memory serves me correctly. I heard the demo somewhere, maybe on another thread.
But I have the lyrics posted here
Good Bye
Please don't make me wait too late tomorrow comes And I will not be late Late to day when it becomes tomorrows I will Leave to go away
Goodbye, goodbye, Goodbye, goodbye, my love, Good bye
Songs that lingered on my lips excite me now And linger on my mind Leave your flowers at my door and I'll leave them for the one who waits behind
Good bye, goodbye, Good bye, goodbye my love, goodbye
Far away my lover sings a lonely song And calls me to her side When a song of lonely love invites me on I must go to her side
Goodbye, goodbye goodbye, goodbye my love, good bye
Now, my question is this, was this Bill's composition, or was it really a JPM composition, possibly inspired by Sylvie?
Bill has been known to take JPM material and release it with his own voice, and in the case of this song, a strange falsetto demo.
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Post by JoJo on Dec 28, 2005 15:32:57 GMT -5
Actually, the Bill version is a bootleg, not officially released.
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Post by lili on Dec 29, 2005 13:32:47 GMT -5
I never heard of that song. Thanks for sharing that with us, Rita.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 29, 2005 16:37:21 GMT -5
I remember when she had a minor hit with it in the US.
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Post by lili on Dec 30, 2005 10:23:35 GMT -5
I just listened to as much of that as I could stand. His voice is so much higher than Paul's was. Paul could hit a high note, that's true. However, he mostly did it for effect. I don't remember Paul singing whole songs in falsetto. Can anyone else think of a song that Paul did entirely in falsetto like that
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Post by beatlies on Dec 30, 2005 13:17:47 GMT -5
I just listened to as much of that as I could stand. His voice is so much higher than Paul's was. Paul could hit a high note, that's true. However, he mostly did it for effect. I don't remember Paul singing whole songs in falsetto. Can anyone else think of a song that Paul did entirely in falsetto like that He sings falsetto style in "Here, There and Everywhere." The title is a line spoken by Jack Lemmon, dressing like a woman "here, there and everywhere," in the transvestites comedy Some Like It Hot, whose leading actors Tony Curtis and Marilyn Monroe are on the cover of Sgt. Pepper. This is the only song where JPM sings falsetto or almost-falsetto for nearly the entire song. The voice is not just falsetto in fact, it's sung with very calculated female-imitating precision and delicate softness to sound like an exact replication of a French chanteuse such as Sylvie Vartan or Claudine Longet. I've described JPM's singing here as "freakish" in its subversive gender reversal. The same voice and calculated woman imitation, sounding like a woman or a man singing falsetto with the help of an orchidectomy or female hormones, can be heard on "Good Bye" and it's of a much higher quality vocals than the Faulsetto on "Honey Pie." He also sings with the perspective of a woman, "I must be by his side." If JPM is singing this, it wasn't written for Mary Hopkins, and so it was not publicly released. These two songs are important clues as to what may have happened to cause JPM's replacement.
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Post by mciiii on Dec 30, 2005 16:12:13 GMT -5
About the phrase "Here there and everywhere" i found this references. The earliest instance I located of the words together in the order you cite is from Chapter 5 of Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" published in 1876:
"Mr. Walters fell to 'showing off,' with all sorts of official bustlings and activities, giving orders, judgments, discharging directions here, there, everywhere that he could find a target."
pd.sparknotes.com/lit/tomsawyer/section5.html Dictionary.net cites the words in the order you mention from a 1913 Webster's Dictionary:
"Note: Over, out, off, and similar adverbs, are often used in the predicate with the sense and force of adjectives, agreeing in this respect with the adverbs of place, here, there, everywhere, nowhere; as, the games were over; the play is over; the master was out; his hat is off. [1913 Webster]"
"Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)"
www.dictionary.net/over+again Later instances (but still pre-Beatles) appear in a New York Times crossword puzzles title listing including 4 puzzle titles of the late 40s of either "Here There Everywhere" or "Here There and Everywhere" by different puzzle authors. See nytxword.home.mindspring.com/forty2-9b.htm
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Post by lili on Dec 30, 2005 16:14:51 GMT -5
That may be true. Maybe he did it as an homage to Sylvie ? Revolver is their last album as The Beatles, & it was released in 1966. If it is his way of saluting Sylvie, I have to wonder whether he knew she was dead ? I do know that he cared a great deal about her. I see where you're going with this. No matter what I've read, I just can't believe that Paul would want to be female. Everything about him screamed ALL MAN. Bill on the other hand ...
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Dec 30, 2005 16:24:39 GMT -5
On "Goodbye" Bill sounds like Tiny Tim......Bill usually sings falsetto because he is more female than male. I don't see that "Here, There, and Everywhere" was not done entirely falsetto. Anyone thinking it was, need a hearing aide. Are we going through the same bag of crap that TKIN did? Insinuating Paul became a female? Now that is as ridiculous as saying Bill was a man! SMA, 'ere ;D
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Dec 30, 2005 16:45:56 GMT -5
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sammy
Hard Day's Night
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Post by sammy on Dec 30, 2005 16:59:14 GMT -5
I don't remember ever hearing that song in 1966. Maybe I was just sleeping through that time. Sammy Girl
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Post by mciiii on Dec 30, 2005 18:54:00 GMT -5
i'm think this is the clue for "here there and everywhere"Dictionary.net cites the words in the order you mention from a 1913 Webster's Dictionary:
"Note: Over, out, off, and similar adverbs, are often used in the predicate with the sense and force of adjectives, agreeing in this respect with the adverbs of place, here, there, everywhere, nowhere; as, the games were over; the play is over; the master was out; his hat is off. [1913 Webster]"
"Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)"
www.dictionary.net/over+again
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Post by plastic paul on Dec 30, 2005 20:37:06 GMT -5
IMO it's not totally falsetto in the way of Curtis Mayfield or someone, it's just at the top of his normal vocal range, falsetto is actually reaching an even higher level by changing the way your voice works. That's the way I see it anyway. If you check out invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=beatles&action=display&thread=1134262515you will find that I sing as high as i can with my "normal" voice yet I could go higher by "falsetto-ing"
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 30, 2005 22:10:17 GMT -5
Franki Valli had a falsetto. Bill's is a Faulsetto.
In Here, There and Everywhere, the entire song was not sung falsetto. There were some rich tones clearly JPM. I'm not totally unconvinced that some female may have been in the background vocals. It certainly isn't a Faulsetto as Bill's "Good Bye".
When I first heard this version, I had been sent a cassette of bootleg recordings, about the time of Anthologies, and this was on it. I knew I heard it somewhere. But I knew it was strange.
Along with SisterMaryAbbey, I've seen alot of 1970's era pics of Bill that looked feminine. That Bill was showing his female side, so to speak. But I don't recall anything feminine about JPM in the short amount of time we actually was able to see him. If there are any pics that depict JPM more feminine, it's probably Faulized.
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Post by lili on Dec 31, 2005 15:09:24 GMT -5
Rita, I agree completely ! Paul never dressed or acted feminine. If he did, it was for a halloween party, or to goof on some fey photographer who was driving them all mad during a photo session !
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Post by mciiii on Dec 31, 2005 17:35:31 GMT -5
Rita, I agree completely ! Paul never dressed or acted feminine. we cannot say the same about Bill
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 1, 2006 0:58:09 GMT -5
Rita, I agree completely ! Paul never dressed or acted feminine. we cannot say the same about Bill Bill looks like Tony Orlando's gay twin!
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Post by Doc on Jan 1, 2006 6:29:27 GMT -5
we cannot say the same about Bill Bill looks like Tony Orlando's gay twin! Fony Torlando? Well, it sure isn't Dawn! "Don" maybe.........as in "Don we now our .....?..... apparel Faul la la la la la, la laaa laaa laaaaaaa." Sorry, couldn't resist. The set up was too, well too, well, simply too-too. Or, tu-tu, as the case may be. But Faul shouldn't take this lying down. He has the right to prance around the pool in a little white Holiday Inn bath towel if he wants to. Just don't let the bodyguard catch him, though. 'Cause that 6'4" brute will sentence him to many laps. And I don't mean across the pool either.......... OK, my evil twin wrote this post. It wadn't me. lol ;D It's New Years's. It was the Champagne wut dun it. OK, so no one take this post seriously, OK, it was like, totally a farce post cause no I dont think Sir Paul prances around in towels by the pool etc. so, no body get ruffled, it's comedy people. I can sanitize it or remove it if necesdsary. nessecessry neccessary
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 1, 2006 20:54:48 GMT -5
Maybe the man in the pose is not Bill, but Paul Ramon.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 2, 2006 5:08:16 GMT -5
I tend to think it's a JPM composition too. ABout what or who exactly, who's to say. The boot that's out there is a FAUL vocal/recording, though.
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Post by lili on Jan 3, 2006 11:58:11 GMT -5
You could be right about that, Total. It is a nice enough song. Now if Bill would've just put a little BASS in it, we wouldn't be having this conversation ;D Doc, you CRACK me up. So what if you can't spell neccessarrrry, I mean neccccessary, uh, necesarrukky, FORGET IT I especially liked the part about him taking "LAPS" ;D ;D ;D That photo in the towel SLAYS me. How can anyone think that he is Paul ? Paul knew what to do with a towel: Bill is just TACKY !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 3, 2006 14:18:55 GMT -5
Chains, my baby's got me locked up in chains And they ain't the kind that you can see Oh oh these chains of love got a hold on me, yeah... I know that wasn't a Lennon-Mc Cartney composition, but I couldn't resist. "Beatle bondage"....from Fony Orlando
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Post by lili on Jan 5, 2006 12:27:38 GMT -5
Rita, you don't know the 1/2 of it. There's a whole series of photos of that man vamping with those chains !
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Post by Doc on Jan 6, 2006 2:30:39 GMT -5
Rita, you don't know the 1/2 of it. There's a whole series of photos of that man vamping with those chains ! Who is that in the chains? That isn't Sir Paul I don't think. What was the purpose of this unusual photo session? Are there pictures of Ringo on the rack, or George with a whip? John and a dominatrix? This was a very strange departure.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 6, 2006 2:40:16 GMT -5
Rita, you don't know the 1/2 of it. There's a whole series of photos of that man vamping with those chains ! Who is that in the chains? That isn't Sir Paul I don't think. What was the purpose of this unusual photo session? Are there pictures of Ringo on the rack, or George with a whip? John and a dominatrix? This was a very strange departure. It looks more like the Dino Danelli imposter of JPM than the "Bill Sheppard" imposter.
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