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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2004 16:29:42 GMT -5
Is there any proof of the rumoured look-alike contest, a paper trail?
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 2, 2004 16:58:19 GMT -5
There was indeed a Paul lookalike contest, sponsored by Dick Clark's "American Bandstand" in 1965. The winner was Keith Allison, who joined Paul Revere and the Raiders in 1966. There is no known Paul lookalike by the name of William Campbell; this was a radio invention in the early days of the hoax by a man named Fred LaBour. He originally wanted to call him Glenn Campbell but thought that would be too obvious.
To get a paper trail, I guess you could look up the history of the "American Bandstand", or Keith Allison.
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Post by Girl on Nov 2, 2004 17:38:58 GMT -5
But why only Paul; what about the other 3 Beatles? [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 2, 2004 22:42:42 GMT -5
Nobody said there weren't look alike contests for the others. He was asking about Paul.
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 2, 2004 23:20:37 GMT -5
There is no known Paul lookalike by the name of William Campbell; this was a radio invention in the early days of the hoax by a man named Fred LaBour. Ya, exactly... misinformation put out there to throw off lots of people like you. Beatle Bill's last name never was cambell, but there IS a "Beatle Bill".
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Post by Girl on Nov 3, 2004 0:36:06 GMT -5
*sigh* I give up... Does anyone know of any such lookalike contests for the other Beatles at that time? I haven't found anything.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 3, 2004 7:11:02 GMT -5
Wasn't there one for Ringo also?
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 3, 2004 9:38:29 GMT -5
Ya, exactly... misinformation put out there to throw off lots of people like you. Beatle Bill's last name never was cambell, but there IS a "Beatle Bill". Say what you will about fades and all, but don't misrepresent what happened. Mr. LaBour was an arts critic for a college newspaper in the midwest U.S., and admits he made it up as a gag. Don't try to turn him into some sinister figure putting out misinformation to "throw people off." He was a regular guy having some fun with a story. Misinformation? Absolutely. Purposely put out there to throw people off the real story about Paul's death? No.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 3, 2004 9:40:33 GMT -5
Wasn't there one for Ringo also? Ya know? When I was writing my post above, I thought I remembered seeing about a Ringo look-alike contest and seeing a picture of the winner. I have no memory on where I saw that, though. I don't remember seeing anything about contests for John and George, though.
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 3, 2004 15:44:17 GMT -5
Say what you will about fades and all, but don't misrepresent what happened. Mr. LaBour was an arts critic for a college newspaper in the midwest U.S., and admits he made it up as a gag. Don't try to turn him into some sinister figure putting out misinformation to "throw people off." He was a regular guy having some fun with a story. Misinformation? Absolutely. Purposely put out there to throw people off the real story about Paul's death? No. Ok sure.... there was some misinformation out there that took on a life of it's own. That's something that happens all the time. But there was also plenty put out there on purpose. I don't really care how it started, the point is that it served it's purpose. I can't help notice how you, for instance, repeatedly bring up elements of the widely known misinformation; yet discount all of the real information. However it started... it works. And there IS a Beatle Bill. He's the one who sorta looks like JPM but not really.
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Post by pennylane on Nov 3, 2004 18:49:32 GMT -5
There was a RIngo look-alike contest.. for Girls.. strange but apparently true.. so there is a girl out there somewhere that looks like ringo
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 3, 2004 20:09:45 GMT -5
There was a RIngo look-alike contest.. for Girls.. strange but apparently true.. so there is a girl out there somewhere that looks like ringo Yikes! Now that would be a scary thing to wake up to!
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 4, 2004 10:20:36 GMT -5
There was a RIngo look-alike contest.. for Girls.. strange but apparently true.. so there is a girl out there somewhere that looks like ringo Really? You have any information on that? I would love to see the winner.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 4, 2004 10:48:56 GMT -5
Ok sure.... there was some misinformation out there that took on a life of it's own. That's something that happens all the time. But there was also plenty put out there on purpose. I don't really care how it started, the point is that it served it's purpose. I can't help notice how you, for instance, repeatedly bring up elements of the widely known misinformation; yet discount all of the real information. However it started... it works. And there IS a Beatle Bill. He's the one who sorta looks like JPM but not really. IWILL asked about proof regarding the look-alike contest. I provided the true history about the look-alike contest, the real one and the myth, giving IWILL a starting reference point to do investigation. Everything I put is the truth with no misleading information. You, on the other hand, stated that it was misinformation put out there with the intention of throwing people off the track of the real PID story, then personalized it by directing it at me. That is misinformation because it is simply not true. The truth matters. If you're trying to show some sinister conspiracy, it matters a great deal if the information was put out intentionally as a red herring to cover-up the "real" plot, or it was just something made up as a college prank. What I repeatedly bring up is the truth-the actual documented history. Discount all of the "real" information? What real information? Photo comparisons? That is subjective. For every person you present that believes there is a difference, I can present one that believes they are the same. Same with voice comparisons. These are things that are in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. Clues on record albums or in lyrics? Also subjective. They are interpretations by people based on their own beliefs and preconceptions. Ah, but there are so many. But as shown and documented, many are made up, just plain wrong, contradict each other or are open to many other interpretations. One million wrong clues are just as wrong as 50 wrong clues. A high number doesn't magically change the clues from being false into being true.
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Post by pennylane on Nov 5, 2004 2:23:11 GMT -5
Really? You have any information on that? I would love to see the winner. It was on a radio interview with Allan Klein.. he said that there was a ringo girl look-alike thing... i too would love to see the winner
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Post by Doc on Nov 5, 2004 2:49:35 GMT -5
Well, no offense to Ringo, as he was favorite of many, but hearing of that look-a-like winner, why, I think it must have been a Funny Girl.
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 5, 2004 8:34:06 GMT -5
You, on the other hand, stated that it was misinformation put out there with the intention of throwing people off the track of the real PID story, then personalized it by directing it at me. That is misinformation because it is simply not true. The truth matters. If you're trying to show some sinister conspiracy, it matters a great deal if the information was put out intentionally as a red herring to cover-up the "real" plot, or it was just something made up as a college prank. . I think yer getting a bit carried away. I NEVER tried to push any sinister conspiracy theories.... ever. I am very anti-conspiracy when it comes to PID,, why do you think I'm here & not at 60IF?? The fact is that some of the clues were indeed put out there on purpose... some started on their own. Which ones are which? I dunno. That's why they call it a mystery. You post the same misinformation all the time like it was the holy grail or something, yet you can't see it when 2 seperate pictures show 2 OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT men. I find that rather interesting.... & it's proof positive as to how well a massive amount of misinformation will work. What I repeatedly bring up is the truth-the actual documented history. Discount all of the "real" information? What real information? Photo comparisons? That is subjective. For every person you present that believes there is a difference, I can present one that believes they are the same. Same with voice comparisons. These are things that are in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. . Yes... I think hundreds or thousands of photos that obviously show somebody else in JPM's place is fairly real.... I'm not sure what's wrong with yer eyes, but that's beside the point. And I think when, all of a sudden, there's a slightly different sounding voice singing & the famous harmonies have mysteriously vanished.... that is a fairly solid lead to work on. Yet this info isn't as important to you as this W.Cambell crap you keep posting about. I don't get it.
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Post by xpt626 on Nov 5, 2004 10:07:39 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 5, 2004 12:12:45 GMT -5
I think yer getting a bit carried away. I NEVER tried to push any sinister conspiracy theories.... ever. I am very anti-conspiracy when it comes to PID,, why do you think I'm here & not at 60IF?? con·spir·a·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-spîr-s) n. pl. con·spir·a·cies 1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. 2. A group of conspirators. If you believe that Paul was replaced, then a whole number of people would know that fact and would be working to cover it up. One person here suggested that Apple was involved in putting out some of the false clues. Following is a quote from you: You say the silly clues were DESIGNED TO CONFUSE &/OR MISDIRECT. My friend, if there is a group of people designing clues to misdirect people in order to cover up the death of Paul McCartney, that is a conspiracy. If there is no conspiracy, then why has nobody spoken up after all of these years to tell the truth. Why didn't Ringo, George, John, Jane, George Martin, Paul's family, Faul's family or any other friends or relatives come out with the truth? If all of these people agreed to cover it up, then BINGO, you have a conspiracy. If these people wanted to tell the truth, but couldn't because of pressure from some group, such as government officials, then BINGO there was a conspiracy by those officials. Any way you slice it, if you believe Paul was replaced, then there had to be a conspiracy. The fact is that some of the clues were indeed put out there on purpose... some started on their own. Which ones are which? I dunno. That's why they call it a mystery. You post the same misinformation all the time like it was the holy grail or something, yet you can't see it when 2 seperate pictures show 2 OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT men. I find that rather interesting.... & it's proof positive as to how well a massive amount of misinformation will work. Yes... I think hundreds or thousands of photos that obviously show somebody else in JPM's place is fairly real.... I'm not sure what's wrong with yer eyes, but that's beside the point. And I think when, all of a sudden, there's a slightly different sounding voice singing & the famous harmonies have mysteriously vanished.... that is a fairly solid lead to work on. Obvious to you and some others. But, as I said, and you ignored, for every person you can find that says there is a difference, I can present a person that says they are the same. "Proof positive" is objective, while beliefs and feelings about photo comparisons and voice comparisons are subjective. Yet this info isn't as important to you as this W.Cambell crap you keep posting about. I don't get it. Umm......Look at the subject of this thread. IWILL specifically asked about the rumoured look-alike contest, which is about, you know, W. Campbell. I simply answered the question and pointed him to "American Bandstand" and Keith Allison for further research. I didn't bring it up out of thin air. You were the one who prolonged the W. Campbell part by responding that it was "misinformation put out there to throw off lots of people like you" which of course was not true.
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 5, 2004 19:38:56 GMT -5
SOME of the "clues" are misinformation purposely put out there. SOME of the clues are silliness started by fans in 69. The name William Cambell is one of the above.
The rest of the clues are right there for all to see & hear for themselves. Is that better??
By anti-conspiracy, I mean that there probably was not a conspiracy involved in his death, or injury. It was most likely a simple accident.
I already know about all the stuff that happened after the fact & the decision was made. I am fully aware that was a conspiracy, thank you.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 8, 2004 10:01:05 GMT -5
By anti-conspiracy, I mean that there probably was not a conspiracy involved in his death, or injury. It was most likely a simple accident. I already know about all the stuff that happened after the fact & the decision was made. I am fully aware that was a conspiracy, thank you. Thank you, but we were talking about William Campbell and the clues put out there in 1969, not the death itself.
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Post by xpt626 on Nov 8, 2004 11:24:35 GMT -5
Thank you, but we were talking about William Campbell and the clues put out there in 1969, not the death itself. and who, exactly, is "we"? You and the OP are not the only people on this thread. Your contempt for us is becoming a little too obvious. Perhaps you would be happier frequenting a different forum.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 8, 2004 13:20:02 GMT -5
and who, exactly, is "we"? You and the OP are not the only people on this thread. Your contempt for us is becoming a little too obvious. Perhaps you would be happier frequenting a different forum. Whoa, I never intended to show contempt for anybody. First, I do not know what "OP" is. I assume that it is not Sheriff Taylor's son. Second, when I said "we", I was referring to "eyesbleed" and myself. In reply #4, eyesbleed specifically mentions the W. Campbell item as misinformation "put out there" to misdirect the masses. In reply #13, where I mention "conspiracy", I am specifically talking about the "clues" that were put out there in 1969. Neither of us ever mentioned the circumstances involving Paul's death, accidental or otherwise. The conspiracy I talked about involved the "cover-up" afterwards which eyesbleed agrees is a conspiracy, so I was correct. IWILL asked about background involving the "rumored" look-alike contest. I provided information about the rumored contest involving William Campbell as well as information on the actual Paul look-alike contest in 1965 giving a couple of reference points for further research. That was it. I took no pot-shots at anyone here, and that was all I intended to post. (of course until I heard about the female Ringo look alike contest, which I have not been able to find anything on.) It was someone else who took the opportunity to express contempt for me by posting "Ya, exactly... misinformation put out there to throw off lots of people like you." I found that unnecessary since I simply answered a question and there was nothing false in what I posted. Later, it was stated that the W. Campbell information I was posting was "crap." Actually, I believed contempt for me was being shown, and I responded. In my first post on this thread, I did not single anybody out, and I did not call anyone's postings "crap." My answer to IWILL was straight forward, accurate and specifically addressed the question which involved W. Campbell and the look-alike contest. Then I get attacked for the "W.Cambell crap you keep posting about" as if I brought up the subject out of thin air. In addition, after having the information I posted called "crap", you put in that it was a "good posting." Contempt was shown for me, not the other way around. If the information I posted is not correct, show me where I was wrong and I will retract it. Show me where I was disrespectful in my post and I will delete it and apologize to everyone involved. I have done that before out of respect to the moderators. But if one of my posts is attacked, and contempt is shown for me, shouldn't I be given a chance to respond?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2004 14:49:09 GMT -5
There was a RIngo look-alike contest.. for Girls.. strange but apparently true.. so there is a girl out there somewhere that looks like ringo HMMMMMMM.... What about that photo session where Ringo definitely looks odd...I recall a Nehru jacket and an outside session (playing ball?) does this ring a bell w/ anyone? I wonder if it could be tracked down, that winner vs the weird Ringo session. Maybe he was too bereft to cope for a while.....
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 8, 2004 15:01:32 GMT -5
HMMMMMMM.... What about that photo session where Ringo definitely looks odd...I recall a Nehru jacket and an outside session (playing ball?) does this ring a bell w/ anyone? I wonder if it could be tracked down, that winner vs the weird Ringo session. Maybe he was too bereft to cope for a while..... I have been desparately trying to find a photo of the winner, but have come up empty. Anybody else have any luck?
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