And Here's Another Clue For You All....

[mommybird]

Mary Mohin McCartney (Mother)
Mother of Paul and Michael McCartney, born Mary Patricia Mohin, at 2 Third Avenue, Fazakerley, Liverpool, on 29 September 1909.
When Mary was four years old her mother, Mary Theresa Mohin, died while giving birth to a baby girl, who also died. When her father, Owen, remarried, Mary couldn’t accept her new stepmother, Rose, and went to live with a maternal aunt.
At the age of 14 she entered nursing and worked at Alder Hey Hospital. She then moved to Walton Road Hospital in Rice Lane, Liverpool, and after ten years became a full nursing sister.
Mary first met Jim McCartney at the McCartney family home at 11 Scargreen Avenue, West Derby. Still a nurse at Walton Hospital, she was staying temporarily with Jim’s newly wed sister Jin and her husband, Harry. She was 31 years old and Jim was eight years her senior when the two were married at St Swithin’s Roman Catholic Chapel in Gill Moss, Liverpool.
Although Mary had been raised as a strict Roman Catholic, she married Jim, a Protestant, after promising that her children would be baptized Roman Catholics. Both her sons were baptized — and also circumcised.
Paul was born on 15 April 1941 in a private ward at Walton Hospital, because Mary had once been the sister in charge of the maternity ward. *** WHAT Well, that goes along with "Paul" being an Aries, hence the references to "RAM". I'd love to know where the author got that information. I'm pretty sure that he got the birthyear wrong, but that might very well be "Paul"'s true birthday !!!

When she was able to resume work she became a health visitor and then returned to the practice of midwifery, taking domiciliary posts in which a council house was provided for her and her family. Each of the various houses they moved to proved better than the last and they finally settled at 20 Forthlin Road in 1955.
Her second son, Michael, was born in 1944 and soon afterwards she developed mastitis, an inflammation of the breasts. It was in 1955 that she began suffering pains in her breast, which were so agonizing that she had to lie down.
When a concerned Jim sought to find out what was wrong, she put it down to the menopause. As the pain increased she began to take Bisodol, an over-the-counter medicine. Her son Michael once found her crying in her bedroom while she was clutching a crucifix. When he asked her what was wrong, she answered: ‘Nothing, love.’
She eventually consulted a specialist who told her she had breast cancer. She was immediately sent to the Northern Hospital for an operation, but it was too late. The operation revealed that the cancer had spread.
Just before she died she told a friend: ‘I would love to have seen the boys growing up.’ She died on 31 October 1956, soon after being given the last rites by a Catholic priest. She had a pair of rosary beads tied to her wrists.
The 14-year-old Paul, when told that his mother had died, said ‘What are we going to do without her money?’ That night he and Mike cried themselves to sleep.
It was just after his mother’s death that Paul took up the guitar, which became an obsession with him. He was later to say: ‘You lose a mother —and you find a guitar.’
Mary was laid to rest on 3 November 1956 at Yew Tree Cemetery, Finch Lane, Liverpool.
Mary was devoted to her sons and had wanted Paul to become a teacher. She was ambitious for both boys, wanting them to get on in the world, and gave Paul elocution lessons to rid him of his Scouse accent.
Friends who knew the family said that Paul would never have become a member of a group if Mary had lived.
He was finally able to pay tribute to her in the song ‘Let It Be’ and was to say: ‘I had a dream one night about my mother. She died when I was 14 so I hadn’t really heard from her in quite a while, and it was very good. It gave me some strength “in my darkest hour, Mother Mary comes to me”.
*** If that man's nose grew everytime he lied, he'd make Pinnochio look like a freak !

Copyright: Bill Harry, from 'The Beatles Encyclopedia', published by Virgin Publications.

www.iol.ie/~beatlesireland/zBeatlesfactfiles/factfilesx1/TheMcCartneys/MaryMcCartney(Mother).htm

[B]

Actually Mommybird came up with another good clue at the "Paul is Dead miss him" site.

(quote)
" The Murder of William Desmond Taylor
« Thread Started on Oct 29, 2007, 8:39pm »

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This was the first major scandal in early hollywood, and a subject near and dear to my heart. On Feb 2 1922 famed silent film director William Desmond Taylor was found dead.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Desmond_Taylor

The murder remains officially unsolved to this day."
(unquote)

When you read the wikipedia account, you find out that William Desmond Taylor had a brain disorder:

"The Tanners (Taylor was Mr. Tanner) were well-known in New York society until he abruptly
vanished in 1908 at the age of 36, deserting his wife and daughter. Tanner.... had suffered
"mental lapses" before, and the family thought he had perhaps wandered off during an episode of aphasia."

When you click on "aphasia" in the article, you get this:

"Aphasia (or aphemia) is a loss of the ability to produce and/or comprehend language,
due to injury to brain areas specialized for these functions. It is not a result of deficits in sensory,
intellect, or psychiatric functioning. (Brookshire, 1992; Goodglass 1993) It is also not muscle
weakness or a cognitive disorder.

Depending on the area and extent of the damage, someone suffering from aphasia may be able
to speak but not write, or vice versa, or display any of a wide variety of other deficiencies
in language comprehension and production, such as being able to sing but not speak.
Aphasia may co-occur with speech disorders such as dysarthria or apraxia of speech,
which also result from brain damage."

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There are lyrics of Pink Floyd that speak of someone being on stage, but "vacant", as well as
in some social situations. Remember way back at TKIN, the alledged reports of Paul wandering
around France in a state of confusion? And Iamaphoney's "there is a nurse...."
I believe that Paul may have had periods of aphasia, and that the Desmond in Obladih Obladah is
a hint to check out the story of William Desmond Taylor. A suggestion that there are
parallels in the lives of the two men.

So now there are two "new clues" in this thread people can comment on, thanks to Mommybird. ;D

[mommybird]

Wow, LetterB. That was a very illuminating take on things. I can see how that is possible.
Great job !
What do you think about the PURPOSEFUL false birth date on Paul on that website ? It is a very extensive website, and the people running it seem to be true Beatlephiles. How can they make a mistake like that

[bungalowbill]

letterb1 said:

Actually Mommybird came up with another good clue at the "Paul is Dead miss him" site.

(quote)
" The Murder of William Desmond Taylor
« Thread Started on Oct 29, 2007, 8:39pm »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This was the first major scandal in early hollywood, and a subject near and dear to my heart. On Feb 2 1922 famed silent film director William Desmond Taylor was found dead.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Desmond_Taylor

The murder remains officially unsolved to this day."
(unquote)

When you read the wikipedia account, you find out that William Desmond Taylor had a brain disorder:

"The Tanners (Taylor was Mr. Tanner) were well-known in New York society until he abruptly
vanished in 1908 at the age of 36, deserting his wife and daughter. Tanner.... had suffered
"mental lapses" before, and the family thought he had perhaps wandered off during an episode of aphasia."

When you click on "aphasia" in the article, you get this:

"Aphasia (or aphemia) is a loss of the ability to produce and/or comprehend language,
due to injury to brain areas specialized for these functions. It is not a result of deficits in sensory,
intellect, or psychiatric functioning. (Brookshire, 1992; Goodglass 1993) It is also not muscle
weakness or a cognitive disorder.

Depending on the area and extent of the damage, someone suffering from aphasia may be able
to speak but not write, or vice versa, or display any of a wide variety of other deficiencies
in language comprehension and production, such as being able to sing but not speak.
Aphasia may co-occur with speech disorders such as dysarthria or apraxia of speech,
which also result from brain damage."

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There are lyrics of Pink Floyd that speak of someone being on stage, but "vacant", as well as
in some social situations. Remember way back at TKIN, the alledged reports of Paul wandering
around France in a state of confusion? And Iamaphoney's "there is a nurse...."
I believe that Paul may have had periods of aphasia, and that the Desmond in Obladih Obladah is
a hint to check out the story of William Desmond Taylor. A suggestion that there are
parallels in the lives of the two men.

So now there are two "new clues" in this thread people can comment on, thanks to Mommybird. ;D

Now give credit where credit is due, Mommybird is a great person, and has come up with many intruiging ideas in the past, however I was the one who posted on William Desmond Taylor over at her forum.

As to the content I have never heard about the idea that Mr. Taylor had a mental problem. In my opinion the aphasia thing if anything was an excuse. Taylor abadoned his wife because he was in general a homosexual, and he did not want to be attached (again in general there are exceptions to the rule, Neva Gerba comes to mind)

If Obladi Oblada is about Taylor, and what you guys say about Paul is true (I am on the fence, but I don't want to be a jerk about it)
Then it would indicate that Paul died or was incapaticated because of the spurned affections of a woman.

In my opinion the two most likely candidates for having killed Taylor are Charlotte Shelby or her Daughter Mary Miles Minter
Shelby did not want her daughter to have any relationship with any man, and was obsessive about it. Despite Taylor's rejection of her daughter, she continued to believe that Taylor was taking advantage of her daughter "Come near my daughter and I will shoot you!"-Charlotte Shelby
as to Minter, she was madly in love with Taylor, affections that were not returned and you know the saying "love has no fury like a lover scorned."

Which brings us to the song in question, Obladi Oblada. As I posted over at Mommybirds forum, if it is related to the Taylor murder, it seems to be Mary's fantasy

Desmond has a barrow in the market place.
Molly is a singer in a band.
Desmond says to Molly – girl I like your face
And Molly says this as she takes him by the hand.
Ob-la-di Ob-la-da life goes on bra
Lala how the life goes on


William Desmond Taylor becomes attracted to Mary Miles Minter. (When I listen to it I hear "kid I like your face" Mary was 19 years old when Taylor died. Taylor was around 50) In the song "Desmond" is Taylor and "Molly" is Mary. Taylor lives on because he loves Mary.

Desmond takes a trolley to the jewellers' stores,
Buys a twenty carat golden ring.
Takes it back to Molly waiting at the door
And as he gives it to her she begins to sing

Taylor proposes to Mary. She is the happiest she has ever been. She "begins to sing"

In a couple of years they have built
A home sweet home
With a couple of kids running in the yard
Of Desmond and Molly Jones.
Happy ever after in the market place
Desmond lets the children lend a hand.

The happy married life of Minter and Taylor. They have now had children together. And are living happily

Molly stays at home and does her pretty face
And in the evening she still sings it with the band.
Happy ever after in the market place
Molly lets the children lend a hand.
Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face
And in the evening she's singer with the band.

Mary keeps her carreer and is still famous despite her flight from her mother. The last line is a reference to the way things really would have been like "Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face"

[mommybird]

That's an interesting interpretation of the song, BungalooBill.
I don't know what interest Paul had in the William Desmond Taylor mystery. It is a strange paradox that his front name was William, and many people believe that at least one of the "Faul's" has been referred to as Bill/Billy.
I didn't know about the life of William Desmond Taylor. Since becoming involved in PID, I was under the impression that Faul/Bill had changed some of the lyrics to make it the song his. He appears to swing both ways, so the reference " Desmond stays at home & does his pretty face" was most likely put in there by him.

[bungalowbill]

If what you guy's say is true, ( again I'm not completely sure) that song is almost certainly the work of the guy you call "Faul"
As I posted before I have noticed a style change in McCartney's music, post Revolver. He by and large no longer writes gentle ballads, and instead focuses on 40's style dance hall songs, the two biggest examples of this new "McCartney" style are Obladi Oblada. Even his attempts at ballading, seem to become grandious such as "Hey Jude"

oh and William was not a front name, he was born William Dean-Tanner, his front name was Taylor

[stevenchrist]

here's a lil secret...

John was actrually a she,

so was George.

John was Nepthys.

George was Isis.

take that lil bit a treasure.


Classic Nepthys:
youtube.com/watch?v=AEpCuE3CCvg


Classic Isis:
youtube.com/watch?v=JmMA9Qqxcts

[B]

stevenchrist wrote:
here's a lil secret...John was actrually a she...

[hope]

letterb1 said:

stevenchrist wrote:
here's a lil secret...John was actrually a she...

..and she was originally a Yoko Ono double..
I mean they do have the same hair ;D

[mommybird]

This thread has gone off track. I'm reposting the part of it that I was hoping to get some comments on:

Mary Mohin McCartney (Mother)
Mother of Paul and Michael McCartney, born Mary Patricia Mohin, at 2 Third Avenue, Fazakerley, Liverpool, on 29 September 1909.
When Mary was four years old her mother, Mary Theresa Mohin, died while giving birth to a baby girl, who also died. When her father, Owen, remarried, Mary couldn’t accept her new stepmother, Rose, and went to live with a maternal aunt.
At the age of 14 she entered nursing and worked at Alder Hey Hospital. She then moved to Walton Road Hospital in Rice Lane, Liverpool, and after ten years became a full nursing sister.
Mary first met Jim McCartney at the McCartney family home at 11 Scargreen Avenue, West Derby. Still a nurse at Walton Hospital, she was staying temporarily with Jim’s newly wed sister Jin and her husband, Harry. She was 31 years old and Jim was eight years her senior when the two were married at St Swithin’s Roman Catholic Chapel in Gill Moss, Liverpool.
Although Mary had been raised as a strict Roman Catholic, she married Jim, a Protestant, after promising that her children would be baptized Roman Catholics. Both her sons were baptized — and also circumcised.
Paul was born on 15 April 1941 in a private ward at Walton Hospital, because Mary had once been the sister in charge of the maternity ward. *** WHAT Well, that goes along with "Paul" being an Aries, hence the references to "RAM". I'd love to know where the author got that information. I'm pretty sure that he got the birthyear wrong, but that might very well be "Paul"'s true birthday !!!

I found this on the Beatles Ireland website.


www.iol.ie/~beatlesireland/zBeatlesfactfiles/factfilesx1/TheMcCartneys/MaryMcCartney(Mother).htm

[iameye]

mom, I am slightly suspicious JPM was "adopted" by an aging woman with ample opportunity, just a thought.

[mommybird]

I don't think so. Paul looks ALOT like his dad. Michael really resembles his mom. I find this very common amongst siblings. My two sons look NOTHING like each other. People meeting them for the 1st time, have a hard time believing that they're brothers. ;D
On another note, I find it very sad what happened to Mary McCartney. Just reading that made my boobies hurt. That poor woman. What a terrible way to die.

[LOVELYRITA]

His mother was a nun?

April 15th DOB?

She was in charge of the maternity ward...

Don't tell me that the famous JPM was a switched at birth?

And JPM is not really a Mc Cartney? Maybe "BILL" is the real Paul and Paul was Faul before Faul was Faul/Paul.

I am he, as you are he, as you are me and we are altogether....altogether now!

[plastic paul]

lovelyrita said:

His mother was a nun?

April 15th DOB?

She was in charge of the maternity ward...

Don't tell me that the famous JPM was a switched at birth?

And JPM is not really a Mc Cartney? Maybe "BILL" is the real Paul and Paul was Faul before Faul was Faul/Paul.

I am he, as you are he, as you are me and we are altogether....altogether now!

Ha that's a wicked possibility, thinking outside the box!

Kudos LR!

(even if that was the case JPM made a better Paul than Faul ever did, now I'm confused!!!)