On Say Say Say, Did Michael sing "Brian"

[DarkHorse]

A 'cluester' on Doctor Lev's site brought up the fact that on the song "Say, Say, Say" by Sir Paul and Michael Jackson, Michael sings the line "Standing here baptised in all my tears baby, through the years, you know I'm Brian". The official lyrics are listed as "You know I'm cryin' ".

I always thought it sounded like "You know I'm blinded". I could definitely hear the 'b' in there. I downloaded the song from filesharing in about 2 minutes so you can hear it right away. It sounds more like Brian than cryin'.

Could Michael be referring to Brian Epstein?

[il ras]

I posted it on TKIN last summer: "say say say", if pronounced in an italian sentence (written "sei sei sei"), means 6 6 6.

[bluemeanie]

no offence but i think 'clues' like this only give the pia people an argument against us
i mean why would he?
why would so many different artists write about pid?

[beatlies]

Disagreement about a clue does not equal "argument against."

[bluemeanie]

no but all we really know is that the man called paul mccartney today does not look like the man called paul mccartney in 1966, and hasnt done since late 1966.
i just think that anything else is just conjecture and trying to convice people that something really happened in 1966 gets harder when people insist there are clues in songs by everybody else, that paul was a transvestite, that brian's replacement was replaced by don knotts etc etc.

[beatlies]

bluemeanie said:

no but all we really know is that the man called paul mccartney today does not look like the man called paul mccartney in 1966, and hasnt done since late 1966.
i just think that anything else is just conjecture and trying to convice people that something really happened in 1966 gets harder when people insist there are clues in songs by everybody else, that paul was a transvestite, that brian's replacement was replaced by don knotts etc etc.

False straw men --Nobody said Paul was a transvestite (and if there were proof of this why would it be a big deal?); and nobody said "there are clues in songs by everybody else."

You then tack on a fragment about Brian Epstein's "replacement was replaced by Don Knotts," stringing it with your straw men, to attack this line of research, for which there is photographic and circumstantial evidence.

all we really know is that the man called paul mccartney today does not look like the man called paul mccartney in 1966, and hasnt done since late 1966

He doesn't sound like James Paul McCartney either, and we "really know" a great deal more.

Do you think that Brian Epstein was replaced with an imposter?

[bluemeanie]

im not sure if brian was replaced or not but im certain paul was
the reason i say these things is that ive tried recently to turn people on to this and they see the pictures of paul pre and post 66 and admit there is a huge difference and then they see the other avenues people are taking this down and immediately they laugh and think its all a big joke

[DarkHorse]

bluemeanie said:

im not sure if brian was replaced or not but im certain paul was
the reason i say these things is that ive tried recently to turn people on to this and they see the pictures of paul pre and post 66 and admit there is a huge difference and then they see the other avenues people are taking this down and immediately they laugh and think its all a big joke

I agree. The "Don Knotts was Frian" and "George was replaced also" have done nothing good for PID/PWR efforts.

[beatlies]

Nobody has said George was replaced. It's been revealed that George had a double(s), as did John Lennon: this is not the same as being replaced.

As for Brian being replaced, this definitely occured; anybody on this forum who claims otherwise is way behind on the research or is not being honest.

[il ras]

bluemeanie, i agree with you that is difficult to explain PID to someone and then show a site in which someone says that D Knotts performed B Epstein.
But I don't think that on NIR anyone believes that and also on TKIN very few do.
Pls take a look at invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1137264607 and 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=document&action=display&thread=1136940784

[lili]

I believe that Brian was replaced. They needed someone to sign the contracts without any questions being asked. Brian died around the same time that Paul did.
BP posted these photos awhile ago:


More photos of Brian or Frian. I think that most of them are Brian. These are the ones that I'm certain are Brian, due to when they were taken:












Brian:
Frian:

There's a very close resemblance between the two men. It's downright creepy ! Brian is much lighter of complexion. Look at the photos of him from the Florida trip. He's pale as a ghost !Also, Brian's nose slopes downwards. Frian's doesn't. Brian's face is longer & he's taller than Frian.
Most notably, look at the inside of their ears. Frian's ears are different than Brian's !

[il ras]

The ears in the last two photos are the same IMO. I'm not saying that he wasn't replaced. but we need more than this.
May be the pic with Bill, the second one lili posted in her last post in this thread, may be helpful.
What about a comparison with a pic of Linda's brother?

[DarkHorse]

The Brian double looks to have a braoder, larger forehead and a smaller chin.

[noodles]

Isn't the 'Brian double' Brian Bennett from The Shadows?




www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Brian_Bennett.html

[JoJo]

Welcome Noodles! (interesting screen name)

In what context is that "Brian Double" picture from? I've seen it for such a long time, but just realized I have no idea where that's supposed to have been taken, and when. I have yet to see it in any book I own, but anyway..

This Brian Bennett has had quite the career:

By the mid 1970s, Brian was in demand as an arranger, conductor and record producer and had already started composing for film and television. ... (it goes on to the present day)



Not that this probably has much to do with anything, and I am totally unfamiliar with this group, but the guy on the left looks a little JPM-ish.

[noodles]

Thanks JoJo. The names doesn't mean anything other than I like noodles. I couldn't think of anything better and I was hungry. I've been lurking around here for a couple of week and found this place and all you guys incredibly fascinating.

I don't know anything about the Brian Epstein double picture other than it looks exactly like Brian Bennett. The first time I saw it was in this thread. Mr Bennett is somewhat of a legend though. I'm particularly a fan of his production music and some of his solo stuff.

[JoJo]

It's funny, I pictured you trying to think of a screen name, and seeing a box of noodles on the counter.. ;D

Glad you joined us, it's a facinating topic, what can I say?

The picture from the Penny Lane recording session IMO tends to make the person who's supposed to be Paul look more "off" than it does the Brian character. Brian sure was camera shy after late 1966, yes there are photos, but nothing like before.

It's still not settled either way for me..

[eyesbleed]

bluemeanie said:

the reason i say these things is that ive tried recently to turn people on to this and they see the pictures of paul pre and post 66 and admit there is a huge difference and then they see the other avenues people are taking this down and immediately they laugh and think its all a big joke

Not sure of yers or yer friends age Bluemeanie, but I'm 50-somethin'.
Try bringin' up PID to a bunch of ol'hippie musicians/artists who literally grew up with & pretty much worship The Beatles!
Talk about puttin' yer hands over yer ears & goin'
"lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala"

To say the least... it ain't taken too well most times.,
although a couple of'em have since admitted to noticing differences when watchin' Anthology or somethin'...
But they're still mighty wary of such craziness.

[Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl)]

noodles said:

Thanks JoJo. The names doesn't mean anything other than I like noodles. I couldn't think of anything better and I was hungry. I've been lurking around here for a couple of week and found this place and all you guys incredibly fascinating.

I don't know anything about the Brian Epstein double picture other than it looks exactly like Brian Bennett. The first time I saw it was in this thread. Mr Bennett is somewhat of a legend though. I'm particularly a fan of his production music and some of his solo stuff.

Hi, Noodles. I love your user nickname!

I hope you enjoy being here. Great post, btw.

[noodles]

musicalvagabond said:

noodles said:

Thanks JoJo. The names doesn't mean anything other than I like noodles. I couldn't think of anything better and I was hungry. I've been lurking around here for a couple of week and found this place and all you guys incredibly fascinating.

I don't know anything about the Brian Epstein double picture other than it looks exactly like Brian Bennett. The first time I saw it was in this thread. Mr Bennett is somewhat of a legend though. I'm particularly a fan of his production music and some of his solo stuff.

Hi, Noodles. I love your user nickname!

I hope you enjoy being here. Great post, btw.

Thanks Miss Vaggie. I am enjoying being here. You're a very friendly and interesting bunch of people.

[Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl)]

noodles said:

musicalvagabond said:

Hi, Noodles. I love your user nickname!

I hope you enjoy being here. Great post, btw.

Thanks Miss Vaggie. I am enjoying being here. You're a very friendly and interesting bunch of people.

*** Hugs ***