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Oct 14, 2004 9:50:17 GMT -5
Post by pennylane on Oct 14, 2004 9:50:17 GMT -5
Hello... I am relatively new to the whole Paul is Dead thing... i was wondering if anyone could perhaps point me to a thread or something that explains the theory.. and when's and how's of it all. Anyways it's good to be here Thanks
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Hi guys
Oct 14, 2004 11:58:52 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 14, 2004 11:58:52 GMT -5
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Oct 14, 2004 15:29:01 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Oct 14, 2004 15:29:01 GMT -5
Well Mr.Bug, Those aren't the best sites to start with, but whatever. The 2nd link is a pretty cool site & it's got a good collection of album clues & stuff all together for ya.
But the first link... well as soon as I read... "The clues, which seem so cleverly and intentionally arranged, have not been proven to be anything more than random coincidences or inaccurate interpretations of existing facts "
I don't need to read any further coz common sense should tell ya that ALL those clues could not be accidents & coincidences. The same denial approach used by all the insiders when this story broke in 69. Somehow all these clues are either a figment of everybody's imaginations, or it's just an accident.... And how could Paul be dead if you just interviewed him?
The 3rd link is Gary Patterson. Nuff said... don't bother. Too much misinformation there too.
To be honest, I think that just browsing thru threads right here would be a really good start. I think most stuff has been covered... leaving out all the 60IF conspiracy theories.
And besides, with our little bunch of PIA'er's hangin' around, you'll get input from both sides of the mystery. And I think that's a big plus for this forum.
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Hi guys
Oct 14, 2004 15:51:48 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 14, 2004 15:51:48 GMT -5
I don't need to read any further coz common sense should tell ya that ALL those clues could not be accidents & coincidences. Anybody looking at it should read further because there is a clue by clue analysis toward the bottom showing the problems with many of the clues. If one wants to research this PID story then you should read everything, especially an analysis of all of the clues, even if you don't agree with all of the analysis. Alot of the so-called clues are out and out lies made up by people just like so many other urban myths. It is true that some are accidents & coincidences, but not all. Others are made up while still others are misinterpretations by people with over active imaginations. Go through clue by clue and you find that many of these clues are just rubbish. Just for example, some of the clues are on albums and songs that were released long before Paul was supposed to have died. The so called hand over Paul's head that is an Indian sign for death. No such sign exists. It is a lie. Walrus is a symbol for death in some nordic culture. More BS. No culture has such a symbol. People back then made up a whole score of phony clues, and when you challenge the clues, they say it has be correct because there is a whole score of clues. Well, sure there is if you made them up. **Just as an addition, there is a site out there somewhere that lists a whole bunch of clues that show that John, Ringo and George died Paul was the only one still alive after '66. The clues they present are just as believable as the PID clues and they have just as many if not more. And you know what? They're all wrong.**
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Hi guys
Oct 14, 2004 16:34:25 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Oct 14, 2004 16:34:25 GMT -5
**Just as an addition, there is a site out there somewhere that lists a whole bunch of clues that show that John, Ringo and George died Paul was the only one still alive after '66. The clues they present are just as believable as the PID clues and they have just as many if not more. And you know what? They're all wrong.** "They're all wrong" includes PIA'ers right? Coz they are indeed as wrong as can be. They (& you) have been duped into believing a mirage, plain & simple. I'm sure this silly site yer referring to is amusing, but really, come on.! Without even mentioning PID, it is very obvious that at least 2 people have been "posing" as Paul. That is only obvious with Paul. Oh that's right, it's not obvious to you somehow.
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Hi guys
Oct 14, 2004 17:28:41 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Oct 14, 2004 17:28:41 GMT -5
I moved this to clues, because it's rapidly developing into that type of discussion. Apologies to PennyLane..
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Hi guys
Oct 14, 2004 18:06:22 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Oct 14, 2004 18:06:22 GMT -5
Anybody looking at it should read further because there is a clue by clue analysis toward the bottom showing the problems with many of the clues. If one wants to research this PID story then you should read everything, especially an analysis of all of the clues, even if you don't agree with all of the analysis. Alot of the so-called clues are out and out lies made up by people just like so many other urban myths. It is true that some are accidents & coincidences, but not all. Others are made up while still others are misinterpretations by people with over active imaginations.. After spending a few years checkin' out all this stuff I've come to my own conclusions as to basically what happened & when. Most of the regulars here have come to the same genereral conclusions. There is TONS of misinformation out there & you seem to have grabbed on to most of it. All of the misinformation that's easily proven wrong & the silly clues that aren't really clues are out there everywhere & are designed to confuse &/or misdirect most of the Jr.slueths. This has been one of the most effective ways of keeping this myth bulletproof. Lots of misinformation & deny everything (even the obvious) forever. It works. Go through clue by clue and you find that many of these clues are just rubbish... That's yer opinion.... but then, you can't tell the difference between the real clues & the fake/stupid ones. Like I said... it works (very well)
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Hi guys
Oct 14, 2004 21:34:40 GMT -5
Post by pennylane on Oct 14, 2004 21:34:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the links guys
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Oct 15, 2004 6:19:13 GMT -5
Post by Girl on Oct 15, 2004 6:19:13 GMT -5
Hey, it's not like we WANT Paul to be dead... we love Paul. If he's dead, bummer... I still haven't concluded, but there's too much evidence to ignore the possibility. And to me, the idea of a cover-up is not so far-fetched given the magnitude of their popularity and influence.
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Hi guys
Oct 15, 2004 8:55:05 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 15, 2004 8:55:05 GMT -5
Dang!
I really messed up PennyLane's thread! Apologies to PennyLane. I ain't going to post to this thread any more.
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Hi guys
Oct 15, 2004 12:34:41 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Oct 15, 2004 12:34:41 GMT -5
Dang! I really messed up PennyLane's thread! Apologies to PennyLane. I ain't going to post to this thread any more. I'll betcha PL didn't mind. It sure beats not being answered. Threads can sometimes take on a life of their own around here!
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Hi guys
Oct 15, 2004 17:54:18 GMT -5
Post by Girl on Oct 15, 2004 17:54:18 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
I think you're right.
I can attest to that!!
Thanks for your reply on the other thread!
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Hi guys
Oct 15, 2004 22:04:09 GMT -5
Post by pennylane on Oct 15, 2004 22:04:09 GMT -5
my thread is popular i like it
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Oct 16, 2004 10:17:54 GMT -5
Post by Girl on Oct 16, 2004 10:17:54 GMT -5
Oh.... cranberry sauce! ;D
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Oct 18, 2004 11:40:57 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 18, 2004 11:40:57 GMT -5
That's yer opinion.... but then, you can't tell the difference between the real clues & the fake/stupid ones. That's because there is no difference. But just for my edification, what are the real undisputable documented clues?
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Oct 18, 2004 18:17:25 GMT -5
Post by Morph on Oct 18, 2004 18:17:25 GMT -5
That's because there is no difference. But just for my edification, what are the real undisputable documented clues? My first guess would be that they're the ones pid-hoax writers explain away as "coincidence" or "it's not because I say so", and many of the ones they avoid mentioning at all.
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Hi guys
Oct 18, 2004 21:03:45 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Oct 18, 2004 21:03:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that some clues are real and undisputed, it's safe to say that they are almost entirely disputed. What I think is that many are red herrings, the ones presented to the public by for example the people at Apple when they made appearances on radio shows to answer questions from radio show hosts. The hosts asked about a few selected things people noticed, like the hand over the head on Pepper, the "walrus was Paul" business, The cover on the "Yesterday and Today" cover; both butcher and Paul in the trunk. All seemed like pointers to death in some way, particularly walrus as a symbol for death in one or more cultures. Walrus is important yes, for some reason it keeps appearing, it's there in the pepper cover if you hold a flat mirror in a certain place on the right of the album, it's there on MMT, it's part of the lyrics of Glass Onion. But someone said it's a death symbol and then when that couldn't be found as a cultural symbol of death anywhere, that means it's not important? No, it has some meaning, yet to be explained satisfactorily. Does a song, any song that an artist writes have some private meaning? Ask yourself that question rather than taking everything at face value. It's really very simple though, the clues that are "classic", the ones that are well known, were infused into the public awareness, thereby distracting from issues that should have been discussed, but were pushed away from people's minds, until they were discussed here and yes, at 60IF as well. No one was at least questioning whether he looked different, I think the PIA people have let slip from time to time that he does, just that there are logical explanations. But back then, the only basis for PID was the most ambiguous material possible, instead of simply launching a discussion based on the obvious questions; does he look and sound different? Nobody asked! Harb has done a good job of compiling the old clues at his site, and I realized in a recent visit that he's gotten a lot of new ideas from here.. Hey that's cool! A plug: mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/opd/index.html He even has the "hair part" business there.
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Oct 18, 2004 22:33:25 GMT -5
Post by joejoe on Oct 18, 2004 22:33:25 GMT -5
Paul and Faul seem to have very different personalities, unless too many drugs turned Paul into this asshat.
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Oct 19, 2004 7:45:25 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Oct 19, 2004 7:45:25 GMT -5
That's because there is no difference. But just for my edification, what are the real undisputable documented clues? Thanks JoJo for answering this so well. I couldn't do any better. What prompted me to post about you not knowing the difference was yer statement that William Cambell was invented by so&so. I don't care who invented W.Cambell coz that's part of the misinformation put out there from the very beginning..... so I'm sure it was invented by somebody!
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Oct 19, 2004 11:44:13 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 19, 2004 11:44:13 GMT -5
These "clues" were made up, and not by Apple or some sinister group, but by college students and radio jocks. It was a joke.
Keeps appearing? It shows up on MMT because there happened to be a song on it called "I Am The Walrus." Ok, so why Walrus? The Walrus came from the Lewis Carroll poem "Walrus and the Carpenter;" Lewis Carroll was a favorite of John Lennon.
Ah, but what about it appearing in "Glass Onion?" The references to previous songs were written by John in response to critics whom he felt over-analyzed "I Am The Walrus", and whom he wanted to confound. He referenced many prior songs, such as "Fixing a Hole", "Strawberry Fields", "Lady Madonna" and "Fool on a Hill". Walrus was just a reference to his own song just like the references to the other songs and was done to tweke critics which was typical John.
As far as Sgt Pepper using a mirror, never saw that before, but you start holding mirrors to images, you can come up with just about anything.
The point is, it was said earlier that common sense should tell ya that ALL those clues could not just be accidents & coincidences. That is true. Most were just made up, and not by Apple or some government agency, but by students and radio jocks having fun. Other clues are misinterpretations made by people with over active imaginations trying to find PID clues. They are not real and weren't put there to divert attention.
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Oct 19, 2004 12:04:32 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Oct 19, 2004 12:04:32 GMT -5
These "clues" were made up, and not by Apple or some sinister group, but by college students and radio jocks. It was a joke. The very early & tragic demise of JPM is no joke!
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Oct 19, 2004 13:35:07 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 19, 2004 13:35:07 GMT -5
The very early & tragic demise of JPM is no joke! If that were true, it would be no joke.
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Oct 19, 2004 13:40:18 GMT -5
Post by Red Lion on Oct 19, 2004 13:40:18 GMT -5
ALL those clues could not just be accidents & coincidences. That is true. Most were just made up, and not by Apple or some government agency, but by students and radio jocks having fun. Students and radio jocks were neither involved in the creation of Beatles album covers or their lyrical compositions. The walrus, car crashes, loss of hair, head trauma, death, not arriving , and the name Bill are common recurring themes from Pepper to Abbey rd. The Beatles adamant denial that any clues even existed, after they placed them time and again, should speak volumes to even a casual observer.
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Oct 19, 2004 14:23:25 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 19, 2004 14:23:25 GMT -5
Students and radio jocks were neither involved in the creation of Beatles album covers or their lyrical compositions. The walrus, car crashes, loss of hair, head trauma, death, not arriving , and the name Bill are common recurring themes from Pepper to Abbey rd. The Beatles adamant denial that any clues even existed, after they placed them time and again, should speak volumes to even a casual observer. No they were not involved in the creation, but they were involved in the interpretation and presenting things on the albums as clues that are not clues. Let us look at some of these "clues": -- Hand over Paul's head that is some Indian death sign. Made up - no such Indian sign. -- Phone number on MMT cover - no such number, it was made up so it was not a clue put there by anybody. These were not clues put there by the Beatles or Apple or whoever. They were stuff on the album that these people turned into clues. What about the lyrics? --Walrus - I dealt with that above. How many references to walruses in songs? Two. And the second was referencing the first as described above. --Death - Death is a common theme with many artists, song writers and authors. Death is a big part of life and was a big part of their lives. Stuart died, Paul's mother died, Brian died, John's mother died. There was a war on and there was the drug culture which involved many deaths. That is going to flow through their music. Look at rap music, heavy metal. Lot of death in there, but no replacements in those groups. --How many Beatle songs deal with losing hair? --Bill - How many? Two? Let's see, there were many other names in Beatle tunes. Maxwell, Valerie, Rose, Chuck, Vera, Dave, Rita, Lucy, Rocky, Daniel, Julia and others. Just because Bill shows up a couple of times, that is a recurring theme? I don't think so. --Head Trauma - How many songs about head trauma? If you look through all of their songs, you can find many recurring themes. How about love, guns, dancing, money, Liverpool, smoking, loneliness. These occur just as much if not more as those mentioned above. There are more references about smoking than about burning hair. Seems to me, they just wrote about things that were prominent in their lives just as anybody would. You can't just pick a few words and phrases out of dozens of unrelated songs and point to them as some kind of recurring theme.
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Oct 19, 2004 14:27:06 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Oct 19, 2004 14:27:06 GMT -5
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