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Post by Paul Bearer on Jan 21, 2007 23:16:33 GMT -5
The song was a big hit in New Zealand, sung by an artist called Shane.
JoJo, do you have the Shane version? I can give it to you if you want it.
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Post by JoJo on Jan 22, 2007 5:58:18 GMT -5
Would like that, thanks.
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Post by babydolly on Mar 19, 2008 22:40:55 GMT -5
The *body* on the beach in this photograph looks like an upper-half man lower-half walrus to me. A Paulrus ?
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Post by B on Mar 20, 2008 10:00:38 GMT -5
photograph?
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Post by bosshugo on Mar 20, 2008 14:54:18 GMT -5
In May of '69, Terry Knight released a 45 rpm titled "St Paul." It predates the rumours by several months. Oddest yet, it was owned by Maclen Music, John and Pauls private publishing company. It remains the only non-Lennon/McCartney song in the collection. Does anyone else think the Maclen business is much ado about nothing? The chorus of the song is deliberately based around the chord progression of "Hey Jude," and that song is quoted along with "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Hello Goodbye" and "All You Need Is Love." Could the meeting with Paul at Apple before its release just be a handshake agreement to get around the copyright infringement? So Lennon/McCartney could still get some compensation while Terry Knight remains the sole songwriting credit? When the soundtrack to The Rutles was released, ATV sued Neil Innes because the original songs he wrote for the project were based on Beatles songs that ATV owned. In lieu of a nasty (no pun intended) protracted court battle, they elected to change the songwriting credits to Lennon/McCartney/Innes. Could it be that a similar arrangement was made with Terry Knight? Or would it be different if Neil wrote a song called "Stig Has Been Dead For Ages, Honestly?"
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Post by iameye on Mar 20, 2008 15:44:48 GMT -5
In May of '69, Terry Knight released a 45 rpm titled "St Paul." It predates the rumours by several months. Oddest yet, it was owned by Maclen Music, John and Pauls private publishing company. It remains the only non-Lennon/McCartney song in the collection. Does anyone else think the Maclen business is much ado about nothing? The chorus of the song is deliberately based around the chord progression of "Hey Jude," and that song is quoted along with "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Hello Goodbye" and "All You Need Is Love." Could the meeting with Paul at Apple before its release just be a handshake agreement to get around the copyright infringement? So Lennon/McCartney could still get some compensation while Terry Knight remains the sole songwriting credit? When the soundtrack to The Rutles was released, ATV sued Neil Innes because the original songs he wrote for the project were based on Beatles songs that ATV owned. In lieu of a nasty (no pun intended) protracted court battle, they elected to change the songwriting credits to Lennon/McCartney/Innes. Could it be that a similar arrangement was made with Terry Knight? Or would it be different if Neil wrote a song called "Stig Has Been Dead For Ages, Honestly?" Sounds like a legally sound argument.
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Post by iameye on Mar 20, 2008 15:48:59 GMT -5
Sir Isaac Newton told you it would fall You didn't listen St Paul..
These lines dont fit in to context........do they? Apple, gravity, how or why didn't he listen?
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Post by iburiedpaul on Mar 20, 2008 16:42:22 GMT -5
Does anyone else think the Maclen business is much ado about nothing? The chorus of the song is deliberately based around the chord progression of "Hey Jude," and that song is quoted along with "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Hello Goodbye" and "All You Need Is Love." Could the meeting with Paul at Apple before its release just be a handshake agreement to get around the copyright infringement? So Lennon/McCartney could still get some compensation while Terry Knight remains the sole songwriting credit? When the soundtrack to The Rutles was released, ATV sued Neil Innes because the original songs he wrote for the project were based on Beatles songs that ATV owned. In lieu of a nasty (no pun intended) protracted court battle, they elected to change the songwriting credits to Lennon/McCartney/Innes. Could it be that a similar arrangement was made with Terry Knight? Or would it be different if Neil wrote a song called "Stig Has Been Dead For Ages, Honestly?" Sounds like a legally sound argument. I am not a lawyer but it seems to me the Rutles and possibly Terry Knight should be protected under parody?
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 20, 2008 17:12:29 GMT -5
In May of '69, Terry Knight released a 45 rpm titled "St Paul." It predates the rumours by several months. Oddest yet, it was owned by Maclen Music, John and Pauls private publishing company. It remains the only non-Lennon/McCartney song in the collection. Does anyone else think the Maclen business is much ado about nothing? The chorus of the song is deliberately based around the chord progression of "Hey Jude," and that song is quoted along with "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Hello Goodbye" and "All You Need Is Love." Could the meeting with Paul at Apple before its release just be a handshake agreement to get around the copyright infringement? So Lennon/McCartney could still get some compensation while Terry Knight remains the sole songwriting credit? When the soundtrack to The Rutles was released, ATV sued Neil Innes because the original songs he wrote for the project were based on Beatles songs that ATV owned. In lieu of a nasty (no pun intended) protracted court battle, they elected to change the songwriting credits to Lennon/McCartney/Innes. Could it be that a similar arrangement was made with Terry Knight? Or would it be different if Neil wrote a song called "Stig Has Been Dead For Ages, Honestly?" Aren't you missing something? What would prompt Terry Knight, in the first place, to write a song suggesting that Paul McCartney is dead and why would Maclen want to involve itself with such a song?
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Post by B on Mar 20, 2008 17:37:07 GMT -5
"Saint Paul" threads: St. Paul (this one) invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=1168480852SAINT PAUL invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=members1&action=display&thread=1190788794iameye wrote: "These lines dont fit in to context........do they? Apple, gravity, how or why didn't he listen?"in context: "You had a different view. Hey there Paul what's new? Did Judas talk to you, or did you put the whole world on? I think there's something wrong; It's taken you too long to change the world; Sir Isaac Newton told you it would fall. You didn't listen St Paul!"In the larger context (imperfect lyrics transcription by Jojo from first page) : I looked into the sky Everything was high Higher than it seemed to be to me Standing by the sea Thinking I was free Did I hear you call or was I dreaming then St. Paul..
You..knew it all along Something had gone wrong They couldn't hear your song of sadness in the air While they were crying out beware Your flowers and long hair While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall...
You saved one minute of your life to the future They said you've got dues to pay today You say it's a fool who plays it cool Sir And if tomorrow comes you know they'll all hear St. Paul say..
Let me take you down down down down down down down down...
You had a different view Hey there Paul what's new? Did Judas really talk to you or did you put us on? I think there's something wrong It's taken you too long to change the world Sir Isaac Newton said it had to fall Hey St Paul...
(Hey Jude reprise instrumental for a bit)
You saved one minute of your life to the future They said you've got dues to pay today You say it's a fool who plays it cool Sir And if tomorrow comes you know they'll all hear St. Paul say..
I read the news today oh boy...
(ADITL orchestra build)
You had a different view Hey there Paul what's new? Did Judas talk to you or did you put the whole world on? I think there's something wrong It's taken you too long to change the world Sir Isaac Newton told you it would fall
You didn't listen St Paul..
Hey Jude reprise..
Na..na na na na na na na na...Hey Paul Na..na na na na na na na na...Hey Paul (repeats)
Background:
You say yes, I say no I say hi...
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
She loves you yeah yeah yeah She loves you yeah yeah yeah She loves you yeah yeah yeah
Love is all you need (13 times) -------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't see the lyrics being out of place, Iameye. Not sure what you meant. Here's a song I didn't know about: Slippery St. Paul The Doobie Brothers Down along the river Where the big bulrushes grow You find the old frog jumpin the water He won't come up no more, babe He won't come up no more, baby He won't come up no more, woo He won't come up no more, sugar mama He won't come up no more Smell that burnin' fire, baby Burnin' in the sand See that devil rise, mama He sho' wanna take yo' hand, now He sho' wanna take yo' hand, baby He sho' wanna take yo' hand, woo He sho' wanna take yo' hand, sugar mama He sho' wanna take yo' hand, Oh, harvest moon Keep shinin' your light down on me The Lord reach out his hand My soul floats out to thee I don't feel no pain When they shot me down (I've told you so.)Lay my body out, baby They put me in the ground so cold They put me in the ground, baby They put me in the ground, woo They put me in the ground, sugar mama They put me in the ground
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Post by JoJo on Apr 13, 2008 17:40:46 GMT -5
Someone set the music to misc video clips: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K8D2v3S9N0However, the description contains some info that may be new to some: Terry Knight formed a rock band in 1965. Attractive, personable, and blessed with a silver tongue, Knight left the band in 1967 to persue solo ambitions. He flew into London hoping to schmooze the new Apple label into signing him. McCartney called him to England, Apple bought him a plane ticket,he invited him to sing. They had lunch in London with Linda McCartney and Twiggy, Roger Moore and Peter Sellers. Then he went to the studio in Soho where Yoko and Ringo and everyone else was assembled. It was the session where it all was over (Ringo walked out during the White Album sessions). He went back to New York empty-handed and he wrote the song Saint Paul on the flight.
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Post by ZeroCorpse on Apr 15, 2008 22:27:47 GMT -5
So there it is. He witnessed the Beatles falling apart, first-hand, and wrote a song about it.
It's a mourning tune for apparent (to him) demise of the Beatles.
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 23:53:04 GMT -5
So there it is. He witnessed the Beatles falling apart, first-hand, and wrote a song about it. It's a mourning tune for apparent (to him) demise of the Beatles. The song is enigmatic. That is what it's supposed to be about. It's only addressed to one Beatle though - the Beatle known as "Paul" - and not to the Beatles as a group. And the song has an ethereal quality about it that suggests death on more than just a symbolic basis. There are other discordances between what opinion-makers insist that the song is about and what the song actually says. It's supposed to be an ode specifically directed to Paul McCartney and it's supposed to be expressing empathy towards his point of view concerning the impending Beatles break-up. The lyrics, to me, seem far more caustic than that -- reading instead like a manner of castigation of McCartney for unspecified acts. And while it's not clear what those acts were, the song lyrics suggest hubris on his part; they suggest betrayal of some sort ("did Judas talk to you... etc.?"); and they suggest an inevitability of tragedy ("Sir Isaac Newton said it had to fall") and an unpreparedness on the part of the subject for the tragedy ("you saved one minute of your life to the future"). Really, I don't see how anyone can regard those lyrics as being particularly flattering towards "McCartney". Still, I don't know what exactly the song means, and Terry Knight made it a point not to talk about it. But the song simply doesn't mean what the establishment SAYS that it means, and it's one more enigma that is part of the whole mess.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 16, 2008 0:07:43 GMT -5
I wonder if there's more documentation for this? It had previously been reported that Twiggy was an intemediary in arranging the meeting - which Knight had pushed for having already written the song in questionI must admit, I have been hoarding an old buffalo teen rock newsletter from 1965 where terry knight talks about meeting The Beatles. So he obviously knew who Paul was. (Toronto, where FAUL is said to be from, is about halfway between Buffalo and Detroit, where Terry Knight and Russ Gibb are from. ) Someone set the music to misc video clips: However, the description contains some info that may be new to some: Terry Knight formed a rock band in 1965. Attractive, personable, and blessed with a silver tongue, Knight left the band in 1967 to persue solo ambitions. He flew into London hoping to schmooze the new Apple label into signing him. McCartney called him to England, Apple bought him a plane ticket,he invited him to sing. They had lunch in London with Linda McCartney and Twiggy, Roger Moore and Peter Sellers. Then he went to the studio in Soho where Yoko and Ringo and everyone else was assembled. It was the session where it all was over (Ringo walked out during the White Album sessions). He went back to New York empty-handed and he wrote the song Saint Paul on the flight.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 16, 2008 0:13:55 GMT -5
Retards and crackheads think as such. A paid operative might be paid to pretend to think as such. Hope this helps. Does anyone else think the Maclen business is much ado about nothing?
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Post by JoJo on Apr 16, 2008 14:24:18 GMT -5
I wonder if there's more documentation for this? It had previously been reported that Twiggy was an intemediary in arranging the meeting - which Knight had pushed for having already written the song in questionIt's the first I've heard of this version of the story, so agree it needs backup.
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Post by ZeroCorpse on Apr 16, 2008 16:03:20 GMT -5
Being from Michigan, and having lived in Detroit and the surrounding area, I find it interesting how often Detroit comes into this whole topic when you get into the alleged connections.
Terry Knight - Detroit John Small, Dan Carlisle, and Russ Gibb - Detroit PID first publicly announced on radio station in Detroit Manson victim Jay Sebring - Born and raised in Detroit (total coincidence, but still...) Aleister Crowley established the O.T.O. (Equinox) in Detroit. He came in 1919. (9s and 11) Detroit has particular strong Masonic presence & influence: - The Masonic Temple in Detroit is the biggest in the world. Cornerstone placed Sept. 19, 1922, using the same trowel that George Washington used lay the U.S. Capital cornerstone. - It houses the Masonic Temple Theater, which is now managed by Mike Ilitch's Olympia Entertainment, whose predecessors were Olympia Stadium Corporation. - The Beatles played Detroit Olympia Stadium on August 13, 1966 - Mike Ilitch (owner of the Tigers, Little Ceasars, and half of Detroit via Olympia) is a rumored high-level Mason. - Crowley was a high-level Mason (though he ended up at odds with them).
The Beatles were influenced by Detroit's music:
(From an interview in Detroit, September 6th, 1964) Q: "Which artist or musical group do you think has most influenced your music?" JOHN: (jokingly) "Nicki Cuff." PAUL: "Nicki Cuff, I'd say. No, uhh... American colored groups, mainly. And early Elvis Presley." GEORGE: "In fact, The Detroit Sound." JOHN: "In fact, yes." GEORGE: "In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miricles." JOHN: "We like Marvin Gaye." GEORGE: "The Impressions, Marvin Gaye." PAUL & GEORGE: "Mary Wells." GEORGE: "The Exciters." JOHN: "To name but eighty." RINGO: "Chuck Jackson."
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 16, 2008 16:52:49 GMT -5
Being from Michigan, and having lived in Detroit and the surrounding area, I find it interesting how often Detroit comes into this whole topic when you get into the alleged connections. Terry Knight - Detroit John Small, Dan Carlisle, and Russ Gibb - Detroit PID first publicly announced on radio station in Detroit Manson victim Jay Sebring - Born and raised in Detroit (total coincidence, but still...) Aleister Crowley established the O.T.O. (Equinox) in Detroit. He came in 1919. (9s and 11)Detroit has particular strong Masonic presence & influence: - The Masonic Temple in Detroit is the biggest in the world. Cornerstone placed Sept. 19, 1922, using the same trowel that George Washington used lay the U.S. Capital cornerstone. - It houses the Masonic Temple Theater, which is now managed by Mike Ilitch's Olympia Entertainment, whose predecessors were Olympia Stadium Corporation. - The Beatles played Detroit Olympia Stadium on August 13, 1966 - Mike Ilitch (owner of the Tigers, Little Ceasars, and half of Detroit via Olympia) is a rumored high-level Mason. - Crowley was a high-level Mason (though he ended up at odds with them). The Beatles were influenced by Detroit's music: (From an interview in Detroit, September 6th, 1964) Q: "Which artist or musical group do you think has most influenced your music?" JOHN: (jokingly) "Nicki Cuff." PAUL: "Nicki Cuff, I'd say. No, uhh... American colored groups, mainly. And early Elvis Presley." GEORGE: "In fact, The Detroit Sound." JOHN: "In fact, yes." GEORGE: "In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miricles." JOHN: "We like Marvin Gaye." GEORGE: "The Impressions, Marvin Gaye." PAUL & GEORGE: "Mary Wells." GEORGE: "The Exciters." JOHN: "To name but eighty." RINGO: "Chuck Jackson." February 7, 1964 press conference at JFK airport Q: "In Detroit Michigan, they're handing out car stickers saying, 'Stamp Out The Beatles.'" PAUL: "Yeah well... first of all, we're bringing out a Stamp Out Detroit campaign."
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Post by Paul Bearer on Apr 16, 2008 18:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by To Hint Of Hellhole on Apr 22, 2008 22:15:26 GMT -5
"Saint Paul" threads: I read the news today oh boy... (ADITL orchestra build) At this point in the song (around 2:40,) the voice sounds different, so I reversed it... sounds like " ahhhh, paul is truly... ?something something?? ".. Anybody else wanna give it a shot and see what they hear? Heh.. See what you Hear.
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Post by superman on Dec 29, 2008 18:52:09 GMT -5
The little person really does look like a dead Walrus. A walrus carcass that's been washed up on the beach. While "Paul" is imitating a crucified man.
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Post by B on Dec 30, 2008 10:18:30 GMT -5
The image seems to represent death and rebirth. Someone pointed out that the gesture of Faul is a masonic stance meaning "greeting of the sun" or something close to that.
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Post by thisone on Jan 1, 2009 8:17:40 GMT -5
Leonard Cohen "The Future"
These lyrics might offend some - don't blame me!
Give me back my broken night my mirrored room, my secret life it's lonely here, there's no one left to torture Give me absolute control over every living soul And lie beside me, baby, that's an order! Give me crack and anal sex Take the only tree that's left and stuff it up the hole in your culture Give me back the Berlin wall give me Stalin and St Paul I've seen the future, brother: it is murder.
Things are going to slide, slide in all directions Won't be nothing Nothing you can measure anymore The blizzard, the blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold and it has overturned the order of the soul When they said REPENT REPENT I wonder what they meant When they said REPENT REPENT I wonder what they meant When they said REPENT REPENT I wonder what they meant
You don't know me from the wind you never will, you never did I'm the little jew who wrote the Bible I've seen the nations rise and fall I've heard their stories, heard them all but love's the only engine of survival Your servant here, he has been told to say it clear, to say it cold: It's over, it ain't going any further And now the wheels of heaven stop you feel the devil's riding crop Get ready for the future: it is murder
Things are going to slide ...
There'll be the breaking of the ancient western code Your private life will suddenly explode There'll be phantoms There'll be fires on the road and the white man dancing You'll see a woman hanging upside down her features covered by her fallen gown and all the lousy little poets coming round tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson and the white man dancin'
Give me back the Berlin wall Give me Stalin and St Paul Give me Christ or give me Hiroshima Destroy another fetus now We don't like children anyhow I've seen the future, baby: it is murder
Things are going to slide ...
When they said REPENT REPENT ...
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Post by the♂winged on Jun 28, 2010 21:31:03 GMT -5
I don't know when it was said, but here's John (?) on the Butcher album cover: JOHN: MY ORIGINAL IDEA FOR THE COVER WAS BETTER - DECAPITATE PAUL - BUT HE WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH IT.Remember in 1969 people were talking about Paul possibly got decapitated in an alleged car crash. Here's a decapitation of St. Paul... "You didn't listen, St. Paul..." AHA! *clap* The Bible does not tell us how or when Paul died, and history does not provide us with any information. The only thing we have to go on is Christian tradition, which has Paul being beheaded in Rome, around the mid-60s AD, during the reign of Nero at Tre Fontane Abbey (English: Three Fountains Abbey) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_of_TarsusFurthermore, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Saint_Paul_Outside_the_Walls#The_tomb_of_St._PaulThe Papal Basilica of St Paul Outside the Walls (Italian: Basilica Papale di San Paolo fuori le Mura), commonly known as St Paul-without-the-Walls, is one of four churches that are the great ancient major basilicas or papal basilicas of Rome: the basilicas of St. John Lateran, St. Mary Major, and St. Peter's and Saint Paul Outside the Walls. Archbishop Francesco Monterisi, named in 2009, is the current archpriest of this basilica. HistoryThe basilica was founded by the Roman Emperor Constantine I over the burial place of Saint Paul, where it was said that, after the Apostle's execution, his followers erected a memorial, called a cella memoriae. This first edifice was expanded under Valentinian I, in the 370s.
In 386, Emperor Theodosius I began the erection of a much larger and more beautiful basilica with a nave and four aisles with a transept; the work including the mosaics was not completed till the pontificate of Leo I (440-461). In the 5th century it was even larger than the Old St. Peter's Basilica. The Christian poet Prudentius, who saw it at the time of emperor Honorius (395–423), describes the splendours of the monument in a few expressive lines. As it was dedicated also to Saints Taurinus and Herculanus, martyrs of Ostia in the 5th century, it was called the basilica trium Dominorum ("basilica of Three Lords").Who's Prudentius? Let's see... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrudentiusAurelius Prudentius Clemens was a Roman Christian poet, born in the Roman province of Tarraconensis (now Northern Spain) in 348. He probably died in Spain, as well, some time after 405, possibly around 413. The place of his birth is uncertain, but it may have been Caesaraugusta Saragossa, Tarraco Tarragona, or Calagurris Calahorra.
Prudentius practised law with some success, and was twice provincial governor, perhaps in his native country, before the emperor Theodosius I summoned him to court. Towards the end of his life (possibly around 392) Prudentius retired from public life to become an ascetic, fasting until evening and abstaining entirely from animal food. Prudentius later collected the Christian poems written during this period and added a preface, which he himself dated 405."Dear Prudence, won't you come out and play?..."
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Post by B on Jul 13, 2010 11:22:52 GMT -5
Curious, ain't it?
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