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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 15, 2004 17:38:36 GMT -5
In MMT, right before the dream sequence, you hear John's voice saying: "Ringo's aunt is dreaming about food..." and she's smiling and crying at the same time. While that's happening, for about a second or two, they flash something very strange. Like a mixture between a man and a dog, a human head and eyes (wide open), but like a dog nose and mouth. The body looks shrivled, and looks like it's holding it's arms out as if it's crucified... It seems a little fake, but real at the same time. People who've seen the movie will know what I mean.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 16, 2004 8:49:37 GMT -5
Ya, it looks like either a dogs head or maybe a cows head(?). It looks a little more like a dogs nose tho. Very strange indeed.
My favorite freeze-frame moment in MMT has to be the "Magical Mystery Boy" corpse that can be seen during Blue Jay Way.
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 16, 2004 14:47:40 GMT -5
Ya, it looks like either a dogs head or maybe a cows head(?). It looks a little more like a dogs nose tho. Very strange indeed. Cows head? No, the eyes look very human. Take another look.
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Post by eggy on Mar 16, 2004 15:50:32 GMT -5
We need someone for make that screen capture, i dont have the movie
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Post by Spanky on Mar 16, 2004 16:09:11 GMT -5
i have the movie but don't know how to do what your asking..
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Post by JoJo on Mar 16, 2004 16:25:50 GMT -5
I'll do it, as soon as a few errands are out of the way..
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 16, 2004 16:50:38 GMT -5
Thanks Jojo, you're the best.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 16, 2004 17:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by revolver on Mar 16, 2004 18:46:10 GMT -5
Could that eye be from be the rocking horse John was riding in the Blue Jay Way sequence?
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Post by JoJo on Mar 16, 2004 19:05:51 GMT -5
I don't know if this is much help, but...
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 16, 2004 19:39:54 GMT -5
Great job Jojo! To me, the eye and hair is definately human. I don't know about the rest. IMO, it's not John. It's someone I've never seen before.
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 16, 2004 21:17:40 GMT -5
I see a dogs head with its eye being the mans open mouth
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Post by JoJo on Mar 16, 2004 22:34:50 GMT -5
I didn't see that before, yes it looks like some kind of animal at least. But if it does, IMO it's more like a cow. It still seems like a person's face behind the animal profile, with the eye covering up where the mouth would be, or the eye as a mouth/eye.
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Post by Doc on Mar 17, 2004 1:00:45 GMT -5
Composites.
Not to mention the sunken face NEXT to Auntie, on HER right, we see it on the left of her. Its partly tucked away in a coat the looks like a headless torso, with a rope or cord hangman style around it.
There seems to be a hypodermic inserted into the "Cows" mandible, where the jaw down toward the neck might be.
The little coat to the left of her head, the bottons form eyes with impressionso in the shoulder part making nose and lips.
That big cow eye IS a human eye if you see it from another perspective.
That appears to be a human face with the mouth blown completely out. It looks like a...... .walrus. This is not pretty. There are two overlapping views of it. One perpective is in a normal perspective to us (up and down) , the other perspective makes the "cow" eye into a human eye. IN which case the face is perpendicular to our perspective. The rest of the cow head is really human head, in a ghastly state as we have heard, the mouth begins at THE RIGHT EDGE OF THE PICTURE we see. The dark part is the mouth/hole.
It suggests that someone's lower face was blown completely away, or removed somehow. The facial skin degraded and decomposed in the elements; the open, gaping mouth with the hardened leftover folds of flesh around the cheek and nose form the "walrus" mouth.
Walrus. They weren't kidding.
So, a hint of morbidity? This is like, not for kids.
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Post by Doc on Mar 17, 2004 1:12:52 GMT -5
Actually, trying to decide if that is a left eye human male, or right eye human male. If it is the right eye, then it has one certain look to him. If it is the left eye, then I see the walrus thing. Can't quite decide.
Surely not autopsy stills superimposed?
No wonder she is having a bad dream.
The cow's "nose" doubles as a skull x-ray over Auntie's nose and mouth. She is crinkling her nose. No small wonder.
Whatever happened to this person, I pray that it was over with very very quickly.
Does anyone else see these images?
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Post by eggy on Mar 17, 2004 8:01:46 GMT -5
GREAT JOB JOJO!!!! THANKS A LOT!!! Its very strange, for me its such a horse head with human eyes, i'm really confused
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Post by Doc on Mar 17, 2004 22:10:54 GMT -5
Today I am more rested, so its lookin' just like an ailing equine, or donkey, or even a rocking horse head from the fixed look of it. Just some jumbled and strange composites. I am NOT , today, seeing corpse-flesh or grotesque-ittude.
Sleep is good. Ja.
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Post by FlamingPie on Apr 9, 2004 0:24:18 GMT -5
Okay, back to the subject, what is that thing?
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Post by Doc on Apr 9, 2004 1:31:58 GMT -5
I percieve it to be made from composites. I think at least 5 layers. The large eye(whethere its horse or human), the skull overlapping Auntie's face, the other eye and forehead with light brown hair just above the big eye, the hypodermic that would be injecting the horses mouth, if that's what it was, and the "snout of the horse" which I percieve more as an arm's cross-section. She's having nightmares. Dream images can be horrible and jumbled.
She may have indigestion.
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Post by FlamingPie on Apr 9, 2004 1:35:00 GMT -5
I percieve it to be made from composites. I think at least 5 layers. The large eye(whethere its horse or human), the skull overlapping Auntie's face, the other eye and forehead with light brown hair just above the big eye, the hypodermic that would be injecting the horses mouth, if that's what it was, and the "snout of the horse" which I percieve more as an arm's cross-section. She's having nightmares. Dream images can be horrible and jumbled. But here's the question: Why? What does it mean?
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Post by Doc on Apr 9, 2004 2:56:57 GMT -5
Well, that style of composite overload a la LSD trip was ubiquitous in those years. It could be that Mr. Lester was going through a phase of playing with that approach, and just HAD to contrive a way to work it into his current project, MMT. He may have had a creative urge from the cosmos, he may have been fooling around with multiple exposures and such. Maybe he by chance captured Auntie What'sherface nodding off and making those disturbed faces, and in the "daily's" later that night, conceived the BRILLIANT!! idea of a "bad-dream-morbid-psychosis-montage" hoping for some enthused mention from the cogniscenti critics in the London rags.
It is consistent with "theatre of the absurd" juxtapositions. Monty Python and such grew from and out of these earlier streams.
So, really, it could be just, "ART" in all of its creative innocence.
Or, its part of a plot to clue us to death.
Maybe it was John wanting us to sunconsciously see James Paul's miserable end, a thing that, if true, no doubt would have left him traumatized for life. Now, how he would have cornered Lester and the scriptwriter into such a move is beyond me. But, maybe there were discreet understandings along these lines from day one. Maybe what screwed John up in the end was the fragility of his emotions. We'll never know. One thing hinges on another, and the links are sketchy to the maximum.
Maybe I'll watch the whole hour of it again to see if the images are alluded to in a earlier scene. I wasn't LOOKING for clues such as those, so, I missed em. I have to find a better print. The one I found to rent (and I searched) looks like a 9th generation indirect print of a kinescope. It is almost colorless in spots and washed out. Hard to find in this town. Maybe I'll have to rent the whole Anthology. That is available here.
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Post by FlamingPie on Apr 9, 2004 3:32:13 GMT -5
Look for it on eBay.
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Post by LarryC on Apr 17, 2004 9:46:50 GMT -5
I see a dogs head with its eye being the mans open mouth Perhaps if we all did a hit of some Orange Sunshine or some Purple Haze we'd be able to make better sense of this. This is certainly trippy...amazing what they can put into one single frame eh? I see an aligator or some other reptile...maybe I've been working along the Gulf Coast too long...hehe.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Sept 13, 2004 18:01:09 GMT -5
Speaking of skulls has someone brought up the skull in Faul's bath yet?
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Post by revolver on Sept 13, 2004 20:24:24 GMT -5
Speaking of skulls has someone brought up the skull in Faul's bath yet? You mean Faul in the bath on the White Album poster? Where is the skull?
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