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Post by skyward on Jul 25, 2007 23:27:53 GMT -5
The Night Before at YouTube Such a distinct quality to Paul's vocals and mannerisms that I just don't see later on... Someone made an animated gif avatar of this video showing Paul's quirks and I thought it was notable.
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Post by CoconutFudge on Jul 25, 2007 23:33:29 GMT -5
I very much agree with what you said! That's a great video for depicting it, too. Thanks for posting it!  I have trouble understanding sometimes how people are sometimes unable to recognize the most blatant characteristics that Faul simply doesn't not possess.  |
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Post by thisone on Jul 26, 2007 9:49:09 GMT -5
The Night Before at YouTube Such a distinct quality to Paul's vocals and mannerisms that I just don't see later on... Someone made an animated gif avatar of this video showing Paul's quirks and I thought it was notable. Thanks for posting this. This, is who I regard to be the real PMC, I could be wrong, others may agree or disagree - as is their perogative.  For a marked contrast in appearance see Hey Jude youtube.com/watch?v=YXG83p2nkHw And the/my jury is out on this one -  youtube.com/watch?v=bdCjaiXmUb0 |
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Post by CoconutFudge on Jul 26, 2007 13:49:37 GMT -5
Thisone,
I think that the last one has Paulish mannerisms. If it was muted and you just were to look at that particular still, I think you're right, it looks a bit Faulish. Have you seen the rest of the Japan concert. I personally think that it's Paul in that concert.
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Post by mommybird on Jul 27, 2007 11:22:20 GMT -5
If he had Faulish mannerisms, it could be because Faul has indeed emulated some of Paul's mannerisms. That is how he has been able to keep the wool over the eyes of so many people, for so very long. |
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Post by thisone on Jul 27, 2007 12:56:33 GMT -5
Thisone, I think that the last one has Paulish mannerisms. If it was muted and you just were to look at that particular still, I think you're right, it looks a bit Faulish. Have you seen the rest of the Japan concert. I personally think that it's Paul in that concert. Yes I did watch all the Japan thing, and like I said, I cant quite make up my mind. One thing struck me tho' - the one fingered bass playing as opposed to the skilful handling thereof in the Night Before vid. The forehead/brow and pointed nose also makes me wonder. |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 27, 2007 13:30:43 GMT -5
One thing struck me tho' - the one fingered bass playing as opposed to the skilful handling thereof in the Night Before vid. This makes me think of the variations in bass playing skill on the records. Rain has some tight bass riffing going on. By contrast, the bass player on Baby You're A Rich Man is barely competent, timing off, etc. (I am being generous by the way). -j |
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 27, 2007 13:51:19 GMT -5
Hey Bulldog and Paperback Writer also have some pretty intricate basslines.
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Post by thisone on Jul 27, 2007 13:57:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but who was playing them? I met a guy in a studio a few years back, who played behind the curtains at Bay City Rollers gigs. Is there the possibility that there were twin McCartneys? When one twin kills another to steal his magic... youtube.com/watch?v=60CEfXrktsM |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 27, 2007 14:12:46 GMT -5
Is there the possibility that there were twin McCartneys? When one twin kills another to steal his magic... That sounds like what I suggested in the Sir Gent Paper thread, only I was kidding. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=1183130221It was twenty years ago today It was twin tears, a goat to die Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play Sir Gent Paper thought to ban two-ply Before we dismiss The Beatles' having used "sounds like" in their lyrics, consider The Great Wok, where (among other things) John borrows a phrase from William Q. Judge's work, The Ocean of Theosophy. Judge: "No mind can comprehend the infinite and absolute unknown..." Lennon: "No mind can comprehend the infinite and absolute anon..." -j |
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Post by skyward on Jul 27, 2007 14:30:18 GMT -5
Is it noteworthy that GOAT is an acronym for Greatest of All Time?
Assuming a change was made, it stands to reason that the difference would, most likely, be blatantly obvious when the new Paul stepped up on stage to play the bass in the exact same manner that JPM did, he couldn't so they didn't.
When you are playing an instrument, isn't it a case where your actions, quirks, and movement is more or less involuntary, it is a part of who you are. Typically, you're not consciously moving this way or that way or twitching your neck or whatever.
A stand-in has to take time to study all of those mannerisms and they have to incorporate that 'body of work' into their own performance demeanor, and that takes time and practice... And even then, when you're worrying about hitting all the right notes, you might fall back on you're own style of playing.
If they continued to play LIVE, then perhaps, everyone would KNOW that they are not the same people. It is only later on where you see Faul playing live, like the Let It Be rooftop gig.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 27, 2007 20:57:36 GMT -5
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Post by CoconutFudge on Jul 31, 2007 21:47:30 GMT -5
Assuming a change was made, it stands to reason that the difference would, most likely, be blatantly obvious when the new Paul stepped up on stage to play the bass in the exact same manner that JPM did, he couldn't so they didn't. When you are playing an instrument, isn't it a case where your actions, quirks, and movement is more or less involuntary, it is a part of who you are. Typically, you're not consciously moving this way or that way or twitching your neck or whatever. A stand-in has to take time to study all of those mannerisms and they have to incorporate that 'body of work' into their own performance demeanor, and that takes time and practice... And even then, when you're worrying about hitting all the right notes, you might fall back on you're own style of playing. If they continued to play LIVE, then perhaps, everyone would KNOW that they are not the same people. It is only later on where you see Faul playing live, like the Let It Be rooftop gig. I think that's a fantastic post. I agree and I find that the Paul in the last picture is in fact JPM at least partly for reasons this explanation outlines. |
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Post by Doc on Jul 31, 2007 22:08:31 GMT -5
Assuming a change was made, it stands to reason that the difference would, most likely, be blatantly obvious when the new Paul stepped up on stage to play the bass in the exact same manner that JPM did, he couldn't so they didn't. When you are playing an instrument, isn't it a case where your actions, quirks, and movement is more or less involuntary, it is a part of who you are. Typically, you're not consciously moving this way or that way or twitching your neck or whatever. A stand-in has to take time to study all of those mannerisms and they have to incorporate that 'body of work' into their own performance demeanor, and that takes time and practice... And even then, when you're worrying about hitting all the right notes, you might fall back on you're own style of playing. If they continued to play LIVE, then perhaps, everyone would KNOW that they are not the same people. It is only later on where you see Faul playing live, like the Let It Be rooftop gig. I think that's a fantastic post. I agree and I find that the Paul in the last picture is in fact JPM at least partly for reasons this explanation outlines. Yes, perhaps so, and I see a lot of JPM in this video from AHDN: youtube.com/watch?v=x8fNDfdjXd8&mode=related&search=Of course, if I blur things up enough I can see "general" similarities between me at 19 and Paul at 20 here in this comp.:  My, HOW I like to flatter myself...........I obligate people to indulge the "tetched"......... |
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Post by CoconutFudge on Jul 31, 2007 22:19:03 GMT -5
Hahaha, that's quite good, Doc! ;D
I am definitely seeing more than just appearance similarities between the Paul of the Japan videos (I believe him to be JPM!) and JPM as I re-watch some Japan videos and some of my favorite old JPM videos. Although I don't know much about bass playing so I can't compare much more than general playing styles, the mannerisms, crowd interaction, tonality, interaction with bandmates, facial expressions, etc. are so... JPMish that I have trouble thinking it's anyone other than our original.
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Post by Doc on Jul 31, 2007 22:37:42 GMT -5
Now, here's one where they just couldn't remove or replace JPM, so they left him in and just occasionally put the blur to it, a stray shadow or two. But I think it is 95% JPM youtube.com/watch?v=Pxxp5e_CReo&mode=related&search=And, yes, there is a lot of trouble reconciling the Japan videos; so much JPM remains it is hard to analyze where the tricks may have been employed if any. |
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Post by CoconutFudge on Jul 31, 2007 23:05:03 GMT -5
That's a great video, Doc, thanks for that. Also, I most definitely agree--interestingly placed blur, isn't it?? I often wonder how much genuine JPM footage there is left.  For me, because I am nineteen and pretty much everything that is going to be altered has been altered by the time I have gotten my paws on it, I have trouble sometimes with knowing that, so it's good to have so many brilliant and seasoned members with keen eyes like you to help me along with such things! |
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Post by mommybird on Aug 1, 2007 10:28:06 GMT -5
That's definitely Paul in the This Boy Video.
Doc, it's so good to see you posting again. Although I'm glad that you've finally gotten yourself a life, I have to say that you've been sorely missed ! ;D
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Post by skyward on Aug 1, 2007 17:01:51 GMT -5
I think that's a fantastic post. I agree and I find that the Paul in the last picture is in fact JPM at least partly for reasons this explanation outlines. Why thank you, Coconut.  When I look at imgaes of JPM pre-1966, I see a more stout man with a fuller/rounder head and he has many distinct facial expressions and mannerisms. There is a David Frost Interview where you can see some examples, not to mention the many tics and spasms that Frost exhibits: And just pause the video at various intervals in the following one, especially his reaction at the beginning: When I look at the guy (post-66) on the safari and then with that corny looking moustace, I see a much thinner man with a slighter body frame and a more gaunt (narrow) and longer face and the hair seems odd. Pre-66 it was more tussled when it was longer, and then Post-66, it was pretty much bone straight. Could he have just lost a lot of weight and gotten a new hair style? I don't know. |
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Post by revolver on Aug 1, 2007 20:28:15 GMT -5
Is TNB one of the songs that were supposedly ghost-written? I think that was mentioned on TKIN back in the day. It's still a good song either way.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 2, 2007 11:09:40 GMT -5
Skyward, those observations are spot on. However, there's more to it than that.  Paul & Sylvie Vartan-vintage-1964  "Faul"-vintage-1967  Another vintage photo of Paul. Either the flash washed out his eye color, or it is reflecting off of something in his eyes ( hard contact lenses  ).  "Bill" from the 1970's The pictures speak for themselves... |
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For me, because I am nineteen and pretty much everything that is going to be altered has been altered by the time I have gotten my paws on it, I have trouble sometimes with knowing that, so it's good to have so many brilliant and seasoned members with keen eyes like you to help me along with such things! 
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