Post by iameye on Dec 12, 2008 9:09:38 GMT -5
close jarv? the one on the "corner"?
Iameye - I don't understand what you are asking for here?
Time concept? Could you elaborate please?
I'm just referring to one of the original concepts of the pepper art work, a floral clock, which in my mind would suspend or freeze time for eternity. Jarv's patient work with the geometry theme discovered on pepper points, but not conclusively, to a higher degree of expressed mathematical organization on Pepper cover and elsewhere. Tying the imagery in with the math work, I can only wonder if this has to ultimately deal with the concept of time? And is the expression of this concept in artwork something even new?
Vermeer, for one, was such a master.
Random thoughts.....
bird language; www.philipcoppens.com/birdlanguage.html
green language is a slang of sorts, a difficult word game
"The argotiers, those who use this language, are the hermetic descendents of the argonauts, who manned the ship Argo. They spoke the langue argotique -- our langue verte (green language or slang) -- while they were sailing towards the felicitous shores of Colchos to win the famous Golden Fleece." Fulcanelli then adds a common expression current in Paris in the '20s about intelligence and the use of slang, and continues: "All the Initiates expressed themselves in cant; the vagrants of the Court of Miracles -- headed by the poet Villon -- as well as the Freemasons of the Middle Ages, 'members of the lodge of God,' who built the argotique masterpieces, which we still admire today. Those constructional sailors (nautes) also knew the route to the Garden of Hesperides. . ."
He then adds a paragraph about how only outsiders use and understand cant in our day (in which he takes a swipe at the then-current nobility), and ends the paragraph with the observation that art got is really the art of light. He follows this up with a long paragraph of Gnostic philosophy, before finally returning to his theme of the secret language. Here, he labels it the Language of the Birds, "parent and doyen of all other languages -- the one spoken by philosophers and diplomats." Fulcanelli continues that this was "the language which Jesus revealed to his Apostles, by sending them his spirit, the Holy Ghost." Fulcanelli declares that "this is the language which teaches the mystery of things and unveils the most hidden truths."
www.sangraal.com/AMET/prologue.html
Sagittarius A* (pronounced "A-star", standard abbreviation Sgr A*) is a bright and very compact source of radio emission at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, part of a larger astronomical feature at that location (Sagittarius A). Sagittarius A* is most likely to be the location of a supermassive black hole, as is hypothesized to be at the centers of many spiral and elliptical galaxies.
the heart of the universe is a black hole where time stops
Lonely Hearts club band
jarv pointed out the Fleur DI lis was used to indicate north on the compass.... what about it's likeness to the Celtic cross
Mr Blake, again
what was Anton Le vey's little joke? the Yankee rose?
Naming all 32 points on the rose is called boxing the compass.
The "rose" term arises from the fairly ornate figures used with early compasses. A fleur-de-lis figure, evolved from the initial T in the north wind's name Tramontane, is sometimes used to indicate the north direction. Similarly, on old maps the east was marked with an L for Levante, or with a + indicating the direction of Jerusalem from the point of view of western Europe's countries.
Early roses were depicted with 12 points at 30° each, as was favored by the Romans. In the Middle Ages map makers moved to the 16-point rose complaining that sailors did not have the education to understand the previous design. The 16-point rose has the uncomfortable number of 22 1/2° between points, but is easily found by halving divisions and may have been easier for those not using a 360° circle. Using gradians, the sixteen-point rose will have exactly twenty-five gradians per point in.
A Rose of the Winds is an ancient version of a compass rose which personified compass directions as winds with individual names, such as the west wind Zephyrus and the east wind Eurus. A fountain in Taranto, Italy was inspired by and named after the Rose of the Winds.
(from Italian tramontana, which developed from Latin trānsmontānus (trāns- + montānus), "beyond the mountains/across the mountains".[1] This explains why in Italy, the tramontana is the north wind (because the Alps, at the northern end of Italy, are the mountains referred to). It also explains why the word has other non-wind-related senses: it can refer to anything that comes from, or anyone who lives on, the other side of mountains, or even more generally, anything seen as foreign, strange, or even barbarous.)
if the fleur di li, possibly evolved from the "T" we have THREE points. The jesters hat, the lily. What other groups of three so we see on pepper....three temples?
AND .....does the "little aviator" hold the key?
ahoy!
going back to the time concept....any thoughts?
Iameye - I don't understand what you are asking for here?
Time concept? Could you elaborate please?
I'm just referring to one of the original concepts of the pepper art work, a floral clock, which in my mind would suspend or freeze time for eternity. Jarv's patient work with the geometry theme discovered on pepper points, but not conclusively, to a higher degree of expressed mathematical organization on Pepper cover and elsewhere. Tying the imagery in with the math work, I can only wonder if this has to ultimately deal with the concept of time? And is the expression of this concept in artwork something even new?
Vermeer, for one, was such a master.
Random thoughts.....
bird language; www.philipcoppens.com/birdlanguage.html
green language is a slang of sorts, a difficult word game
"The argotiers, those who use this language, are the hermetic descendents of the argonauts, who manned the ship Argo. They spoke the langue argotique -- our langue verte (green language or slang) -- while they were sailing towards the felicitous shores of Colchos to win the famous Golden Fleece." Fulcanelli then adds a common expression current in Paris in the '20s about intelligence and the use of slang, and continues: "All the Initiates expressed themselves in cant; the vagrants of the Court of Miracles -- headed by the poet Villon -- as well as the Freemasons of the Middle Ages, 'members of the lodge of God,' who built the argotique masterpieces, which we still admire today. Those constructional sailors (nautes) also knew the route to the Garden of Hesperides. . ."
He then adds a paragraph about how only outsiders use and understand cant in our day (in which he takes a swipe at the then-current nobility), and ends the paragraph with the observation that art got is really the art of light. He follows this up with a long paragraph of Gnostic philosophy, before finally returning to his theme of the secret language. Here, he labels it the Language of the Birds, "parent and doyen of all other languages -- the one spoken by philosophers and diplomats." Fulcanelli continues that this was "the language which Jesus revealed to his Apostles, by sending them his spirit, the Holy Ghost." Fulcanelli declares that "this is the language which teaches the mystery of things and unveils the most hidden truths."
www.sangraal.com/AMET/prologue.html
Sagittarius A* (pronounced "A-star", standard abbreviation Sgr A*) is a bright and very compact source of radio emission at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, part of a larger astronomical feature at that location (Sagittarius A). Sagittarius A* is most likely to be the location of a supermassive black hole, as is hypothesized to be at the centers of many spiral and elliptical galaxies.
the heart of the universe is a black hole where time stops
Lonely Hearts club band
jarv pointed out the Fleur DI lis was used to indicate north on the compass.... what about it's likeness to the Celtic cross
Mr Blake, again
what was Anton Le vey's little joke? the Yankee rose?
Naming all 32 points on the rose is called boxing the compass.
The "rose" term arises from the fairly ornate figures used with early compasses. A fleur-de-lis figure, evolved from the initial T in the north wind's name Tramontane, is sometimes used to indicate the north direction. Similarly, on old maps the east was marked with an L for Levante, or with a + indicating the direction of Jerusalem from the point of view of western Europe's countries.
Early roses were depicted with 12 points at 30° each, as was favored by the Romans. In the Middle Ages map makers moved to the 16-point rose complaining that sailors did not have the education to understand the previous design. The 16-point rose has the uncomfortable number of 22 1/2° between points, but is easily found by halving divisions and may have been easier for those not using a 360° circle. Using gradians, the sixteen-point rose will have exactly twenty-five gradians per point in.
A Rose of the Winds is an ancient version of a compass rose which personified compass directions as winds with individual names, such as the west wind Zephyrus and the east wind Eurus. A fountain in Taranto, Italy was inspired by and named after the Rose of the Winds.
(from Italian tramontana, which developed from Latin trānsmontānus (trāns- + montānus), "beyond the mountains/across the mountains".[1] This explains why in Italy, the tramontana is the north wind (because the Alps, at the northern end of Italy, are the mountains referred to). It also explains why the word has other non-wind-related senses: it can refer to anything that comes from, or anyone who lives on, the other side of mountains, or even more generally, anything seen as foreign, strange, or even barbarous.)
if the fleur di li, possibly evolved from the "T" we have THREE points. The jesters hat, the lily. What other groups of three so we see on pepper....three temples?
AND .....does the "little aviator" hold the key?
ahoy!