WA. State claiming SOVEREIGNTY

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

HJM 4009 - 2009-10

Claiming state sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment.

History of Bill
as of Wednesday, February 4, 2009 5:56 AM

Sponsors: Representatives Shea, Klippert, Condotta, Kretz, Anderson, McCune, Kristiansen

PDF at the link:

apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009#documents

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Wait, there's more!

New Hampshire Seeking to Reclaim State Supremacy

Leading by example the people of New Hampshire have boldly put the federal government on notice with HCR 6 - A Resolution affirming States' rights based on Jeffersonian principles. Currently in committee, introduced for all to hear.

Read HCR 6 here:

www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

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[JoJo]

Right On! NH used the same 10th amendment argument to reject the Real ID act, plus we just detest unfunded federal mandates.. Reading this, you would think it was something sent to King George in the 18th century.

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[puzzled]

I've become too cynical at this point to think that any state rights will matter at all in the near future. Sovereignty is an outmoded idea according to those who make the decisions. We all are workers in the hive of one big colony with no more swarming allowed.

bzzzz

[JoJo]

Never underestimate the power of pissed off peasants with pitchforks and torches..



Wait until California pays its state employees with IOU's and see you'll see what happens.

[mommybird]

This is all so depressing. I can't believe that this is the legacy that we have given to our children. < sigh >

[puzzled]

Feb 6, 2009 22:41:55 GMT -5 JoJo said:

Never underestimate the power of pissed off peasants with pitchforks and torches..



Wait until California pays its state employees with IOU's and see you'll see what happens.

I really do hope you're right. I fear that would be just the excuse they are looking for to initiate martial law and line the streets with soldiers and cops in riot gear. I don't believe that they would tolerate it, and they would not allow any kind of that behavior to occur without serious and immediate retaliation. Look at the WTO protests in Seattle, and that was minor compared to the example you give.

I really do hope that the people of this country finally say enough is enough already, but then I've seen some pretty outrageous things occur and when I looked around all I heard were crickets.

[iameye]

the American public is too polite to weather that storm, which is, speaking of the politeness , an inbred quality. Tacky tourists is a misnomer. At least IMO. But HEH to the power that persists to prevail con - trary ( to popular demanded belief) .....


best to wise up, remain calm.

[iameye]

anyway, Obama is making huge tides

H U GE

triple the education funds?

love it


trutha loves it too

[65if2007]

Feb 7, 2009 0:21:00 GMT -5 iameye said:

anyway, Obama is making huge tides

H U GE

triple the education funds?

love it


trutha loves it too

There's nothing like throwing money at a problem in order to make it go away.

Lyndon Johnson's success in completely wiping out poverty in America by turning it into a trillion-dollar price tagged "Great Society" is legendary.

California instituted a lottery program a number of years ago in order to bring more money into the schools, and now our schools are second to none.

Those are just two examples. The "War on Drugs" might serve as another one, since it has entirely wiped away the drug traffic.

And trutha's first choice was probably Hillary, not Obama.

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Oh ye of little faith! You gotta think big[/color]!
There's no problem that 2 trillion (borrowed) dollars can't solve!
Trust me!

[65if2007]

Feb 7, 2009 12:15:15 GMT -5 B said:

Oh ye of little faith! You gotta think big

[/color]!
There's no problem that 2 trillion (borrowed) dollars can't solve!
Trust me! [/quote]


I never thought of it that way.

Then I only wish we could have borrowed twice as much.

[JoJo]

Were you being sarcastic there 65IF?

It's kinda like draining your own blood to give yourself a transfusion.

From the Market Ticker, and as I've mentioned before, the author is (or was) about as Republican as you can get, for many years.

market-ticker.org/archives/778-First-Of-Two-McCain.html

Yes, this is a Stimulus Bill in name only. Yes, it's a crap bill.

But at least it has some oversight and the money will go into the economy at large!

Fair enough..

[65if2007]

Feb 7, 2009 19:00:54 GMT -5 JoJo said:

Were you being sarcastic there 65IF?

No, I was dead serious.

LBJ's War on Poverty really did completely wipe out poverty in America.

The California lottery really did turn California's schools into the best in the nation as a result of the infusion of money.

And the War on Drugs really did completely wipe out the drug traffic.

And Obama really is God, and his word is to be unconditionally trusted.

Why shouldn't borrowing 2 trillion or so dollars have a like chance of success?

It's kinda like draining your own blood to give yourself a transfusion.

From the Market Ticker, and as I've mentioned before, the author is (or was) about as Republican as you can get, for many years.

market-ticker.org/archives/778-First-Of-Two-McCain.html

Yes, this is a Stimulus Bill in name only. Yes, it's a crap bill.

But at least it has some oversight and the money will go into the economy at large!

Fair enough..

[JoJo]

Really, you should move to New Hampshire, you might find many kindred spirits here.. Less Kool-aid drinkers per capita, than most if not all the states. The weather sucks tho, which discourages immigration from other states.

[65if2007]

Feb 7, 2009 23:15:35 GMT -5 JoJo said:

Really, you should move to New Hampshire, you might find many kindred spirits here.. Less Kool-aid drinkers per capita, than most if not all the states. The weather sucks tho, which discourages immigration from other states.

It's kind of you to invite me to move to NH.

The weather in Central California isn't exactly a paradise either, and I would prefer the type of weather which discourages immigration, rather than that which seems to encourage it.

But actually, I am a Kool-Aid drinker myself in my own way -- maybe not on every occasion -- but I am.

[Doc]

Feb 6, 2009 22:41:55 GMT -5 JoJo said:

Never underestimate the power of pissed off peasants with pitchforks and torches..



Wait until California pays its state employees with IOU's and see you'll see what happens.

Hilarious screen grab.

Well, we will see! Perhaps "Springfield" was in California, all along!

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

What do you know about this, JoJo?

"The New Hampshire state legislature took an unbelievably bold step today by introducing a resolution to declare certain actions by the federal government to completely totally void and warning that certain future acts will be viewed as a “breach of peace” with the states themselves that risks “nullifying the Constitution."

Much more, including full text of resolution:

www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=965

[JoJo]

I only know what I've read. I can tell you that it's been introduced by a couple of legislators, which makes the next step a vote by the full house. I honestly don't know which way the wind will blow on this, the house may mostly think it's too crazy, or they may overwhelmingly agree.. No middle ground I'd wager.

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

States Push to Take Back National Guard
Wednesday 11 February 2009
by: Maya Schenwar, t r u t h o u t | Report

Going on its seventh year, the Iraq war has taken its toll on not only the US military, but also on the states's National Guard units, which were called up when Congress passed the 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) against Iraq. Now a growing state-level movement is working to keep the Guard at home.

Its logic: The AUMF's goals have been fulfilled. The authorization's explicit purposes were to defend the US against the "threat posed by Iraq" and to enforce UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq's alleged ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein - along with his supposed threat - is gone, and the UN resolutions are no longer relevant, so there's no longer a mandate to keep troops in Iraq.

The president can call up the states's Guard units in a time of war. But when the mandate for war becomes obsolete, say members of the Bring the Guard Home: It's the Law (BTGH) campaign, sending those troops overseas is illegal. BTGH members and their allies are now sponsoring a chain of bills and resolutions in states across the country, demanding an investigation into the legality of deploying the Guard to Iraq, and a refusal to comply with any illegal federal orders.

"There is not Congressional authorization for the use of the Guard today," Vermont State Rep. Mike Fisher told Truthout. "One Guard member improperly called into federal service to fight a war - that's a real problem. Choosing to go to war is one of the most serious decisions that we make. The very least we can do is follow the Constitution."

More here:

www.truthout.org/021109J