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Post by carman on Apr 30, 2009 9:54:58 GMT -5
Here's another interesting one worthy of some thought.
G L A S S - O N I O N
“Well here's another place you can go”
“Well here's another place you can be”
"Listen to me"
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Post by Doc on May 6, 2009 0:05:38 GMT -5
Well I finally looked at your book. Must have taken alot of work. Interesting ideas. Not sure I agree with everything, but it does seem the lads perceptions about things may have changed over time. But that happens to all of us with our own experiences. Acid may have been part of the equation for them. But to what extent is anyone's guess. I think that , for example, George wasn't into the whole thing - acid, hippie stuff, etc. after a short time. He had the experience but started to draw away from the scene. I think it turned him off really. So I don't know if he would be promoting it. I think if anything he would promote Eastern thought about life, etc. I think that is a very informed view of things. You must be right about George. He wanted to be part of a pure spirituality, one without hypocracy and deceit, and he would not want to mal affect young people with harmful things.
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Post by peacec on May 19, 2009 23:57:22 GMT -5
haha...
hi.
just a couple things:
first off, carman, your book reads like a high school english project. i feel that your philosophy(ies) of the beatles is juvenile, as though you're just scraping the surface... there's really TOO much going on. no one knows the whole lot of it, except maybe those involved, even then, maybe they don't.
that's what's so facinating about the whole PID/PWR bidness.... it's complex. it's history. it's the unknown. and i love it.
second, carman, your webpage doesn't work, as of right now anyway. i'd love to check it out, fix it if you could. thanks.
and finally, i'm glad to be here!! i've been lurking for a while, reading, catching up on the latest, figuring things out for myself. i'm very intrigued by the knowledge and theories. what beautiful minds you all have....
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 6:50:12 GMT -5
"first off, carman, your book reads like a high school English project."
That's the problem, you want things to be too complicated. Once you see what it was all about and put the pieces together, it's easy to understand.
I discontinued my website. I've solved the mystery and gave it to hundreds of people for free. The version on this thread is obsolete, I've added many more clues to substantiate my premise. No one who read the book came back with a convincing rebuttal and most agreed that I made a convincing argument. I consider my mission accomplished.
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 10:58:52 GMT -5
In the final analysis, whether Paul is alive or dead or Glass Onion contains the missing letters or if they wanted all us hippies to come together in LA or anywhere else or if I write like a high school student, matters little to me. I discovered that the most famous four people on the face of the earth suddenly chose to guide the world to a new reality. One where we stop hurting, hating and hording and start loving, caring and sharing. That both boggles my mind and lifts my soul. I discovered they really cared about us and I love them for trying. One blogger who usually ridiculed my ideas finally told the truth, he said “I don’t want to believe what you’re saying because that would mean the Beatles were complete failures”. I disagree with him, we failed not them. They did everything short of destroying themselves and in some ways they did destroy “The Beatles”. That’s why they stopped calling themselves “The Beatles” and became just “Beatles”. If they where failures then so was Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad and every other visionary throughout history. No, we failed to heed their call. When we decide to trust in their message then it will no longer be a secret.
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Post by 65if2007 on May 20, 2009 11:47:10 GMT -5
In the final analysis, whether Paul is alive or dead or Glass Onion contains the missing letters or if they wanted all us hippies to come together in LA or anywhere else or if I write like a high school student, matters little to me. I discovered that the most famous four people on the face of the earth suddenly chose to guide the world to a new reality. One where we stop hurting, hating and hording and start loving, caring and sharing. Your world and the world that you imagine that the Beatles sought to create sounds like some sort of freaking totalitarian nightmare. Something out of Plato's Republic. Or Mao's little red book. Really? You must do well at the race track. Actually, they only cared about me. They were indifferent to you. And it's a good thing too, because I'm not willing to share them with you. Yes, they were such godlike human beings and we were such pitiful ants in their presence. Or at least you were. But all of us must do what we can to display the proper amount of self-torture in the greater cause of worshiping four entertainment personalities. "We can say the universe consists of a substance, and this substance we will call 'atoms', or else we will call it 'monads'. Democritus called it 'atoms'. Leibniz called it 'monads'. Fortunately, the two men never met, or there would have been a very dull argument." - Woody Allen I never thought of it that way. Christ is supposed to have renounced all worldly goods and been crucified at the stake for our sins. Lennon and McCartney wrote "Eight Days a Week" in order to buy a swimming pool. The similarities are apparent, as that was certainly very visionary in a Christ-like way. I'm sure that they got their swimming pool. Yes, we continued to eat meat and vote Republican. Shame on us. We should have heeded their message and become veggie hippies. I didn't fail to heed their call or "trust in their message".. Lennon insisted that he was "just John" and looked with bemusement on anyone -- such as you -- who would regard him as anything greater than that. McCartney -- or whoever he is -- said, "You gotta give the other fellow hell". That must be part of the process in which we "stop hurting, hating and hording and start loving, caring and sharing". And I've done my best to live up to that by giving you hell.
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 12:16:53 GMT -5
I said they cared about us and wanted to help bring about a more peaceful world. If that sounds like a nightmare to you, then you deserve the one you're living in now.
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Post by 65if2007 on May 20, 2009 12:50:18 GMT -5
I said they cared about us and wanted to help bring about a more peaceful world. And I pointed out that they cared exclusively about me and that they were indifferent about you. Don't be so modest, however, about what you really claimed. You compared them to godlike figures - Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammad. That's quite an ambitious description of four long-haired musicians on drugs. Hippie dictatorships -- in which drugs are used to artificially alter moods (such as that anticipated by Aldous Huxley) -- which you would impose sound like nightmares to me. They would sound like nightmares to any sane individual. Hippie dictatorships -- such as that imposed by Max Frost in the offbeat movie "Wild in the Streets" and which you would impose in real life -- would certainly end up badly for "squares" like me. Your bio says that you're 62 years old, carman. Don't you think that it's time that you stopped displaying contempt for everyone over the age of 30?
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 13:19:24 GMT -5
"That's quite an ambitious description of four long-haired musicians on drugs."
What do you have against long haired musicians on drugs? I listen to their music, It speaks to my heart. They tell us to love each other and I thought I heard Jesus say that. They say he had long hair and who knows what caused his visions.
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Post by 65if2007 on May 20, 2009 13:35:14 GMT -5
"That's quite an ambitious description of four long-haired musicians on drugs."What do you have against long haired musicians on drugs? I said that trying to portray them as godlike was an ambitious undertaking. My parents feel the same way about Sinatra but would never make the mistake of worshiping Sinatra as a god. Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead! Have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt? I told you before, stay away from my door Don't give me that brother, brother, brother, brother... How do you sleep, ya cunt? You must be considerably older than 62 then. I thought that I heard Lennon say "I don't believe in Jesus". Jesus didn't have long hair. It wasn't left-wing politics.
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 13:59:12 GMT -5
I never worshiped the Beatles. In fact, I said repeatedly I'm not a Beatle fan. That's the primary difference between you and me. I see human beings where you see celebrities. That determines your perspective.
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Post by 65if2007 on May 20, 2009 14:31:26 GMT -5
I never worshiped the Beatles. In fact, I said repeatedly I'm not a Beatle fan. In one breath, you compare them to Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammad. And in the next breath, you insist that you're not even a fan. You remind me of this guy. You don't see human beings. You see hippies and non-hippies. To you, if someone isn't a hippie, you don't perceive him as a member of the human race. That determines your perspective.
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 14:43:11 GMT -5
Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed all said we each posses the Divine within. Fans see only the phony surface of people. To understand and connect to the Beatles music you need to get past the surface.
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Post by 65if2007 on May 20, 2009 14:57:30 GMT -5
Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed all said we each posses the Divine within. Fans see only the phony surface of people. To understand and connect to the Beatles music you need to get past the surface. Good. Then I'll write a number of treatises on the utter banality inherent in regarding "peace and love" as ends in themselves. And on the emptiness of the hippie lifestyle and of 1960's value systems. And on the utility of returning back to an earlier point in our history. And on the insipid evil and hypocrisy inherent in liberalism. And on the joy of eating meat. And I'll set all of this to music. I'm part of "we". So I must also possess the Divine within. All that you need to do is to look past the surface. And then you can "connect" to my music. And you can worship me for the messages contained in the lyrics of my songs. Even if you're not a fan.
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Post by peacec on May 20, 2009 16:45:05 GMT -5
To understand and connect to the Beatles music you need to get past the surface. my point exactly.... YOUR book doesn't reach far beneath the surface, IMO. as i said, it's elementary. anyone who listens to the Beatles can tell you what their songs are about/represent, even in a vague way, such as you have. ALSO my point, it's (their music/message/etc) so so so SO much more than you or myself or anyone knows the extent of. *THUS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD.*to discuss, to see things from another perspective, gain new ideas and theories. whatever it will be, it will be.... you, carman, were wrong to even come and spew your "i'm right and you're wrong, buy my book and see the truth" message. bah... it's all really quite comical though.
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Post by carman on May 20, 2009 18:23:39 GMT -5
Do you know of a better purpose for living than striving for universal peace and love?
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Post by iameye on May 20, 2009 18:39:45 GMT -5
Not striving?
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Post by eyesbleed on May 20, 2009 20:39:51 GMT -5
*THUS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD.*to discuss, to see things from another perspective, gain new ideas and theories. whatever it will be, it will be.... Nice ;D Welcome to NIR peacec
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Post by peacec on May 21, 2009 1:45:56 GMT -5
Do you know of a better purpose for living than striving for universal peace and love? yes, living life by the golden rule. which, to me means be a good person. do what makes you happy, not harming people in the process. i'm very down with peace, as the name implies. but i don't think trying to convince people who don't feel the same as i do is a good way to go about achieving this*. let it be. i believe in karma and i feel that people will get what's coming to them, good or bad. i think an awareness of that is what's needed, and yes, an awareness of peace. bring it to the masses by bringing people together. "TEACH YOUR CHILDREN WELL"!!! hate breeds hate, thus peace breeds peace. world peace is such a fabulous idea but it's not possible. there are too many people who are greedy and power hungry in this world. i do not foresee it happening in my life time. though i do my best every day not to judge people (though it's human nature to do so) or talk badly about others or to find satisfaction in material things/other people. this brings me peace. LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. sometimes you just have to look to find what that means to you. *i hate when religious people (or conservatives. they kind of go hand in hand) push their beliefs upon me, telling me i'm going to hell because i don't think or live my life the way they do. i would never contradict myself by saying people are wrong because they're not peaceful or striving for peace or even because they do things i don't agree with. i just assume they suck and keep them out of my life while knowing that everyone gets what is coming to them. it's pretty simple.
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Post by peacec on May 21, 2009 1:47:51 GMT -5
*THUS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD.*to discuss, to see things from another perspective, gain new ideas and theories. whatever it will be, it will be.... Nice ;D Welcome to NIR peacec hey thanks! glad to be here. ;D
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Post by 65if2007 on May 21, 2009 8:58:12 GMT -5
Do you know of a better purpose for living than striving for universal peace and love? yes, living life by the golden rule. which, to me means be a good person. do what makes you happy, not harming people in the process. i'm very down with peace, as the name implies. but i don't think trying to convince people who don't feel the same as i do is a good way to go about achieving this*. let it be. i believe in karma and i feel that people will get what's coming to them, good or bad. i think an awareness of that is what's needed, and yes, an awareness of peace. bring it to the masses by bringing people together. "TEACH YOUR CHILDREN WELL"!!! hate breeds hate, thus peace breeds peace. world peace is such a fabulous idea but it's not possible. there are too many people who are greedy and power hungry in this world. i do not foresee it happening in my life time. though i do my best every day not to judge people (though it's human nature to do so) or talk badly about others or to find satisfaction in material things/other people. this brings me peace. LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. sometimes you just have to look to find what that means to you. *i hate when religious people (or conservatives. they kind of go hand in hand) push their beliefs upon me, telling me i'm going to hell because i don't think or live my life the way they do. i would never contradict myself by saying people are wrong because they're not peaceful or striving for peace or even because they do things i don't agree with. i just assume they suck and keep them out of my life while knowing that everyone gets what is coming to them. it's pretty simple. Pretty remarkable. In one breath, you say that people who don't think as you do will "get what's coming to them". In the next breath, you say that you resent "religious people or conservatives" who preach hellfire and brimstone. But I wonder what you mean when you say that those whom you regard as infidels will "get what's coming to them". You used that phrase TWICE."Get what's coming to them" sounds like your version of hellfire and brimstone. Liberals, shit!
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Post by B on May 21, 2009 9:26:07 GMT -5
Be the change you wish to see.
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Post by carman on May 21, 2009 9:39:28 GMT -5
The Beatles said we need to see beyond all this to a new reality and then work to create that reality. Love grows and spreads from one person to another:
"Sunday's on the phone to Monday, Tuesday's on the phone to me".
Did it ever occur to people that a peaceful, loving and sharing world might prove incredibly prosperous? Take all the trillions spent on war, prisons, fighting crime and trying to protect us from each other and use it to feed, nurture and care for each other. We need a change of direction, to redefine ourselves. At least give it a try or may may perish.
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Post by peacec on May 21, 2009 11:58:03 GMT -5
yes, living life by the golden rule. which, to me means be a good person. do what makes you happy, not harming people in the process. i'm very down with peace, as the name implies. but i don't think trying to convince people who don't feel the same as i do is a good way to go about achieving this*. let it be. i believe in karma and i feel that people will get what's coming to them, good or bad. i think an awareness of that is what's needed, and yes, an awareness of peace. bring it to the masses by bringing people together. "TEACH YOUR CHILDREN WELL"!!! hate breeds hate, thus peace breeds peace. world peace is such a fabulous idea but it's not possible. there are too many people who are greedy and power hungry in this world. i do not foresee it happening in my life time. though i do my best every day not to judge people (though it's human nature to do so) or talk badly about others or to find satisfaction in material things/other people. this brings me peace. LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. sometimes you just have to look to find what that means to you. *i hate when religious people (or conservatives. they kind of go hand in hand) push their beliefs upon me, telling me i'm going to hell because i don't think or live my life the way they do. i would never contradict myself by saying people are wrong because they're not peaceful or striving for peace or even because they do things i don't agree with. i just assume they suck and keep them out of my life while knowing that everyone gets what is coming to them. it's pretty simple. Pretty remarkable. In one breath, you say that people who don't think as you do will "get what's coming to them". In the next breath, you say that you resent "religious people or conservatives" who preach hellfire and brimstone. But I wonder what you mean when you say that those whom you regard as infidels will "get what's coming to them". You used that phrase TWICE."Get what's coming to them" sounds like your version of hellfire and brimstone. Liberals, shit! eww. what i meant by "get what's coming to them" is karmic law. "The good and righteous actions yield pleasant and happy fruits or awards and the wicked and evil ones are dispensed with painful and unhappy fruits or results here in this world or hereafter." or more simply put: what you give you shall receive. also, i never said that people who don't think as i do will get what's coming to them, i said "i feel that people will get what's coming to them, good or bad." & "i just assume they suck and keep them out of my life while knowing that everyone gets what is coming to them." MEANING EVERY PERSON, religious or atheist, liberal or conservative, PIDer or PIAer, ETC. twist it around old man... conservatives, shit!
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Post by peacec on May 21, 2009 12:04:33 GMT -5
The Beatles said we need to see beyond all this to a new reality and then work to create that reality. Love grows and spreads from one person to another: "Sunday's on the phone to Monday, Tuesday's on the phone to me". Did it ever occur to people that a peaceful, loving and sharing world might prove incredibly prosperous? Take all the trillions spent on war, prisons, fighting crime and trying to protect us from each other and use it to feed, nurture and care for each other. We need a change of direction, to redefine ourselves. At least give it a try or may may perish. yes sir i do agree with this. i suppose this is one of the few things i'm pessimist about. i think using our resources to better the whole is what needs to be happening. as i have said though, there is far too much greed in this world for it to ever happen. great ideas about peace, carman. it's refreshing to hear someone speak their mind and not have it be full of criticism and hate.
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