About the draft.

[Mellow Yellow]

I read an article once that went through all those things that people used to say could keep them from drafting you, and this article said that none of these things work anymore.

It doesnt matter if you are in college anymore, they wait until you finish a semester and off you go.

It doesnt matter if you are an only child, apparently they through that rule out.

Doesnt matter if you are female anymore.

Dont try faking homosexuality because thanks to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and the "Stop Gap" rules they now allow gays in the military.

Doesn't matter if you are OLD... They can draft you up to 42 I believe.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if these things are true or not.

[fourthousandholes]

Almost. They can't draft you up to age 42, but if you were already enlisted, and served your time,
and released, the army can recall you up to age 42.
Also, being an "only child" was never enough to get you out of the draft. If you could show that
your being drafted would create undue hardship for your family, you could get an exemption.
Don't count on any nicities this time around.
Bush, Cheney, and their criminal neocon government will use anyone they can get their hands on
for cannon fodder. Move to New Zealand.

[JoJo]

I feel bad for your generation, I just missed the last one, and I'll miss this one now that I'm on the other end of the scale.

Where there's a will there's a way, I predict multiple sites with every possible way out of it should there be a draft again.

[beatlies]

fourthousandholes said:

Almost. They can't draft you up to age 42, but if you were already enlisted, and served your time,
and released, the army can recall you up to age 42.
Also, being an "only child" was never enough to get you out of the draft. If you could show that
your being drafted would create undue hardship for your family, you could get an exemption.
Don't count on any nicities this time around.
Bush, Cheney, and their criminal neocon government will use anyone they can get their hands on
for cannon fodder. Move to New Zealand.

Actually the propsed new 2006 US military draft (res. 666) of Congress does draft up to age 42, even though the real emergency of WWII only drafted to age 35 and made various exceptions. The Vietnam War/genocide draft went up to age 26 I think.

Drafting up to age 42 for both men and women is more like mass slave labor ot the captive USA population.

[Mellow Yellow]

Yeah, slavery is really what it is. A person shouldn't be born in debt, he or she should be born free. There is no debt to this country that I have ever incurred that should require me to get killed/maimed/psychologically injured just for someone elses cause.

I always planned that the moment they announce that the draft is being reinstated, I would immediatley (well, as soon as humanly possible) make arrangements to stay with my relatives in Ireland. This wouldn't be illegal because it is only illegal if you yourself have been chosen.

[tkp1966]

Oh no, guys I was in the Army years ago and I'm below 42 !!
Can I hide out with some of you outside the US ??

[Mellow Yellow]

You was in the......... ARMY?!

You needn't worry, you've already been

[That Latvian Guy]

tkp1966 said:

Oh no, guys I was in the Army years ago and I'm below 42 !!
Can I hide out with some of you outside the US ??

Come to Latvia, they cancelled the compulsory military service months ago!

[JoJo]

melloyello said:

You was in the......... ARMY?!

You needn't worry, you've already been

Must have worn off, else he wouldn't be here.

I just had a recollection of something a teacher in high school brought up.. If I recall correctly, the registration for the draft in its current form had just started, so hence the discussion, but anyway.. He told us that the military preferred guys in the "just turned 18" age group, because essentially they were still malleable enough to be shaped and formed.. (much like clay I suppose) Past a certain point, they figured there would be too much effort involved to undo the more solidified points of view someone in his mid to late 20's may have formed.

I also recalled how when I was about a year or two into college, (and Reagan was president) a law was passed that made it impossible to get financial aid unless you had registered. (guess too many had refused) Well..was that going to affect the wealthy?

I read an article a while ago (can't source this, so I'm just working from memory) that the army had one another recruiting problem.. It was that anyone who had a history of being treated with certain prescription drugs such as Ritalin, Xanax, Paxil, etc. was automatically disqualified. Maybe that would change if they got desperate, don't know.

[beatlies]

I read an article a while ago (can't source this, so I'm just working from memory) that the army had one another recruiting problem.. It was that anyone who had a history of being treated with certain prescription drugs such as Ritalin, Xanax, Paxil, etc. was automatically disqualified. Maybe that would change if they got desperate, don't know

With over 30,000 troops killed and 100,000 severly wounded and the US Army/Marines/Navy/AirForce as popular with the people as bedbug swarms I don't think they can afford to be so picky anymore. In fact at this point they're probably trolling crackhouses, chatting up senior centers and cruising gay bars for recruits.


www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/04autumn/ohanlon.htm


www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2685004


Congress | Special Reports | Frontline Photos |
July 19, 2005

Uncle Sam wants you even if you're 42 years old

By Rick Maze
Times staff writer


The Defense Department quietly asked Congress on Monday to raise the maximum age for military recruits to 42 for all branches of the service.
Under current law, the maximum age to enlist in the active components is 35, while people up to age 39 may enlist in the reserves. By practice, the accepted age for recruits is 27 for the Air Force, 28 for the Marine Corps and 34 for the Navy and Army, although the Army Reserve and Navy Reserve sometimes take people up to age 39 in some specialties.

The Pentagon's request to raise the maximum recruit age to 42 is part of what defense officials are calling a package of “urgent wartime support initiatives?sent to Congress Monday night prior to a Tuesday hearing of the House Armed Services military personnel subcommittee.

At that hearing, David S.C. Chu, under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness, said he felt the military’s recent problems with recruiting were improving, but that additional incentives would help.

Chu mentioned the age change in passing during the hearing but gave no other details, such as whether any of the services were seriously considering recruiting 42-year-olds.

Most of the initiatives in the package were previously requested by the Bush administration as part of the 2006 defense budget, which is pending before Congress. They include raising the maximum re-enlistment bonus to $90,000; maximum hardship duty pay to $750 a month; special pay and incentive bonuses for nuclear qualified officers to $30,000; assignment incentive pay to $3,000; and increasing accession and affiliation bonuses for reservists.

The request, not yet approved by the White House, also asks lawmakers to revise some benefits proposals already before Congress.

For example, the Bush administration originally asked Congress to increase enlistment bonuses to $30,000, but the Pentagon now wants bonuses of up to $40,000.

The administration also asked for an Army-only test of a $1,000 referral bonus that would be paid to current soldiers if they get someone to enter the Army and make it through basic and advanced training. Now, the Pentagon wants that payment to be $2,500.

The request also includes a new Army initiative that officials are calling the Army Home Ownership program. It would set aside money for new recruits that could be used to buy a home at the end of an enlistment, an idea that Army officials believe will help convince parents and other “adult influencers?of service-age youths about the benefits of joining the military.

Lawmakers are sympathetic to the need to do more. Rep. John McHugh, R-N.Y., said he is willing to look at new pay-and-benefits initiatives, although he personally believes that what the Pentagon needs is an increase in personnel to cut the workload on active and reserve service member.

Rep. Vic Snyder of Arkansas, the subcommittee's ranking Democrat, also vowed to help.

Recruitment is a challenge right now, Snyder said. Both the military and Congress are working on solutions, but I expect these challenges will be with us for some time. Military service is honorable and can be a real growing opportunity for a young man or woman.?

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[revolver]

Here's a theory on how to avoid the draft if they bring it back:

www.franklyspeakingradio.com/avoidthedraft.html

The trick is to not take the step forward when they ask you to. Stepping forward is the act of "volunteering" to serve. Of course they don't tell you that. Legally, compulsory service is unconstitutional because it would be involuntary servitude, which is banned by the 13th amendment. By tricking people into "volunteering", they avoid the constitutional issues.

[Mellow Yellow]

I guess I better jump down a manhole and light myself a candle .

[beatlies]

What happened to this media psy-ops plant bozo? Is he now in the occupation of Iraq?



Canibus Joins The U.S. Army


By Charlie Remsburg
Date: 5/24/2003 3:24 pm


Battle-ready rapper Canibus has decided to take his lyrical aggression to new heights, as he has become a soldier in the Armed forces of the United States of America.

Reps for the rapper confirmed he recently graduated from Ft. Knox, Tennessee's U.S. Military Academy and is currently a cavalry scout/ reconnaissance specialist in the army.

Apparently, the armed forces have weighed heavily on the rapper, who once rhymed about serving his country in his 2001 song “Draft Me,” from 'C' True Hollywood Stories.

In the song, Canibus furiously raps: Draft me, pass me, the M-16/ Give me a buzz cut, ask me if I give a f**k
I'm comin out blastin/ military four-fashion Twelve close castin, for weapons of mass-distraction/
Outlastin, all the privates in my company Fightin for my family, and the cats that grew up with me/ My Band of Brothers, rarely just smother the enemy/
Razor blades cut ya face and leave a scar so you remember me/ Lurkin, to leave y'all with bloody red turbans/ Screamin "Jihad!" while y'all pray to a false god…

In other news, the certified soldier has another album, Rip The Jacker, slated to drop July 22.

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Edit: okay, here's the official, very convenient for fascist CIAnabus, answer:

"In May of 2003, two months before his fifth album, Rip the Jacker, was released to rave reviews, he graduated from Fort Knox and began working as a reconnaissance specialist. In 2004, the authorities found Williams smoking marijuana and thereby discharged him."

[fourthousandholes]

What you'll do. What to expect.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVhrnSb5wY&NR

[Mellow Yellow]

4000 holes..... A warning for that video would have been nice.... Here I was minding my own business (eating a tuna fish sandwich) when *WHAM* a deformed baby flashes upon my screen.

*glances at sandwich*

[fourthousandholes]

Sorry. But think of all that mercury I saved you from.

[beatlies]

Pentagon struggles to find fresh troops


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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 07:11 AM
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Pentagon struggles to find fresh troops
Pentagon struggles to find fresh troops By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
26 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Military leaders are struggling to choose Army units to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan longer or go there earlier than planned, but five years of war have made fresh troops harder to find.

Faced with a military buildup in Iraq that could drag into next year, Pentagon officials are trying to identify enough units to keep up to 20 brigade combat teams in Iraq. A brigade usually has about 3,500 troops.

The likely result will be extending the deployments of brigades scheduled to come home at the end of the summer, and sending others earlier than scheduled.

Final decisions — which have not yet been made — would come as Congress is considering ways to force President Bush to wind down the war, despite his vow that he would veto such legislation.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/u...

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Did someone leave the door open? unhappycamper Mar-10-07 07:15 AM #1
That title is so sad; makes the troops sound so disposable. babylonsister Mar-10-07 07:33 AM #2
agree, but with this administration maddezmom Mar-10-07 07:34 AM #3
i know where .... C_U_L8R Mar-10-07 08:01 AM #4
"We volunteer to counter the family shame." - Barbara and Jenna Bush SpiralHawk Mar-10-07 08:12 AM #5
Pentagon Struggles to find Cannon Fodder-at least our youth are waking up fed-up Mar-10-07 09:06 AM #6
What a headline. No Surrender Mar-10-07 09:18 AM #7
They should send recruiters to Hershey, Pa. Canuckistanian Mar-10-07 09:57 AM #8
then they should end the war. the people have mopinko Mar-10-07 01:33 PM #9
Bush will be remembered as the greatest destroyer of the American military stonebone Mar-10-07 01:45 PM #10
unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 07:15 AM
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1. Did someone leave the door open?
It feels a bit drafty.
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 07:33 AM
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2. That title is so sad; makes the troops sound so disposable.

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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 07:34 AM
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3. agree, but with this administration
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 07:37 AM by maddezmom
it seems to be a fact
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 08:01 AM
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4. i know where ....
www.freerepublic.com - fresh meat ready for the grinder

and there's those super fresh Bush twins too, they're not doing anything useful... send them.
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 08:12 AM
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5. "We volunteer to counter the family shame." - Barbara and Jenna Bush
"Somebody has to compensate for dad, aka Commander AWOL and his shameful record of military desertion, and also for Grandpoppy, and his even more shameful record of having serving as banker to Hitler and the Nazis."

- Barbara and Jenna Bush

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fed-up (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 09:06 AM
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6. Pentagon Struggles to find Cannon Fodder-at least our youth are waking up
and paying attention to what they can expect from this administration if they sign up, have to head off to a civil war and/or get injured and need treatment.

Critical thinking is an important skill essential for survival in b*shworld. Our youth cannot make rational decisions regarding military service if they are not given adequate, accurate information on the true situations in Iraq and Afghanistan. They cannot make rational decisions regarding military service if they are not given an accurate picture of what kind of medical treatment they will receive and how long it will take to get that treatment if it is needed.

Thanks to all those that have helped to get the lies into the mainstream media that led up to this illegal, immoral war and to those that have exposed the crappy treatment given those soldiers that believed they were helping our country.



BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!


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No Surrender (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 09:18 AM
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7. What a headline.
Speaks volumes about the dire situation in Iraq.

I know of a "fresh troop" they found. He's a Reservist who is 40, and he's got a wife and two kids under 5. They sent him for sniper training before shipping him off to Baghdad. Stay safe, dude.
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 09:57 AM
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8. They should send recruiters to Hershey, Pa.
A lot of young people there now have some free time on their hands.
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-10-07 01:33 PM
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9. then they should end the war. the people have
"voted with their feet." as st ronnie said.
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stonebone (80 posts) Sat Mar-10-07 01:45 PM
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10. Bush will be remembered as the greatest destroyer of the American military

[beatlies]

Beatles Songs-Owner and Super-wealthy Child Rapist MICHAEL JACKSON Visits US Troops in Japan in Patriotic, Pro-War Morale Booster for the Soldier Cannon Fodder/War Criminals:

There's a link on this AP story site to VIDEO of Michael Jackson with the troops (with a starting Nissan car commercial)---someone please download and save this if you can.


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Michael Jackson greets troops in Japan 2 hours, 10 minutes ago



TOKYO - Michael Jackson greeted thousands of U.S. troops and their family members at a U.S. Army base south of Tokyo Saturday, taking a break from days of parties with die-hard fans and well-heeled business people.

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About 3,000 troops and their family members gathered at a fitness center at Camp Zama. Jackson walked around shaking hands and exchanging words to thank them for their service.

"Those of you in here today are some of the most special people in the world," Jackson told the crowd, reading from a statement. "It is because of you in here today, and others who so valiantly have given their lives to protect us, that we enjoy our freedom."

Jackson, 48, arrived in Japan last Sunday for his second trip in less than a year to attend parties including an extravagant gala held Thursday in Tokyo.

The reclusive pop icon was the guest of honor at the lavish party aimed at a well-heeled business crowd — though the roughly 400 people who showed up were mainly die-hard fans, and more than 100 orphans and handicapped children who were invited for free.

The paying guests each laid down $3,500 for tickets, which included a buffet dinner, a show featuring several Japanese Michael Jackson impersonators and a chance to meet, greet and take photos with Jackson.

On Friday, he made an appearance at another party for his less affluent fans. More than 1,000 people crowded a popular night club.

He did not perform at either party.

Jackson, one of the best-selling artists of all time, has lived abroad since his 2005 acquittal on child molestation charges, forsaking his Neverland Ranch in California for residences in Bahrain, France, and a castle in Ireland.

Jackson will spend another three or four days in Tokyo.


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beatlies said:

Beatles Songs-Owner and Super-wealthy Child Rapist MICHAEL JACKSON Visits US Troops in Japan in Patriotic, Pro-War Morale Booster for the Soldier Cannon Fodder/War Criminals:

There's a link on this AP story site to VIDEO of Michael Jackson with the troops (with a starting Nissan car commercial)---someone please download and save this if you can.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Michael Jackson greets troops in Japan 2 hours, 10 minutes ago



TOKYO - Michael Jackson greeted thousands of U.S. troops and their family members at a U.S. Army base south of Tokyo Saturday, taking a break from days of parties with die-hard fans and well-heeled business people.

ADVERTISEMENT

About 3,000 troops and their family members gathered at a fitness center at Camp Zama. Jackson walked around shaking hands and exchanging words to thank them for their service.

"Those of you in here today are some of the most special people in the world," Jackson told the crowd, reading from a statement. "It is because of you in here today, and others who so valiantly have given their lives to protect us, that we enjoy our freedom."

Jackson, 48, arrived in Japan last Sunday for his second trip in less than a year to attend parties including an extravagant gala held Thursday in Tokyo.

The reclusive pop icon was the guest of honor at the lavish party aimed at a well-heeled business crowd — though the roughly 400 people who showed up were mainly die-hard fans, and more than 100 orphans and handicapped children who were invited for free.

The paying guests each laid down $3,500 for tickets, which included a buffet dinner, a show featuring several Japanese Michael Jackson impersonators and a chance to meet, greet and take photos with Jackson.

On Friday, he made an appearance at another party for his less affluent fans. More than 1,000 people crowded a popular night club.

He did not perform at either party.

Jackson, one of the best-selling artists of all time, has lived abroad since his 2005 acquittal on child molestation charges, forsaking his Neverland Ranch in California for residences in Bahrain, France, and a castle in Ireland.

Jackson will spend another three or four days in Tokyo.


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Community Service? The world community?

[CoconutFudge]

First of all, Latvietis, I LOVE your signature!

Secondly, the prospect of being drafted terrifies me. I'm hoping (perhaps relatively against the realist within me) that the 2008 pullout plan goes off without a hitch... but nothing ever does, does it?